moderated Firefox?


Gene Warner
 

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks. The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...


Curtis Chong
 

I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being number 2.

On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks. The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...


K0LNY
 

Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an account
for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being number
2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I tried
Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it be worth
looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other browser
developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks. The beauty of
Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your favorite file manager
to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...


Gene Warner
 

Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it was all those years ago.

Gene...

On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an account
for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?
I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being number
2.
On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:
OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I tried
Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it be worth
looking at again?
One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other browser
developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks. The beauty of
Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your favorite file manager
to manage your bookmarks.
Gene...


K0LNY
 

Get Firefox ESR, it never breaks accessibility.
I think mine is ESR 91.11.0ESR 32 bit, which is fine for a 64 bit system.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as
bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of
giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it
was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an account
for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being number
2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I tried
Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it be worth
looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser
developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks. The beauty
of
Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your favorite file
manager
to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...















Gene Warner
 

I have decided to try Firefox again, only I'm going to start with version 101 to avoid the context menu problem version 102 has. Now I have a question, there seem to be three different version for Windows 64:

win64-EME-free
win64-aarch64
win64

What are those first two?

Thanks!
Gene...

On 7/3/2022 1:49 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Get Firefox ESR, it never breaks accessibility.
I think mine is ESR 91.11.0ESR 32 bit, which is fine for a 64 bit system.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?
Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as
bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of
giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it
was all those years ago.
Gene...
On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an account
for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being number
2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I tried
Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it be worth
looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser
developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks. The beauty
of
Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your favorite file
manager
to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...















K0LNY
 

Never heard of those, I prefer win 32 ESR.
I don't know of a benefit of running a 64 bit version, even on a 64 bit
system.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I have decided to try Firefox again, only I'm going to start with
version 101 to avoid the context menu problem version 102 has. Now I
have a question, there seem to be three different version for Windows 64:

win64-EME-free
win64-aarch64
win64

What are those first two?

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:49 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Get Firefox ESR, it never breaks accessibility.
I think mine is ESR 91.11.0ESR 32 bit, which is fine for a 64 bit system.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as
bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of
giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it
was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account
for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number
2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I tried
Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it be worth
looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser
developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks. The beauty
of
Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your favorite file
manager
to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...























Rick Mladek
 

Gene,

Firefox is easily the most simple to learn of all the browsers. This is open source so updates or fixes are regular. The favorites are your bookmarks, very to save a website and to then go find your library of saved or bookmarked sites. However, the management of the bookmarks is not there and if you save many sites, you would simply start at the top which is the site you had saved longest back and go down to the most recent. Also, the problem is if you accidently hit the delete key while any specific site may be highlighted within your library, it is gone. Simple but not enough for management or categorizing the sites and needing some sort of confirmation to delete in case of user mistake. Other than that, the browser and JFW have their issues together where the find command is sometimes an issue but all and all, I prefer this browser over the others.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 1:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number 2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I
tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it
be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks.
The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your
favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...















JM Casey
 

Besides, the way Chromium is built, even with the more independent browsers (iE not related to google), therea re privacy concerns. Makers of ad blockers and privacy extensions are warning that soon much of this stuff may not be able to work properly (I have seen a youtube video about thisa nd also talked to a software developer frienda bout it).
So although I was startign to lean more heavily on Chrome, my inclination is to stick with firefox as mucha s possible -- especially as they have recently made privacy a more serious consideration and introduced total cookie isolation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: July 3, 2022 07:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Gene,

Firefox is easily the most simple to learn of all the browsers. This is open source so updates or fixes are regular. The favorites are your bookmarks, very to save a website and to then go find your library of saved or bookmarked sites. However, the management of the bookmarks is not there and if you save many sites, you would simply start at the top which is the site you had saved longest back and go down to the most recent. Also, the problem is if you accidently hit the delete key while any specific site may be highlighted within your library, it is gone. Simple but not enough for management or categorizing the sites and needing some sort of confirmation to delete in case of user mistake. Other than that, the browser and JFW have their issues together where the find command is sometimes an issue but all and all, I prefer this browser over the others.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 1:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number 2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I
tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it
be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks.
The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your
favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...















JM Casey
 

Don't know many tdetails but...
Eme-free = drm free. So basically, if you want to use firefox to do stuff like view proprietary streaming content (say, netflix), don’t' get this.
Arch64 = for arm...basically crippled versions of Windows. Don't get this.
Just go for regular 64 bit firefox.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 3, 2022 02:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

I have decided to try Firefox again, only I'm going to start with version 101 to avoid the context menu problem version 102 has. Now I have a question, there seem to be three different version for Windows 64:

win64-EME-free
win64-aarch64
win64

What are those first two?

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:49 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Get Firefox ESR, it never breaks accessibility.
I think mine is ESR 91.11.0ESR 32 bit, which is fine for a 64 bit system.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just
as bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am
thinking of giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less
confusing than it was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number 2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I
tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it
be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks.
The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your
favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...























JM Casey
 

Of course. Always good to have many browsers and currently Firefox is kind of standing alone and is an exempler in a way of how the web ought to be (but largely isn't).
I don't have an issue with bookmarks. I know firefox stores them somewhere; can't recall where at the moment, but I think it is pretty easy to export them to an html file if you find that easier, it's not a thing I play with very often.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 2, 2022 06:53 PM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Firefox?

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks.
The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...


Justin Williams
 

The favorite thing is why I still use internet xplorer.

I don't understand why the chrome firefox and other brosers messed that up so badly.

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Besides, the way Chromium is built, even with the more independent browsers (iE not related to google), therea re privacy concerns. Makers of ad blockers and privacy extensions are warning that soon much of this stuff may not be able to work properly (I have seen a youtube video about thisa nd also talked to a software developer frienda bout it).
So although I was startign to lean more heavily on Chrome, my inclination is to stick with firefox as mucha s possible -- especially as they have recently made privacy a more serious consideration and introduced total cookie isolation.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: July 3, 2022 07:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Gene,

Firefox is easily the most simple to learn of all the browsers. This is open source so updates or fixes are regular. The favorites are your bookmarks, very to save a website and to then go find your library of saved or bookmarked sites. However, the management of the bookmarks is not there and if you save many sites, you would simply start at the top which is the site you had saved longest back and go down to the most recent. Also, the problem is if you accidently hit the delete key while any specific site may be highlighted within your library, it is gone. Simple but not enough for management or categorizing the sites and needing some sort of confirmation to delete in case of user mistake. Other than that, the browser and JFW have their issues together where the find command is sometimes an issue but all and all, I prefer this browser over the others.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 1:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number 2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I
tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it
be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks.
The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your
favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...















Gene Warner
 

Thank you for that explanation.

Gene...

On 7/3/2022 10:17 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Don't know many tdetails but...
Eme-free = drm free. So basically, if you want to use firefox to do stuff like view proprietary streaming content (say, netflix), don’t' get this.
Arch64 = for arm...basically crippled versions of Windows. Don't get this.
Just go for regular 64 bit firefox.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 3, 2022 02:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?
I have decided to try Firefox again, only I'm going to start with version 101 to avoid the context menu problem version 102 has. Now I have a question, there seem to be three different version for Windows 64:
win64-EME-free
win64-aarch64
win64
What are those first two?
Thanks!
Gene...
On 7/3/2022 1:49 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Get Firefox ESR, it never breaks accessibility.
I think mine is ESR 91.11.0ESR 32 bit, which is fine for a 64 bit system.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just
as bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am
thinking of giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less
confusing than it was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number 2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I
tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it
be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks.
The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your
favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...























