Jaws and ear pain


Tony Malykh
 

Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not
the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when
I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if
anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any
suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight
problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out,
that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried
different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about
the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female,
human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on
mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can
still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop
speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a
few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I
don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but
that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio
programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony


Tony
 

You have already tried most of the things I was going to suggest.

One thing does come to mind.

You might be suffering from a TMJ problem. That is the joint at the back of your jaws. With your teeth grinding and with the extra concentration you probably experience when using computer speech the muscle at the back of the jaw can tighten up. Being as close to the ears as the TMJ is it might be worth having this checked. A dentist can probably determine if that is your problem.

When I was in law school about 20 years ago and really having to use computer speech my dentist told me that I have "world class jaw muscles." I had to wear a plastic splint between my upper and lower teeth at night to allow the TMJ to relax so that it didn't bother me during the day.

I quit wearing the splint shortly after law school and only have the jaw problem occasionally now even though I use computer speech more than ever.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh [mailto:anton.malykh@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and ear pain

Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out, that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female, human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony


Robert Logue
 

You probably use the default voice, (Eloquence). You can download other voices from Freedom Scientific that may be more comfortable.

There does not appear to be a overall pitch adjustment in Eloquence which sometimes helps with ear fatigue. Other voices may have pitch adjustment.

Also, lowering the volume helps me some times.

Other options would be to use different speakers, headphones, or even add a second sound device. There are some low cost USB speakers that are both powered by USB and have their own sound card.

Sometimes the sound of some speakers just doesn't suit Eloquence. If possible, lower the bass and try different treble settings. You may have equalizer settings in your sound card's control panel and or tone controls on your speakers.


Finally. Sometimes you just need a break.

HTH.

Bob

On 3/22/2016 8:23 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not
the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when
I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if
anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any
suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight
problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out,
that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried
different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about
the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female,
human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on
mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can
still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop
speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a
few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I
don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but
that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio
programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony


Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Tony!

This is a far-out suggestion, and I draw it from the world of ham radio. Hams are expert on frequencies, filters, sub-audible tones, harmonics and everything to do with the generation of sound. You might want to contact the ham radio club in your local area, go to one of their meetings and explain your problem. As a ham myself, I can assure you that you would be warmly welcomed whether or not you are a ham. Many hams are retired computer, electrical and radio engineers. They *love* tinkering and building contraptions. They would relish grappling with your problem. FYI, I am going to forward your message below to the "blind ham user group" to see if anyone has encountered your problem. If I get any meaningful response, I will forward such back to you on this list.

HTH,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh [mailto:anton.malykh@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and ear pain

Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out, that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female, human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony


Pat Seed
 

Hi Tony,
You said that you have recently developed some eye sight problems and that you have just taught yourself to use JAWS. All of that put together tells me that you are knew to hearing speech synthesizers. Additionally, you are needing to use allot of concentration to learn. I am thinking that the pain is just telling your body that you have had enough for a while, and need to take a break. It takes a person, sometimes, a while to build up the tolerance for listening to certain sounds or, in fact, being in a certain environment. Most people say that they have headaches trying to build up the tolerance. In your case, it is your ears. It is difficult, but try not to worry about it, and see if the situation clears. Give yourself the chance to get used to everything. I hope this helps.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@shaw.ca>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and ear pain


You probably use the default voice, (Eloquence). You can download other voices from Freedom Scientific that may be more comfortable.

There does not appear to be a overall pitch adjustment in Eloquence which sometimes helps with ear fatigue. Other voices may have pitch adjustment.

Also, lowering the volume helps me some times.

Other options would be to use different speakers, headphones, or even add a second sound device. There are some low cost USB speakers that are both powered by USB and have their own sound card.

Sometimes the sound of some speakers just doesn't suit Eloquence. If possible, lower the bass and try different treble settings. You may have equalizer settings in your sound card's control panel and or tone controls on your speakers.


Finally. Sometimes you just need a break.

HTH.

