moderated more about another jfw list discussion list


Ken Chernack
 

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
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           ~ André Gide


Gerald Levy
 


The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.


Gerald



On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


Ryan Bondroff <deafblindadvocate@...>
 

Hi,

 

Ryan here.

I use JAWS with windows 10  so what is the  subscription link to join into this listserv?

 

Thanks,

 

eom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 2:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

 

The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

If you had followed the thread you are replying to by reading down through the messages, about 4 messages in you would fine:

“The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

HTH,   

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ryan Bondroff
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

Hi,

 

Ryan here.

I use JAWS with windows 10  so what is the  subscription link to join into this listserv?

 

Thanks,

 

eom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 2:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

 

The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
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           ~ André Gide

 


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Shan Noyes
 

Hi:

 

I also would like to know about the other jfw users list.  I’m happy to hear that the discussion stays on jaws issues more closely.

 

This group list has been pretty good. Some excellent info.  However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Because my approach is there is no dumb questions.  Besides who knows, maybe sure the answer is out on the net, but it was written by a either non jaws user or a sighted person who does use jaws a bit, but also has their screen on.

 

Note: Eric Danbery from Freedom Scientific is fully sighted, but he uses Jaws with his screen turned off to ensure that he is experiencing exactly what Jaws users who can not see the screen are experiencing.

 

It becomes very  important when one has to deal with complicated screen layouts.  Can a person who doesn’t see the screen easily get the information they need or not.

 

So I’ll also go check out the other list.  This list is also pretty good here, but please please everyone remember we are here to support each other.  Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….

 

Because the benefit of asking questions of people who use the speech program i.e. Jaws is that sometimes you will get special gems of short cuts etc from them.

 

Have a good day everyone.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

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The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
--

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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

NOTICE: This confidential e-mail message is only for the intended recipients. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that disclosing, copying, distributing, or any other use of this message, is strictly prohibited. In such case, please destroy this message and notify the sender.


 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:06 PM, Shan Noyes wrote:
Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….
-
In your opinion, which is not shared by many.

You ought to have done a search of the group archives, too.
 
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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


David Diamond
 

However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Shan, hope I spelled that correctly, JAWS does not go over your email address letter by letter.  Or, if it does I don’t know how to enable it.  What you describe at the top of this message is arrogance on the person making that comment.  It is talking down to someone. I don’t know if it was me or Google, however, I did a Google search for something and the info I was given was way off base. Thus I would prefer someone do the search for me. If they said, “Well if you did a google search you would of found out….” I ask someone else.       

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: May 17, 2021 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

Hi:

 

I also would like to know about the other jfw users list.  I’m happy to hear that the discussion stays on jaws issues more closely.

 

This group list has been pretty good. Some excellent info.  However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Because my approach is there is no dumb questions.  Besides who knows, maybe sure the answer is out on the net, but it was written by a either non jaws user or a sighted person who does use jaws a bit, but also has their screen on.

 

Note: Eric Danbery from Freedom Scientific is fully sighted, but he uses Jaws with his screen turned off to ensure that he is experiencing exactly what Jaws users who can not see the screen are experiencing.

 

It becomes very  important when one has to deal with complicated screen layouts.  Can a person who doesn’t see the screen easily get the information they need or not.

 

So I’ll also go check out the other list.  This list is also pretty good here, but please please everyone remember we are here to support each other.  Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….

 

Because the benefit of asking questions of people who use the speech program i.e. Jaws is that sometimes you will get special gems of short cuts etc from them.

 

Have a good day everyone.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

-------------------------------------------------------------
WARNING, this email originated from outside of SaskTel.
Do not click links or open attachments unless you trust the sender and believe the contents are safe.
--------------------------------------------------------------

 

The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
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           ~ André Gide

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David Diamond
 

Moderation is subjective at best, some moderate their groups to death and others let everything go. Somewhat like the proverbial Nero fiddling while Rome burned.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: May 17, 2021 2:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

 

The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


Tyler Wood
 

The internet is a vast and enormous place. It’s high time in 2021 we started using the resources available to us to search for information.

