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Moderated strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
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Gene Warner
I got a response from Freedom Scientific about the installer voice. They said that because the installer voice was actual recordings taking them out reduced the size of the installer significantly. There was also the logistics involved in recording the messages in all the languages they supported.
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Both reasons, installer size and the availability of Narrator, as reasons for taking the installer voice out make sense. Gene... On 7/28/2022 10:12 AM, Mike Pietruk wrote:
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Gene Warner
I guess I don't understand, if it didn't matter to you, why even bother to chime into the conversation?
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Gene... On 7/28/2022 10:51 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I said so what because it doesn't matter to me that the self-voicing feature has been removed. |
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Michael Massey
No, I said so what because it doesn't matter to me that the self-voicing feature has been removed.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:40 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?' Gene... On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote: No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further. |
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Gene Warner
You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'
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Gene... On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further. |
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Michael Massey
No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems? I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update. Do you have a problem with that? Gene... On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote: Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update. |
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Gene Warner
It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems? I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.
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Do you have a problem with that? Gene... On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update. |
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Michael Massey
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
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I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws. Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer. Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the self voicing feature has been removed. So what? -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates Gene To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not. Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the program itself. It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would have been aware. And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated. |
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Gene Warner
Those are good points. An audio clip could have been played at the beginning of the installer when no screen reader is detected telling the user that the installer's self voiced capability has been removed. For me though, the first thing I do when I get notified of an update is to go to Freedom Scientific's web site, then go to the what's new in JAWS page to see what enhancements or fixes are in the new update, then after I've read that, I continue with the update. So I do not believe that Freedom Scientific ever bothered to tell anybody that the installer is no longer self voiced.
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Gene... On 7/28/2022 10:12 AM, Mike Pietruk wrote:
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To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not. Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the program itself. It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would have been aware. And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated. |
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Gene Warner
Even though I use the semi automatic update, I always go to the Freedom Scientific web site and download the full offline installer just in case I need to do a repair.
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Gene... On 7/28/2022 8:53 AM, David Ingram wrote:
Here's what i had to do i had to go to freedomscientific.com and download the latest version of jaws. |
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David Ingram
Here's what i had to do i had to go to freedomscientific.com and download the latest version of jaws. -----Original Message-----
From: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Jul 28, 2022 7:48 AM To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates  And, while using an alternate screen reader such as Narrator solves the problem, it catches everyone off guard and, as this thread illustrates, confuses experienced as well as novice JAWS users a plenty. Not a good design choice on Vispero's part.        |
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Gene Warner
Yeah, unless I missed it, I don't think that they ever announced the change, it could have avoided the confusion or mistaking it for a technical issue.
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Gene... On 7/28/2022 8:48 AM, Mike Pietruk wrote:
And, while using an alternate screen reader such as Narrator solves the |
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Mike Pietruk
And, while using an alternate screen reader such as Narrator solves the
problem, it catches everyone off guard and, as this thread illustrates, confuses experienced as well as novice JAWS users a plenty. Not a good design choice on Vispero's part. |
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Gene Warner
You are right, that is easy, what isn't easy is that I keep forgetting Narrator. :-(
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Gene... On 7/27/2022 4:16 PM, Curtis Chong wrote:
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Andrew Summers
That is OK if you are a long time user of computers and not a new user!
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong Sent: 27 July 2022 21:16 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates Hello: The controversy arises when a person wants to have JAWS turned off during the update or installation. JAWS used to have a self-voicing installer which appears no longer to be present today. Worst case scenario, turn off JAWS, turn on Narrator, run the update. Easy peasy. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 2:08 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates I'm confused. I just installed the new update. Throughout, I tracked the steps and progress as JAWS verbalized them. What exactly is the controversy? -- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/ -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 3:47 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates Hi, Gene. I believe Freedom Scientific intentionally removed the self voicing installer from JAWS, because now, Narrator can be used to monitor the install. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:39 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates I just did the update and sent Freedom Scientific tech support a message, ever since the beginning of the year, or somewhere around there, the installer's self voicing feature hasn't worked. I prefer to exit JAWS once the installer starts, I find that there are fewer possibilities for trouble that way. Gene... On 7/27/2022 3:17 PM, Michael Massey wrote: Hi, Curtis. If it weren't for your message and Molly's message, I would not have known about a new update. I am going to install the update on my desktop and then I am going to use the help utility and check for the update on my laptop. Molly needed to check the box to download the update and go from there. I will also listen to the podcast featuring Eric Damery. |
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molly the blind tech lover
Thanks everyone. I downloaded the update via Freedom Scientific's website.
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On 7/27/22, Michael Massey <massey52@...> wrote:
Hi, Curtis. If it weren't for your message and Molly's message, I would not |
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Gene Warner
No controversy, in the past the JAWS installer was self voiced, it did not need a screen reader running to have a voice.
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Gene... On 7/27/2022 4:08 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
I'm confused. I just installed the new update. Throughout, I tracked the steps and progress as JAWS verbalized them. |
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Gene Warner
Hmmm... I guess that's kind of in line with them dropping support for Windows 7, 8, and 8.1, which all had very anemic version of Narrator.
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Gene... On 7/27/2022 3:46 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. I believe Freedom Scientific intentionally removed the self voicing installer from JAWS, because now, Narrator can be used to monitor the install. |
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Curtis Chong
Hello:
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The controversy arises when a person wants to have JAWS turned off during the update or installation. JAWS used to have a self-voicing installer which appears no longer to be present today. Worst case scenario, turn off JAWS, turn on Narrator, run the update. Easy peasy. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 2:08 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates I'm confused. I just installed the new update. Throughout, I tracked the steps and progress as JAWS verbalized them. What exactly is the controversy? -- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/ -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 3:47 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates Hi, Gene. I believe Freedom Scientific intentionally removed the self voicing installer from JAWS, because now, Narrator can be used to monitor the install. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:39 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates I just did the update and sent Freedom Scientific tech support a message, ever since the beginning of the year, or somewhere around there, the installer's self voicing feature hasn't worked. I prefer to exit JAWS once the installer starts, I find that there are fewer possibilities for trouble that way. Gene... On 7/27/2022 3:17 PM, Michael Massey wrote: Hi, Curtis. If it weren't for your message and Molly's message, I would not have known about a new update. I am going to install the update on my desktop and then I am going to use the help utility and check for the update on my laptop. Molly needed to check the box to download the update and go from there. I will also listen to the podcast featuring Eric Damery. |
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Adrian Spratt
I'm confused. I just installed the new update. Throughout, I tracked the steps and progress as JAWS verbalized them.
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What exactly is the controversy? -- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/ -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 3:47 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates Hi, Gene. I believe Freedom Scientific intentionally removed the self voicing installer from JAWS, because now, Narrator can be used to monitor the install. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:39 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates I just did the update and sent Freedom Scientific tech support a message, ever since the beginning of the year, or somewhere around there, the installer's self voicing feature hasn't worked. I prefer to exit JAWS once the installer starts, I find that there are fewer possibilities for trouble that way. Gene... On 7/27/2022 3:17 PM, Michael Massey wrote: Hi, Curtis. If it weren't for your message and Molly's message, I would not have known about a new update. I am going to install the update on my desktop and then I am going to use the help utility and check for the update on my laptop. Molly needed to check the box to download the update and go from there. I will also listen to the podcast featuring Eric Damery. |
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