Bob

On 3/22/2016 8:23 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not
the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when
I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if
anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any
suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight
problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out,
that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried
different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about
the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female,
human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on
mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can
still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop
speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a
few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I
don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but
that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio
programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony




cecropia64
 

Hi Richard:

I know this is not the list for this but I'd like some info from you. Could you please email the info for the blind ham list? I'm very interested in maybe getting started and think this would help..
My email is: cecropia64@att.net.
Thanks

On 3/23/2016 9:20 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
Hi Tony!

This is a far-out suggestion, and I draw it from the world of ham radio. Hams are expert on frequencies, filters, sub-audible tones, harmonics and everything to do with the generation of sound. You might want to contact the ham radio club in your local area, go to one of their meetings and explain your problem. As a ham myself, I can assure you that you would be warmly welcomed whether or not you are a ham. Many hams are retired computer, electrical and radio engineers. They *love* tinkering and building contraptions. They would relish grappling with your problem. FYI, I am going to forward your message below to the "blind ham user group" to see if anyone has encountered your problem. If I get any meaningful response, I will forward such back to you on this list.

HTH,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh [mailto:anton.malykh@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and ear pain

Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out, that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female, human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony






Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Neat idea; wish I'd thought of it. By the way, pitch is adjustable in Eloquence, as long as you adjust one voice at a time.

Ted (KD4EXK)

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard B. McDonald [mailto:richardbmcdonald@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:21 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and ear pain

Hi Tony!

This is a far-out suggestion, and I draw it from the world of ham radio. Hams are expert on frequencies, filters, sub-audible tones, harmonics and everything to do with the generation of sound. You might want to contact the ham radio club in your local area, go to one of their meetings and explain your problem. As a ham myself, I can assure you that you would be warmly welcomed whether or not you are a ham. Many hams are retired computer, electrical and radio engineers. They *love* tinkering and building contraptions. They would relish grappling with your problem. FYI, I am going to forward your message below to the "blind ham user group" to see if anyone has encountered your problem. If I get any meaningful response, I will forward such back to you on this list.

HTH,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh [mailto:anton.malykh@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and ear pain

Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?


Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out, that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female, human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony


Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I have used screen readers since about 1990. I have constant ear ringing, ongoing, relentless, ceaseless. With my current hearing aids, the tinnitus is reduced. As for JAWS, I have not found any specific problem with continuous use of it. Have you called Freedom Scientific, asked them if they'd ever heard of this problem in the past and if they could offer any solutions?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh [mailto:anton.malykh@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 10:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and ear pain

Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out, that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female, human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony


Onwardbob
 

Hi Pat I agree wholeheartedly and second your comments.

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Seed [mailto:patatips@tbaytel.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:23 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and ear pain

Hi Tony,
You said that you have recently developed some eye sight problems and that you have just taught yourself to use JAWS. All of that put together tells me that you are knew to hearing speech synthesizers. Additionally, you are needing to use allot of concentration to learn. I am thinking that the pain is just telling your body that you have had enough for a while, and need to take a break. It takes a person, sometimes, a while to build up the tolerance for listening to certain sounds or, in fact, being in a certain environment. Most people say that they have headaches trying to build up the tolerance. In your case, it is your ears. It is difficult, but try not to worry about it, and see if the situation clears. Give yourself the chance to get used to everything. I hope this helps.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Logue" <bobcat11@shaw.ca>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and ear pain


You probably use the default voice, (Eloquence). You can download other
voices from Freedom Scientific that may be more comfortable.

There does not appear to be a overall pitch adjustment in Eloquence which
sometimes helps with ear fatigue. Other voices may have pitch adjustment.

Also, lowering the volume helps me some times.

Other options would be to use different speakers, headphones, or even add
a second sound device. There are some low cost USB speakers that are both
powered by USB and have their own sound card.

Sometimes the sound of some speakers just doesn't suit Eloquence. If
possible, lower the bass and try different treble settings. You may have
equalizer settings in your sound card's control panel and or tone
controls on your speakers.


Finally. Sometimes you just need a break.

HTH.