This isn’t preaching, this should be common practice. Ignorance in doing ones own google search at this juncture is simply astounding to me. If a google search does not yield the results, then perhaps a post is warranted. I rarely see ‘I did a google search or searched the archives’ for common questions.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:06 PM, Shan Noyes wrote:

Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….

-
In your opinion, which is not shared by many.

You ought to have done a search of the group archives, too.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


Larry Wayland
 

That is the absolute truth!

Why do we even have these forms if every time someone ask a question they are told to go search on the internet?

Maybe some people like the contact with other people.  Nothing wrong with that. There is one person on here, and he is either on or has been on other forms who can’t answer a question without belittling everyone.  Too bad too because he is very knowledgeable.  Why not just answer the question and go on and don’t worry about all the other stuff. 

Larry

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Shan, hope I spelled that correctly, JAWS does not go over your email address letter by letter.  Or, if it does I don’t know how to enable it.  What you describe at the top of this message is arrogance on the person making that comment.  It is talking down to someone. I don’t know if it was me or Google, however, I did a Google search for something and the info I was given was way off base. Thus I would prefer someone do the search for me. If they said, “Well if you did a google search you would of found out….” I ask someone else.       

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: May 17, 2021 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

Hi:

 

I also would like to know about the other jfw users list.  I’m happy to hear that the discussion stays on jaws issues more closely.

 

This group list has been pretty good. Some excellent info.  However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Because my approach is there is no dumb questions.  Besides who knows, maybe sure the answer is out on the net, but it was written by a either non jaws user or a sighted person who does use jaws a bit, but also has their screen on.

 

Note: Eric Danbery from Freedom Scientific is fully sighted, but he uses Jaws with his screen turned off to ensure that he is experiencing exactly what Jaws users who can not see the screen are experiencing.

 

It becomes very  important when one has to deal with complicated screen layouts.  Can a person who doesn’t see the screen easily get the information they need or not.

 

So I’ll also go check out the other list.  This list is also pretty good here, but please please everyone remember we are here to support each other.  Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….

 

Because the benefit of asking questions of people who use the speech program i.e. Jaws is that sometimes you will get special gems of short cuts etc from them.

 

Have a good day everyone.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

-------------------------------------------------------------
WARNING, this email originated from outside of SaskTel.
Do not click links or open attachments unless you trust the sender and believe the contents are safe.
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The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
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Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

These forums are for asking questions, but it is not too much to ask for people to at least read the messages which are already there. As Richard pointed out, the name of the list and the subscribe address were already provided, some people just can't be bothered to spend even a few minutes reading the messages from a particular topic/thread before asking again.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

That is the absolute truth!

Why do we even have these forms if every time someone ask a question they are told to go search on the internet?

Maybe some people like the contact with other people.  Nothing wrong with that. There is one person on here, and he is either on or has been on other forms who can’t answer a question without belittling everyone.  Too bad too because he is very knowledgeable.  Why not just answer the question and go on and don’t worry about all the other stuff. 

Larry

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Shan, hope I spelled that correctly, JAWS does not go over your email address letter by letter.  Or, if it does I don’t know how to enable it.  What you describe at the top of this message is arrogance on the person making that comment.  It is talking down to someone. I don’t know if it was me or Google, however, I did a Google search for something and the info I was given was way off base. Thus I would prefer someone do the search for me. If they said, “Well if you did a google search you would of found out….” I ask someone else.       

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: May 17, 2021 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

Hi:

 

I also would like to know about the other jfw users list.  I’m happy to hear that the discussion stays on jaws issues more closely.

 

This group list has been pretty good. Some excellent info.  However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Because my approach is there is no dumb questions.  Besides who knows, maybe sure the answer is out on the net, but it was written by a either non jaws user or a sighted person who does use jaws a bit, but also has their screen on.

 

Note: Eric Danbery from Freedom Scientific is fully sighted, but he uses Jaws with his screen turned off to ensure that he is experiencing exactly what Jaws users who can not see the screen are experiencing.