Gene Warner
 

To each his or her own. If you want to run 32 bit software on your 64 bit system, that's great, and that's your choice. My choice is to run 64 bit software whenever it is available, so please allow me my choice while I allow you yours.

Gene...

On 7/3/2022 2:24 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Never heard of those, I prefer win 32 ESR.
I don't know of a benefit of running a 64 bit version, even on a 64 bit
system.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?
I have decided to try Firefox again, only I'm going to start with
version 101 to avoid the context menu problem version 102 has. Now I
have a question, there seem to be three different version for Windows 64:
win64-EME-free
win64-aarch64
win64
What are those first two?
Thanks!
Gene...
On 7/3/2022 1:49 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Get Firefox ESR, it never breaks accessibility.
I think mine is ESR 91.11.0ESR 32 bit, which is fine for a 64 bit system.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as
bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of
giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it
was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account
for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number
2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I tried
Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it be worth
looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser
developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks. The beauty
of
Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your favorite file
manager
to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...























JM Casey
 

I haven't tested to confirm this, but it is possible that, as in something like MS Word, the 64 bit version has an easier time loading very large pages quickly. This is something that I have occasionally complaineda bout with Firefox in the past, though it may also be related to JAWS specifically -- it takes a while for very long pages to all appear in the virtual buffer. Not positive but I *feel* this has improved in later versions of Firefox. But I don't have the resources to make test comparisons. Anyway, I do use 64-bit software when I can, since there doesn't seem to be any reason I can think of *not* to take advantage of this architecture.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 3, 2022 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

To each his or her own. If you want to run 32 bit software on your 64 bit system, that's great, and that's your choice. My choice is to run 64 bit software whenever it is available, so please allow me my choice while I allow you yours.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 2:24 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Never heard of those, I prefer win 32 ESR.
I don't know of a benefit of running a 64 bit version, even on a 64
bit system.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I have decided to try Firefox again, only I'm going to start with
version 101 to avoid the context menu problem version 102 has. Now I
have a question, there seem to be three different version for Windows 64:

win64-EME-free
win64-aarch64
win64

What are those first two?

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:49 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Get Firefox ESR, it never breaks accessibility.
I think mine is ESR 91.11.0ESR 32 bit, which is fine for a 64 bit system.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just
as bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am
thinking of giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less
confusing than it was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number 2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I
tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would
it be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or
bookmarks. The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could
just use your favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...































JM Casey
 

It's a little different. But was iE's favourites really 8that* much better? I used iE back in the day too but didn't really have any qualms about leaving it behind. Ah well, sometimes I have my old preferences that I like to stick to as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: July 3, 2022 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

The favorite thing is why I still use internet xplorer.

I don't understand why the chrome firefox and other brosers messed that up so badly.

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Besides, the way Chromium is built, even with the more independent browsers (iE not related to google), therea re privacy concerns. Makers of ad blockers and privacy extensions are warning that soon much of this stuff may not be able to work properly (I have seen a youtube video about thisa nd also talked to a software developer frienda bout it).
So although I was startign to lean more heavily on Chrome, my inclination is to stick with firefox as mucha s possible -- especially as they have recently made privacy a more serious consideration and introduced total cookie isolation.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: July 3, 2022 07:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Gene,

Firefox is easily the most simple to learn of all the browsers. This is open source so updates or fixes are regular. The favorites are your bookmarks, very to save a website and to then go find your library of saved or bookmarked sites. However, the management of the bookmarks is not there and if you save many sites, you would simply start at the top which is the site you had saved longest back and go down to the most recent. Also, the problem is if you accidently hit the delete key while any specific site may be highlighted within your library, it is gone. Simple but not enough for management or categorizing the sites and needing some sort of confirmation to delete in case of user mistake. Other than that, the browser and JFW have their issues together where the find command is sometimes an issue but all and all, I prefer this browser over the others.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 1:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number 2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I
tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it
be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks.
The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your
favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...