Bob

On 3/22/2016 8:23 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not
the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when
I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if
anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any
suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight
problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out,
that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried
different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about
the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female,
human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on
mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can
still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop
speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a
few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I
don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but
that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio
programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony





Gudrun Brunot
 

Sounds like a bummer of a problem, Tony. At the risk of seeming flippant, I'd suggest that, maybe, your body is taking care of you--we spend way too much time in front of our computers as it is,(myself included), and your system is telling you to get up and do something more physical, stretching, walking around, anything but sitting there. Typical scenario: "I'll just check my email." So, email leads to a link to check out, a file to download. File takes time. There is an ad that pops up and plays before you get to the contents. Next email is an offer from Amazon on those 64-gigabyte flash drives you think are so great... Link lands you on the toolbar, and you mutter in annoyance and try to scramble out of there. The tenth of your email message has a great mini tutorial on how to do something, and you simply can't pass up saving that in Word on your hard drive... Instead of ten minutes to check your email, an hour has gone by. Okay, you got the message, no need to go on... Have you tried breaking the JAWS time up? Two hours of jawsing, 3-hour break? Another two hours, Two hour break. Then, try JAWS again and see if it makes a difference. I know, often, there is something we need to complete, and we don't feel we have the time for such experimenting. Still, it's the only thing I could think of to try.

Take care,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh [mailto:anton.malykh@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and ear pain

Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out, that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female, human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony


Dave...
 

Gudrun,

That's exactly what I go through every day. But I just call it "going down a
rat hole" when I get dragged into all those ancillary activities.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gudrun Brunot" <gbrunot@centurylink.net>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 09:44 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and ear pain


Sounds like a bummer of a problem, Tony. At the risk of seeming flippant,
I'd suggest that, maybe, your body is taking care of you--we spend way too
much time in front of our computers as it is,(myself included), and your
system is telling you to get up and do something more physical, stretching,
walking around, anything but sitting there. Typical scenario: "I'll just
check my email." So, email leads to a link to check out, a file to download.
File takes time. There is an ad that pops up and plays before you get to the
contents. Next email is an offer from Amazon on those 64-gigabyte flash
drives you think are so great... Link lands you on the toolbar, and you
mutter in annoyance and try to scramble out of there. The tenth of your
email message has a great mini tutorial on how to do something, and you
simply can't pass up saving that in Word on your hard drive... Instead of
ten minutes to check your email, an hour has gone by. Okay, you got the
message, no need to go on... Have you tried breaking the JAWS time up? Two
hours of jawsing, 3-hour break? Another two hours, Two hour break. Then, try
JAWS again and see if it makes a difference. I know, often, there is
something we need to complete, and we don't feel we have the time for such
experimenting. Still, it's the only thing I could think of to try.

Take care,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh [mailto:anton.malykh@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and ear pain

Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not the
right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when I try
to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if anyone has
experienced anything like this and if there are any suggestions on how to
solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight
problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out, that
after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried different
voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about the same time no
matter what the voice is. I tried male, female, human-like and synthesized
voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on mac too, same result. The volume is
set to minimum at which I can still recognize words, so it is not loud at
all. I tried laptop speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference.
I have seen a few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going
on. I don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but
that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio programs for
the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any suggestions
would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony


Gudrun Brunot
 

Good analogy, David. I'm right down there with you.



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Carlson [mailto:dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and ear pain

Gudrun,

That's exactly what I go through every day. But I just call it "going down a rat hole" when I get dragged into all those ancillary activities.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gudrun Brunot" <gbrunot@centurylink.net>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 09:44 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and ear pain


Sounds like a bummer of a problem, Tony. At the risk of seeming flippant,
I'd suggest that, maybe, your body is taking care of you--we spend way too
much time in front of our computers as it is,(myself included), and your
system is telling you to get up and do something more physical, stretching,
walking around, anything but sitting there. Typical scenario: "I'll just
check my email." So, email leads to a link to check out, a file to download.
File takes time. There is an ad that pops up and plays before you get to the
contents. Next email is an offer from Amazon on those 64-gigabyte flash
drives you think are so great... Link lands you on the toolbar, and you
mutter in annoyance and try to scramble out of there. The tenth of your
email message has a great mini tutorial on how to do something, and you
simply can't pass up saving that in Word on your hard drive... Instead of
ten minutes to check your email, an hour has gone by. Okay, you got the
message, no need to go on... Have you tried breaking the JAWS time up? Two
hours of jawsing, 3-hour break? Another two hours, Two hour break. Then, try
JAWS again and see if it makes a difference. I know, often, there is
something we need to complete, and we don't feel we have the time for such
experimenting. Still, it's the only thing I could think of to try.