 

It becomes very  important when one has to deal with complicated screen layouts.  Can a person who doesn’t see the screen easily get the information they need or not.

 

So I’ll also go check out the other list.  This list is also pretty good here, but please please everyone remember we are here to support each other.  Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….

 

Because the benefit of asking questions of people who use the speech program i.e. Jaws is that sometimes you will get special gems of short cuts etc from them.

 

Have a good day everyone.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

-------------------------------------------------------------
WARNING, this email originated from outside of SaskTel.
Do not click links or open attachments unless you trust the sender and believe the contents are safe.
--------------------------------------------------------------

 

The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
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           ~ André Gide

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On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
These forums are for asking questions
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And they're for asking questions where it is genuinely difficult to find a quick and easy answer.  And I cannot, for the life of me, understand why that is not taken as a given.  If I can find an answer in almost no time without bothering anyone else to get it that's what I do.  It's common courtesy.

And amen to having the common courtesy to read through all messages for a give topic before even thinking of putting out a response of any kind.  The amount of repetition would decrease dramatically, and would benefit all.
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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


David Diamond
 

Tyler, I entirely agree.  Let’s just do away with all groups and list and just look everything up on the internet where anyone and their dog can post their dogma. Your blind?  What’s a matter with you, why cannot you understand to just click the yellow X at the top of the screen, or click on this. I made this video for all to understand how … works. Said with tong firmly planted in my cheek.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: May 17, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

The internet is a vast and enormous place. It’s high time in 2021 we started using the resources available to us to search for information.

This isn’t preaching, this should be common practice. Ignorance in doing ones own google search at this juncture is simply astounding to me. If a google search does not yield the results, then perhaps a post is warranted. I rarely see ‘I did a google search or searched the archives’ for common questions.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:06 PM, Shan Noyes wrote:

Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….

-
In your opinion, which is not shared by many.

You ought to have done a search of the group archives, too.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


 

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 02:05 AM, David Diamond wrote:
Said with tong firmly planted in my cheek.
-
Ouch!  Ouch, ouch, ouch!!  [Sorry, some spelling slips are just too funny, as written, to resist.]
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


David Diamond
 

Sometimes the brain gets a cramp and the spell checker misses the obvious.  Btw, I tried to implement the “Mute this topic” function, hitting the delete key is a lot easier, I don’t have to remember my password to implement it. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: May 18, 2021 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 02:05 AM, David Diamond wrote:

Said with tong firmly planted in my cheek.

-
Ouch!  Ouch, ouch, ouch!!  [Sorry, some spelling slips are just too funny, as written, to resist.]
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 07:53 PM 5/17/2021, Tyler Wood wrote:
The Internet is a vast and enormous place. It's high time in 2021 we
started using the resources available to us to search for information.
This isn't preaching, this should be common practice. Ignorance in
doing ones own google search at this juncture is simply astounding to
me. If a google search does not yield the results, then perhaps a post
is warranted. I rarely see 'I did a google search or searched the
archives' for common questions.

There's a fundamental difference between the necessity to perform independent web searches and the often condescending attitude with which this advice is so frequently delivered. Tact goes a long way in such matters.
On one hand, many newly-blind and elderly users are simply too overwhelmed by screen reading and text-to-speech technologies to begin with, especially if they didn't use computers before losing their sight or in their younger decades.
On the other, when people repeatedly ask the same elementary questions, valuable time is taken to answer them, time that could be better spent discussing more involved and perplexing issues.
For instance, I have found, to my immense dismay, that, when posting comments on Quora, if I stop typing and navigate by character, word or line, JAWS not only takes me out of forms mode, it also brings me to the top of the page. This shouldn't be happening, since Quora's edit fields are standard.
Until a few days ago, I was having an issue on both desktop and laptop where, upon startup, JAWS would announce itself after loading, then go silent, as though it had closed. But, it never was closed; entering the JAWS menu and reselecting my desired sound card resumed speech. This is entirely absurd, since, when no device is selected, JAWS uses the default audio device. Besides, my desired sound card had been previously selected and presumably saved in JAWS' configuration files.
Now folks, how are we supposed to answer questions like these if we're always telling people how to turn off punctuation, invoke the touch cursor, enter/exit forms mode, increase/decrease speech rate, etc.?
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090


Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 08:14 PM 5/17/2021, Larry Wayland wrote:
Why do we even have these forms if every time someone ask a question
they are told to go search on the Internet?
Maybe some people like the contact with other people. Nothing wrong
with that. There is one person on here, and he is either on or has
been on other forms who can't answer a question without belittling
everyone. Too bad too because he is very knowledgeable. Why not just
answer the question and go on and don't worry about all the other stuff.