Gene Warner
 

Something I'd like to see some smart cookie do, write an extension for these other browsers that replaces or supplements the existing bookmarks system with Microsoft's way of doing it with shortcut or .lnk files and folders.

Gene...

On 7/3/2022 12:46 PM, JM Casey wrote:
It's a little different. But was iE's favourites really 8that* much better? I used iE back in the day too but didn't really have any qualms about leaving it behind. Ah well, sometimes I have my old preferences that I like to stick to as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: July 3, 2022 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?
The favorite thing is why I still use internet xplorer.
I don't understand why the chrome firefox and other brosers messed that up so badly.
Justin
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?
Besides, the way Chromium is built, even with the more independent browsers (iE not related to google), therea re privacy concerns. Makers of ad blockers and privacy extensions are warning that soon much of this stuff may not be able to work properly (I have seen a youtube video about thisa nd also talked to a software developer frienda bout it).
So although I was startign to lean more heavily on Chrome, my inclination is to stick with firefox as mucha s possible -- especially as they have recently made privacy a more serious consideration and introduced total cookie isolation.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: July 3, 2022 07:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?
Gene,
Firefox is easily the most simple to learn of all the browsers. This is open source so updates or fixes are regular. The favorites are your bookmarks, very to save a website and to then go find your library of saved or bookmarked sites. However, the management of the bookmarks is not there and if you save many sites, you would simply start at the top which is the site you had saved longest back and go down to the most recent. Also, the problem is if you accidently hit the delete key while any specific site may be highlighted within your library, it is gone. Simple but not enough for management or categorizing the sites and needing some sort of confirmation to delete in case of user mistake. Other than that, the browser and JFW have their issues together where the find command is sometimes an issue but all and all, I prefer this browser over the others.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 1:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?
Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it was all those years ago.
Gene...
On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number 2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I
tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it
be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks.
The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your
favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...















Curtis Chong
 

Greetings:

I just avoid this question entirely by creating my own folder of shortcuts. That way, I can use any browser, and my shortcuts work.

Curtis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Something I'd like to see some smart cookie do, write an extension for
these other browsers that replaces or supplements the existing bookmarks
system with Microsoft's way of doing it with shortcut or .lnk files and
folders.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 12:46 PM, JM Casey wrote:
It's a little different. But was iE's favourites really 8that* much better? I used iE back in the day too but didn't really have any qualms about leaving it behind. Ah well, sometimes I have my old preferences that I like to stick to as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: July 3, 2022 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

The favorite thing is why I still use internet xplorer.

I don't understand why the chrome firefox and other brosers messed that up so badly.

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Besides, the way Chromium is built, even with the more independent browsers (iE not related to google), therea re privacy concerns. Makers of ad blockers and privacy extensions are warning that soon much of this stuff may not be able to work properly (I have seen a youtube video about thisa nd also talked to a software developer frienda bout it).
So although I was startign to lean more heavily on Chrome, my inclination is to stick with firefox as mucha s possible -- especially as they have recently made privacy a more serious consideration and introduced total cookie isolation.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: July 3, 2022 07:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Gene,

Firefox is easily the most simple to learn of all the browsers. This is open source so updates or fixes are regular. The favorites are your bookmarks, very to save a website and to then go find your library of saved or bookmarked sites. However, the management of the bookmarks is not there and if you save many sites, you would simply start at the top which is the site you had saved longest back and go down to the most recent. Also, the problem is if you accidently hit the delete key while any specific site may be highlighted within your library, it is gone. Simple but not enough for management or categorizing the sites and needing some sort of confirmation to delete in case of user mistake. Other than that, the browser and JFW have their issues together where the find command is sometimes an issue but all and all, I prefer this browser over the others.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 1:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number 2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I
tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it
be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks.
The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your
favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...








































JM Casey
 

Smart idea.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: July 3, 2022 01:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Greetings:

I just avoid this question entirely by creating my own folder of shortcuts. That way, I can use any browser, and my shortcuts work.