Take care,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh [mailto:anton.malykh@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 7:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and ear pain

Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not the
right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when I try
to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if anyone has
experienced anything like this and if there are any suggestions on how to
solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight
problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out, that
after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried different
voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about the same time no
matter what the voice is. I tried male, female, human-like and synthesized
voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on mac too, same result. The volume is
set to minimum at which I can still recognize words, so it is not loud at
all. I tried laptop speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference.
I have seen a few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going
on. I don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but
that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio programs for
the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any suggestions
would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony


Robert Logue
 

Hi Tony. 'I'm sorry. I didn't read your whole story and gave you advice you didn't need. You've already tried just about all I said.
I sincerely apologize.

Bob

On 3/22/2016 8:23 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not
the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when
I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if
anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any
suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight
problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out,
that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried
different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about
the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female,
human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on
mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can
still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop
speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a
few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I
don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but
that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio
programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony


Tony Malykh
 

Thank you all for quick reply!


Tony,

Did you wear the plastic split during the day? Is your split for the
upper teeth only?
I have a split too and I wear it during my sleep only. I am a heavy
grinder, and I was told that the split only protects the teeth, but
doesn't really reduce the amount of grinding. I tried to wear the
split while using JAWS, but it didn't seem to reduce my ear pain. I
was also referred to a neuromuscular dentist, who told me he can make
a really fancy split that would cover both upper and lower teeth and
prevent grinding completely, but that would cost me around 10000
dollars, so I haven't made up my mind yet.


Carolyn,

Good idea. I called Freedom Scientific, but unfortunately they didn't
have any suggestions. I'm sorry to hear about your tinnitus, it musdt
be so frustrating to live with it...


Gudrun,

I tried having more breaks during the day. I even tried splitting my
JAWS usage into 4 1-hour intervals with breaks in between, but that
doesn't seem to help. It seems like my ears are sensitive to the total
amount of time I listen to JAWS, and not the timing of the breaks in
between.




Tony

On 3/23/16, Robert Logue <bobcat11@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hi Tony. 'I'm sorry. I didn't read your whole story and gave you advice
you didn't need. You've already tried just about all I said.
I sincerely apologize.

Bob

On 3/22/2016 8:23 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not
the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when
I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if
anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any
suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight
problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out,
that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried
different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about
the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female,
human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on
mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can
still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop
speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen a
few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I
don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but
that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio
programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony






Tony
 

My splint was molded for both lower and upper teeth so the jaw would not move. This prevented grinding and helped relax the jaw muscles.

My wife paid about $600 for a splint from a specialist 30 years ago. I paid $300 from a dentist 20 years ago. I expect you can get it done for $500 to $800 and any insurance you have may help. It is considered a medical device rather than a dental device. Be sure you make that distinction when checking on insurance.

They usually make a temporary splint to wear while the permanent device is being made. You might ask if you can try it first for a lower cost to see if it helps before having the permanent one made.

Just a few ideas for thought. I noticed you got some other good ideas from the list that you may not have tried yet. I'm glad you asked here. There are several people with knowledge of most everything here to help.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh [mailto:anton.malykh@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 4:57 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and ear pain

Thank you all for quick reply!


Tony,

Did you wear the plastic split during the day? Is your split for the upper teeth only?
I have a split too and I wear it during my sleep only. I am a heavy grinder, and I was told that the split only protects the teeth, but doesn't really reduce the amount of grinding. I tried to wear the split while using JAWS, but it didn't seem to reduce my ear pain. I was also referred to a neuromuscular dentist, who told me he can make a really fancy split that would cover both upper and lower teeth and prevent grinding completely, but that would cost me around 10000 dollars, so I haven't made up my mind yet.


Carolyn,

Good idea. I called Freedom Scientific, but unfortunately they didn't have any suggestions. I'm sorry to hear about your tinnitus, it musdt be so frustrating to live with it...