I know the person in question and have privately advised him that the delete key would introduce unparalleled efficiency into his work flow, plus decrease his annoyance level. That said, there's no sanitized way to say this: Most of us veteran computer users can tell when someone is asking an elementary question because they're truly struggling and feel hopelessly lost, versus someone who's just using these lists as online search alternatives because they're just plain lazy.
Folks, any question covered in JAWS' documentation need not be asked on these lists at least once a week. If yall can read with speech and Braille enough to interact here, you can read JAWS' documentation. If not, there are mp3 tutorials. There's no dearth of basic-to-advanced help for using JAWS, put out by Vispero itself.
All this said, the Socratic method of question&answer dialogue is apparent when folks post questions, get answers, then ask for clarification because they don't understand a concept taken for granted by the person providing instructions. That kind of interaction isn't possible with online searches, unless one poses questions on forums.
But when someone asks, say, how to stop JAWS from announcing new mail arrivals in Outlook, gets precise instructions about Outlook settings and Windows notification settings, then disappears, we can safely assume they were never interested in "human interaction" or Socratic dialogue. They were just using us as human resources, with complete disregard for our names, ages, backgrounds or--most important-our time.
While on this subject of silencing screen reader information, this is unfortunately a very frequent topic posted on these lists; people are always looking for wars to shut JAWS up. Folks, the purpose of a screen reader is to provide us information as it changes in our open windows. A screen reader is not a mere reading machine; using it in this way is not worth JAWS' ridiculously high price. Part of why yall ask such simple questions over and over is that you turn off JAWS speaking information that would help you navigate independently. I'll never understand, for instance, why any blind user would want to turn off control information and not know whether they're in a list box, on a track bar, at a radio button, etc. If the verbiage annoys, we have speech and sound schemes where you can assign sounds to every supported control type and state. So, if you don't want to hear JAWS say "Check box, checked," you can assign a check box sound, then another pair of sounds to represent checked and unchecked states. That's infinitely superior to not knowing what kind of friggin control you're on, or whether you're on a control at all.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090


Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 02:05 AM 5/18/2021, David Diamond wrote:
Tyler, I entirely agree. Let’s just do away with all groups and
list and just look everything up on the Internet where anyone and
their dog can post their dogma. Your blind? What’s a matter with
you, why cannot you understand to just click the yellow X at the top
of the screen, or click on this. I made this video for all to
understand how … works. Said with tong firmly planted in my cheek.

As yall know from my previous posts, I'm all about blind-inclusive language when providing explanations and instructions. However, let's not short-change ourselves into believing that any sighted instructions referring to points and icon clicks are irrelevant to us. If I hear, "Click the X on the top left of the screen," the only confounding part is the X, which is probably an unlabeled graphic. Otherwise, I sure know how to get to the screen's top left quadrant and activate any element I find there. Folks, "click" in sightling means "activate" in blindling. It means press space, enter, a simulated mouse key click or the physical mouse to activate an element. No one should feel irreparably lost or left out when they hear instructions involving clicks. As for drag&drop, the JAWS hotkey for that is control+insert+numpad-slash. But it can be reassigned to anything you want, as can all 1250 or so JAWS hotkeys.
And, before I sign off, here's your friendly reminder that, no matter what everyone around you says, keys are not stroked; they're pressed or depressed. No amount of keystrokes will make anything happen on any device until you actually press keys. Stroking them might make you feel good, but it won't get 'er done.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090