Curtis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Something I'd like to see some smart cookie do, write an extension for these other browsers that replaces or supplements the existing bookmarks system with Microsoft's way of doing it with shortcut or .lnk files and folders.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 12:46 PM, JM Casey wrote:
It's a little different. But was iE's favourites really 8that* much better? I used iE back in the day too but didn't really have any qualms about leaving it behind. Ah well, sometimes I have my old preferences that I like to stick to as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin
Williams
Sent: July 3, 2022 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

The favorite thing is why I still use internet xplorer.

I don't understand why the chrome firefox and other brosers messed that up so badly.

Justin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM
Casey
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Besides, the way Chromium is built, even with the more independent browsers (iE not related to google), therea re privacy concerns. Makers of ad blockers and privacy extensions are warning that soon much of this stuff may not be able to work properly (I have seen a youtube video about thisa nd also talked to a software developer frienda bout it).
So although I was startign to lean more heavily on Chrome, my inclination is to stick with firefox as mucha s possible -- especially as they have recently made privacy a more serious consideration and introduced total cookie isolation.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: July 3, 2022 07:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Gene,

Firefox is easily the most simple to learn of all the browsers. This is open source so updates or fixes are regular. The favorites are your bookmarks, very to save a website and to then go find your library of saved or bookmarked sites. However, the management of the bookmarks is not there and if you save many sites, you would simply start at the top which is the site you had saved longest back and go down to the most recent. Also, the problem is if you accidently hit the delete key while any specific site may be highlighted within your library, it is gone. Simple but not enough for management or categorizing the sites and needing some sort of confirmation to delete in case of user mistake. Other than that, the browser and JFW have their issues together where the find command is sometimes an issue but all and all, I prefer this browser over the others.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 1:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it was all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number 2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I
tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it
be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks.
The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your
favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...








































K0LNY
 

In the bookmarks, they are saved with your file explorer settings, by date
or name.
You can jump by letter, like in a folder.
You just right arrow into bookmarks toolbar, and if I want the latest
bookmarks, I just up arrow to the bottom of the list, because I sort my
folders so the latest file is at the bottom.
Also, if you have a bookmark, you don't even have to open the bookmarks, you
can simply do control L and type in a few of the first letters of the URL
and press enter and hit enter and the browser goes there.
HTH.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Mladek" <hmladek@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


Gene,

Firefox is easily the most simple to learn of all the browsers. This is open
source so updates or fixes are regular. The favorites are your bookmarks,
very to save a website and to then go find your library of saved or
bookmarked sites. However, the management of the bookmarks is not there and
if you save many sites, you would simply start at the top which is the site
you had saved longest back and go down to the most recent. Also, the problem
is if you accidently hit the delete key while any specific site may be
highlighted within your library, it is gone. Simple but not enough for
management or categorizing the sites and needing some sort of confirmation
to delete in case of user mistake. Other than that, the browser and JFW have
their issues together where the find command is sometimes an issue but all
and all, I prefer this browser over the others.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 1:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox?

Yeah, but I just ignore all of that. I understand that Chrome is just as
bad, only it's Google instead of Microsoft. That is why I am thinking of
giving Firefox another look to see if it is any less confusing than it was
all those years ago.

Gene...


On 7/3/2022 1:41 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Edge is too invasive in my opinion, with constantly pushing for an
account for profile, which is just more tracking by MS.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2022 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Firefox?


I personally prefer Chrome. Firefox is third on my list, Edge being
number 2.



On Jul 2, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

OK all you Firefox users, it was seven or eight years ago when I
tried Firefox. Other than this current accessibility hiccup, would it
be worth looking at again?

One of the things that Internet Explorer did that I wish these other
browser developers would do is how it handled favorites or bookmarks.
The beauty of Microsoft's approach was that you could just use your
favorite file manager to manage your bookmarks.

Gene...