Gudrun,

I tried having more breaks during the day. I even tried splitting my JAWS usage into 4 1-hour intervals with breaks in between, but that doesn't seem to help. It seems like my ears are sensitive to the total amount of time I listen to JAWS, and not the timing of the breaks in between.




Tony

On 3/23/16, Robert Logue <bobcat11@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hi Tony. 'I'm sorry. I didn't read your whole story and gave you
advice you didn't need. You've already tried just about all I said.
I sincerely apologize.

Bob

On 3/22/2016 8:23 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not
the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when
I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if
anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any
suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight
problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out,
that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried
different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about
the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female,
human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on
mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can
still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop
speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen
a few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I
don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but
that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio
programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony






Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I got a splint a few years ago for 300 dollars, which did not last. My husband does not hear me grinding, just snoring. I think I have long since stopped grinding, just the wear shows on my teeth. I did not replace that $300 device that lasted only about three years.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony [mailto:Tony@K5TWZ.Com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and ear pain

My splint was molded for both lower and upper teeth so the jaw would not move. This prevented grinding and helped relax the jaw muscles.

My wife paid about $600 for a splint from a specialist 30 years ago. I paid $300 from a dentist 20 years ago. I expect you can get it done for $500 to $800 and any insurance you have may help. It is considered a medical device rather than a dental device. Be sure you make that distinction when checking on insurance.

They usually make a temporary splint to wear while the permanent device is being made. You might ask if you can try it first for a lower cost to see if it helps before having the permanent one made.

Just a few ideas for thought. I noticed you got some other good ideas from the list that you may not have tried yet. I'm glad you asked here. There are several people with knowledge of most everything here to help.

Tony



-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malykh [mailto:anton.malykh@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 4:57 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and ear pain

Thank you all for quick reply!


Tony,

Did you wear the plastic split during the day? Is your split for the upper teeth only?
I have a split too and I wear it during my sleep only. I am a heavy grinder, and I was told that the split only protects the teeth, but doesn't really reduce the amount of grinding. I tried to wear the split while using JAWS, but it didn't seem to reduce my ear pain. I was also referred to a neuromuscular dentist, who told me he can make a really fancy split that would cover both upper and lower teeth and prevent grinding completely, but that would cost me around 10000 dollars, so I haven't made up my mind yet.


Carolyn,

Good idea. I called Freedom Scientific, but unfortunately they didn't have any suggestions. I'm sorry to hear about your tinnitus, it musdt be so frustrating to live with it...


Gudrun,

I tried having more breaks during the day. I even tried splitting my JAWS usage into 4 1-hour intervals with breaks in between, but that doesn't seem to help. It seems like my ears are sensitive to the total amount of time I listen to JAWS, and not the timing of the breaks in between.




Tony

On 3/23/16, Robert Logue <bobcat11@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hi Tony. 'I'm sorry. I didn't read your whole story and gave you
advice you didn't need. You've already tried just about all I said.
I sincerely apologize.

Bob

On 3/22/2016 8:23 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hi all.

(This is my first message, so I beg your pardon if this group is not
the right place for such a question).

I am a new user of JAWS and I have a weird problem: my ears hurt when
I try to use JAWS for longer than 3-4 hours a day. I am wondering if
anyone has experienced anything like this and if there are any
suggestions on how to solve or alleviate the problem?

Here is my story in more details. Recently I developed some eyesight
problems. I have taught myself to use JAWS, but quickly figured out,
that after 3-4 hours of daily usage my ears start to hurt. I tried
different voices - no difference, my ears start to hurt after about
the same time no matter what the voice is. I tried male, female,
human-like and synthesized voices - all alike. I tried voiceover on
mac too, same result. The volume is set to minimum at which I can
still recognize words, so it is not loud at all. I tried laptop
speakers, external speakers, headphones - no difference. I have seen
a few ear doctors, but none of them have any idea what's going on. I
don't have any other ears problems, except for mild ear ringing, but
that is due to teeth grinding during my sleep.
I can listen to real human voices such as audiobooks or radio
programs for the whole day (12 hours) without any pain.
I am curious if anyone has experienced anything like this. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you
Tony