James Homuth
 

I think it depends very much on the JAWS user. For example, take the
notifications of new emails that JAWS reads out. Useful? Sure. Useful to me?
Absolutely not. So away they go. I have JAWS not speaking some controls for
exactly the same reason. If I really need to find a specific control type,
the hotkeys for navigating between controls still work.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique
Fiol via groups.io
Sent: May 18, 2021 10:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

At 08:14 PM 5/17/2021, Larry Wayland wrote:
>Why do we even have these forms if every time someone ask a question
they are told to go search on the Internet?
>Maybe some people like the contact with other people. Nothing wrong
with that. There is one person on here, and he is either on or has >been
on other forms who can't answer a question without belittling >everyone.
Too bad too because he is very knowledgeable. Why not just >answer the
question and go on and don't worry about all the other stuff.


I know the person in question and have privately advised him that the delete
key would introduce unparalleled efficiency into his work flow, plus
decrease his annoyance level. That said, there's no sanitized way to say
this: Most of us veteran computer users can tell when someone is asking an
elementary question because they're truly struggling and feel hopelessly
lost, versus someone who's just using these lists as online search
alternatives because they're just plain lazy.
Folks, any question covered in JAWS' documentation need not be asked on
these lists at least once a week. If yall can read with speech and Braille
enough to interact here, you can read JAWS' documentation. If not, there are
mp3 tutorials. There's no dearth of basic-to-advanced help for using JAWS,
put out by Vispero itself.
All this said, the Socratic method of question&answer dialogue is apparent
when folks post questions, get answers, then ask for clarification because
they don't understand a concept taken for granted by the person providing
instructions. That kind of interaction isn't possible with online searches,
unless one poses questions on forums.
But when someone asks, say, how to stop JAWS from announcing new mail
arrivals in Outlook, gets precise instructions about Outlook settings and
Windows notification settings, then disappears, we can safely assume they
were never interested in "human interaction" or Socratic dialogue. They were
just using us as human resources, with complete disregard for our names,
ages, backgrounds or--most important-our time.
While on this subject of silencing screen reader information, this is
unfortunately a very frequent topic posted on these lists; people are always
looking for wars to shut JAWS up. Folks, the purpose of a screen reader is
to provide us information as it changes in our open windows. A screen reader
is not a mere reading machine; using it in this way is not worth JAWS'
ridiculously high price. Part of why yall ask such simple questions over and
over is that you turn off JAWS speaking information that would help you
navigate independently. I'll never understand, for instance, why any blind
user would want to turn off control information and not know whether they're
in a list box, on a track bar, at a radio button, etc. If the verbiage
annoys, we have speech and sound schemes where you can assign sounds to
every supported control type and state. So, if you don't want to hear JAWS
say "Check box, checked," you can assign a check box sound, then another
pair of sounds to represent checked and unchecked states.
That's infinitely superior to not knowing what kind of friggin control
you're on, or whether you're on a control at all.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue Ph.D. in Music
theory University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090


 

Orlando,

         I cannot possibly thank you enough, or repeat enough times, what you said about the "translation" of sighted instructions to screen reader parlance.  In the case of my students (most of whom are formerly sighted) they already understand all the point and click speak, but I have the occasional student who has never been able to see, and one of the first things I teach is that you need to understand point and click terminology because point is just "gain focus on and selection of" a given control, object, item in a list, what have you, and that "click" is activate.  Virtually all sighted-focused instruction sets that are well-written to include the things being pointed to and clicked on translate directly to screen reader users with simply knowing the things you first said and I've just repeated.  Most instruction sets are not going to be written for the blind and screen reader users, but that doesn't mean that they're not easily usable by them in a very large number of cases.

           I will argue with you on keystrokes, though.  A keystroke is the depression of a key, even way back when I was learning to type on a manual typewriter.  The term is a bit of an anachonism, but is synonymous with key press.  The Macmillan dictionary, and many others, too, defines keystroke as:  a single action of pressing a key on a typewriter or computer.  The term keystroke never referred to gliding one's finger(s) lovingly over keys, much like one would the coat of a beloved pet.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide