moderated Brian, Can you send me your contact information off list?


I want to save it in case I have scripting or other projects for you in the future.



From: <> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: bitching


All I know is that I’ve found Brian’s contributions and knowledge about computing in general impressive enough to where I’ve personally contracted him to do some scripting work for my business. To have someone who not only knows their way around the more nuanced aspect of technology (I certainly don’t know how to code or script) and is also very familiar with assistive technology and in particular screen readers is a valuable resource to have.

There have maybe been one or two times where I’ve disagreed with him related to a list issue, but so what. Let’s not all drown in a glass of water. These are just mailing lists after all. Step away from the keyboard. Read a book. Get some sun. Enjoy a nice cup of coffee or music. And yes, Google is indeed sometimes your friend.





From: <> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: bitching


Please take criticism off list or to an administrator.

This is not what the list is for.



From: <> On Behalf Of German A Fermin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: bitching


Changing the subject for what this has become. Not about email clients anymore.


From: <> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek via
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: email clients


When a blind individual is attacked, by a person not blind, I have every right to defend and go after this individual. You, have nothing to do with this so it is you who has no right to be part. Go find something to do and do not have this something you find to occupy your time something other than protecting one as this individual. How dare you be such as you are to protect one that is and has been such a troubled one in every blind group when this person is not blind himself yet will attack one blind for not knowing and openly asking for help. How dare you Don...


From: <> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: email clients


Rick, you are not the “all knowing,” for all blind people. If you want to criticize someone, do it privately. We’ve become very good at putting hate on someone just because we don’t like what they say, how they speak or because you don’t like their opinions, this list should not be about that.


From: <> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:15 PM
Subject: [External] : Re: email clients


I will correct you for I had many individuals email me off list saying it was better that person was gone. Do not think it is ok for your having some knowledge to attack, abuse and ridicule those who come to these lists for help, not to be condemned for seeking the assistance of which these groups are first and for. As I said before and I will hold on firmly, if you want to be part of a group that is willing to treat those within as he does then go and form your own narcissistic group where it will be expected to be treated as Brian continuously treats others. This is unaccepable no matter what anyone knows. He is on these sites for some unknown reason and if it is to simply brag on what is known then move onto your own list. Otherwise, do not defend the abuser no matter how you all feel he helps you. Do not afford yourself to be a defendant of the obviously guilt ridden abuser.


From: <> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: email clients


Ricky, you should keep your facts straight, Brian recently decided to unsubscribe from the Windows 10 list and the majority of list members felt this was a great loss.

You seem to be on a personal mission to convince others that just because you don't like his approach nobody should. Interestingly enough once again the majority of people on the Windows 10 list didn't seem to have a big problem with his messages, Brian can be very direct and he may question why somebody asks a question for which it is extremely easy to find an answer and he is definitely correct in saying that there are a few individuals who are just too lazy to take notes and hence ask the same simple things over and over or they ask because they don't want to go out of their comfort zone and try to look up how to do something by looking it up online.

If you like I could send you instructions on how to set up a filter so all Brian's emails go to your trash folder and this way you don't need to experience high blood pressure or waste time to bad mouth him everytime he writes something you don't like.

I by the way am also completely blind, but if you can't accept the fact that not everybody has your personality then maybe you are the one who should start your own list because as other spointed out, most of us are not offended.


From: <> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: email clients


The point is simple, I am and he has attacked individuals on other lists previously. Who cares what he knows. I will not accept his rudeness, attacks etc. towards any blind person no matter their knowledge. He has no right to do this and has been forced off of other groups due to his total lack of respect for anyone. No, you do not know this person and he surely should be removed from tjhis list, no matter what he believes he knows or otherwise. Do not defend those obviously guilty and if you believe you need to, then as I told him, go start your own group list for rude people and go attack one another. He went after Randy and I have no idea how you do not see this.


From: <> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: email clients


Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.




From: Rick Mladek

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM

Subject: Re: email clients




It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.



From: <> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: email clients


On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel