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Hi everyone,
With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?
Any other suggestions?
~Ann
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Even if they work, they're no good IMHO. If you need a free WOrd
Processor, use Google Docs.
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hi,
I didn't followed the thread about Jarte, but as a piece of advice, if
you're going to use a word processor on a regular basis, let's say
college, I won't recommend any free word processor, I plunged myself
into searching for an acceptable piece of software, but in the end, I
ended up resorting to MS Word. Of course, this really depends on the
user's needs and expectations. Every once in a while and to do the
shopping list, wordpad is a good alternative.
Leo
“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.”
― haruki murakami,
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On 11/28/2020 4:59 AM, ann wrote: Hi everyone,
With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away
eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free
word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre
Office?
Any other suggestions?
~Ann
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Hi, Ann,
This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.
Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.
Sincerely,
Jasmine
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Free word processors
Hi everyone,
With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?
Any other suggestions?
~Ann
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I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents. Someone who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely on this though. David G. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Jasmine KotsaySent: 02 December 2020 09:20 To: main@jfw.groups.ioSubject: Re: Free word processors Hi, Ann, This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again. Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious. Sincerely, Jasmine -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Free word processors Hi everyone, With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office? Any other suggestions? ~Ann
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I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.
Richard
"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:
I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default
and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.
Someone who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely on this though.
David G.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
Hi, Ann,
This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.
Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work,
or would another program work better? I'm just curious.
Sincerely,
Jasmine
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Free word processors
Hi everyone,
With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?
Any other suggestions?
~Ann
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David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear
identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers.
However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice
receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer
even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore,
I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner
wrote:
I
would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until
someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has
been mentioned Libre or something like that.
Richard
"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm
trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and
about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish
I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
I have never used
Google Docs precisely because of this problem but
apparently checking on Google last week there are
instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I
can see though this is certainly not the default and
ironically you need to be online to make this setting
change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi
suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all
your documents.
Someone who
actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment
definitely on this though.
David G.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
Hi, Ann,
This was such a great question. I know
someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can
get MS Word again.
Someone suggested Google Docs. A month
or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this
was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering,
what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection,
will Google Docs still work, or would another program work
better? I'm just curious.
Sincerely,
Jasmine
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59
AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Free word processors
Hi everyone,
With all the latest talk about Jarte,
and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of
development, I was wondering what other free word
processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or
Libre Office?
Any other suggestions?
~Ann
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Thanks to David, I went and looked at the LibreOffice web site. It is the successor to Open Office, according to their site, so yes, go with LibreOffice. Here is the link:
https://www.libreoffice.org/
Richard
"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On Dec 2, 2020, at 5:26 AM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:
Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature
additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.
Richard
"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default
and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.
Someone who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely on this though.
David G.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
Hi, Ann,
This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.
Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work,
or would another program work better? I'm just curious.
Sincerely,
Jasmine
-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Free word processors
Hi everyone,
With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?
Any other suggestions?
~Ann
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I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included
in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are
included?
Thanks, Marie
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From: David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors
Hi.
OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the
surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very
slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature
additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office
files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice. David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until
someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned
Libre or something like that.
Richard
"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a
Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in
deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I
was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
I have never used Google Docs precisely
because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there
are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though
this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to
make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi
suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your
documents.
Someone who actually uses Google
Docs may be able to comment definitely on this though.
David G.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Jasmine
Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free
word processors
Hi, Ann,
This was such a great question. I know someone who needs
a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.
Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I
would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any
luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI
connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work
better? I'm just curious.
Sincerely,
Jasmine
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of
ann
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Free word processors
Hi everyone,
With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be
going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other
free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre
Office?
Any other suggestions?
~Ann
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Two things.
I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.
Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA. There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.
If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.
Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?
Here is the help link:
Start Center (libreoffice.org)
Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
*I’m not the card shark
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors
I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: Free word processors
Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice
receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like
that.
"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened
to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions
for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all
your documents.
Someone who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely on this though.
David G.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
From:
Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors
Hi, Ann,
This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.
Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with
it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.
Sincerely,
Jasmine
-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io
mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Free word processors
Hi everyone,
With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free
word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?
Any other suggestions?
~Ann
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LibreOffice includes the following:
- Writer: Word Processor
- Calc: Spreadsheet
- Impress: Presentations (think PowerPoint)
- Base: Database Manager (think MS-Access)
- Draw: Diagram maker
- Math: Mathematical formula editor
The Discover dropdown on the LibreOffice Main Page gets into each of these, and more, in detail --
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.
~ André Gide
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You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right
in libre-ofice. I'm not having the issues you mention about
sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character
movement. There is an accessibility section under tools/options,
the first checkbox probably needs checked.
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On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner
wrote:
Two things.
I’m pasting the link to the help
documentation online so you can read through its offerings.
Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws
and NVDA. There is a dealy after each character when you
arrow over it or when you type.
If I had to depend on this for all my
Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.
Are there scripts or settings that can be
changed to help this?
Here is the help link:
Start Center (libreoffice.org)
Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a
knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw
yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe
and Everything, p.59
Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
*I’m not the card shark
I went to the Libreoffice site
but could not find out just what is included in this
suite. I know it has word processing but what other
aps are included?
Sent:
Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM
Subject:
Re: Free word processors
Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice
are very similar and they may appear identical on the
surface, especially for users of screen readers.
However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle.
LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature
additions and should offer even better compatibility
with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly
recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard
Turner wrote:
I would not depend on Google
Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get
Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been
mentioned Libre or something like that.
"You know," said Arthur,
"it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a
Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and
about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that
I really wish I'd listened to what my mother
told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell
you?"
"I don't know, I didn't
listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The
Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
I have
never used Google Docs precisely because of
this problem but apparently checking on Google
last week there are instructions for using
Google docs offline. As far as I can see
though this is certainly not the default and
ironically you need to be online to make this
setting change. So I imagine that if, for
example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may
indeed be locked out of all your documents.
Someone
who actually uses Google Docs may be able to
comment definitely on this though.
David G.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
From:
Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors
Hi, Ann,
This was such a great
question. I know someone who needs a different
wordprocessor until they can get MS Word
again.
Someone suggested
Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not
have recommended it. However, this was because
I never had any luck with it. I was wondering,
what if someone is not always near a WI-FI
connection, will Google Docs still work, or
would another program work better? I'm just
curious.
Sincerely,
Jasmine
-----Original
Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io
mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of
ann
Sent: Saturday,
November 28, 2020 2:59 AM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Free word
processors
Hi
everyone,
With all the latest
talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away
eventually due to lack of development, I was
wondering what other free word processors work
well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre
Office?
Any other suggestions?
~Ann
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I don’t know what this sluggishness might be dependent upon, but the experience you report is not mine. I do not remember modifying any settings in particular. I find Libre to be snappier than mS office, but that doesn’t really make it better as there are other factors to consider as well. Still, speed in responsiveness has never been an issue for me. To verify, I just opened up Libre Writer with first jaws and then nVDA. No complaints about speed, but using JAWS 2018 at least, the menus are not read without using the JAWS cursor, which is a pain. This is not the case with NVDA, and I *think* Freedom scientific may have fixe this in the newer/latest JFW versions most of you are using.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: December 2, 2020 10:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors Two things. I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings. Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA. There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type. If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating. Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this? Here is the help link: Start Center (libreoffice.org) Richard "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying. There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59 Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com *I’m not the card shark I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included? Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM Subject: Re: Free word processors Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote: I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that. "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young." "Why, what did she tell you?" "I don't know, I didn't listen." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents. Someone who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely on this though. David G. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors Hi, Ann, This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again. Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious. Sincerely, Jasmine -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Free word processors Hi everyone, With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office? Any other suggestions? ~Ann
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Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus, but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: December 2, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice. I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement. There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked. On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote: Two things. I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings. Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA. There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type. If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating. Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this? Here is the help link: Start Center (libreoffice.org) Richard "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying. There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59 Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com *I’m not the card shark I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included? Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM Subject: Re: Free word processors Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote: I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that. "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young." "Why, what did she tell you?" "I don't know, I didn't listen." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents. Someone who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely on this though. David G. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors Hi, Ann, This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again. Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious. Sincerely, Jasmine -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Free word processors Hi everyone, With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office? Any other suggestions? ~Ann
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Well, with Jaws 2021 the menus read fine.
However, in case you didn’t know, the “Support assistive technology tools (program restart required) check box‑ checked‑ “ checks itself apparently when it detects a screen reader.
I tried unchecking it, applying the changes, hitting OK and restarting LibreOffice to see if it made a difference and since it made no difference, I checked again and low and behold, it was checked again without my doing anything.
Conclusion, my system doesn’t like LibreOffice.
It certainly isn’t unusable, and if I need something other than Microsoft Office for a CSV file format or something, I will use this, but for me, it would never replace Microsoft Office. But, I am glad it is there for those who cannot
afford Microsoft’s products.
Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
*I’m not the card shark
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors
Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus, but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.
You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice. I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement. There is an accessibility section under
tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.
On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:
Two things.
I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.
Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA. There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.
If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.
Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?
Here is the help link:
Start
Center (libreoffice.org)
Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
*I’m not the card shark
I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: Free word processors
Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very
slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something
like that.
"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space,
that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline.
As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.
Someone who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely on this though.
David G.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
From:
Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors
Hi, Ann,
This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.
Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what
if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.
Sincerely,
Jasmine
-----Original Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io
mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Free word processors
Hi everyone,
With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work
well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?
Any other suggestions?
~Ann
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Interesting. Wonder if you have something going on with display
drivers or some such. To me, programs other than Microsoft Office
aren't going to get the speech support, and if you've have to deal
with files from ms office, you'd better stick with it. Nothing is
more miserable than a botched file conversion, and you never know
how good conversions will actually be. I have found that
Libreoffice and other programs are useful when you hit files that
MS doesn't bother supporting anymore. I found a .wri file a while
back, and MS wouldn't read it even though it came from old Windows
Write. I used either Openoffice or Libreoffice and it had no
trouble.
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On 12/2/2020 10:51, Richard Turner
wrote:
Well, with Jaws 2021 the menus read fine.
However, in case you didn’t know, the
“Support assistive technology tools (program restart required)
check box‑ checked‑ “ checks itself apparently when it
detects a screen reader.
I tried unchecking it, applying the
changes, hitting OK and restarting LibreOffice to see if it
made a difference and since it made no difference, I checked
again and low and behold, it was checked again without my
doing anything.
Conclusion, my system doesn’t like
LibreOffice.
It certainly isn’t unusable, and if I need
something other than Microsoft Office for a CSV file format or
something, I will use this, but for me, it would never replace
Microsoft Office. But, I am glad it is there for those who
cannot afford Microsoft’s products.
Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a
knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw
yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe
and Everything, p.59
Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
*I’m not the card shark
Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about
that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus,
but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.
You might want to check to make sure
accessibility is set right in libre-ofice. I'm not having
the issues you mention about sluggishness or something
strange being spoken after character movement. There is an
accessibility section under tools/options, the first
checkbox probably needs checked.
On 12/2/2020 09:53,
Richard Turner wrote:
Two things.
I’m pasting the link
to the help documentation online so you can read through
its offerings.
Also, it is very
sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA. There is a dealy
after each character when you arrow over it or when you
type.
If I had to depend
on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would
get frustrating.
Are there scripts or
settings that can be changed to help this?
Here is the help
link:
Start Center (libreoffice.org)
Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's
Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
flying.
There is an art,
it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and
miss."
--Douglas Adams,
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
Check out my web
site at:
www.turner42.com
*I’m not the card
shark
I went to the
Libreoffice site but could not find out just what
is included in this suite. I know it has word
processing but what other aps are included?
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020
5:25 AM
Subject: Re: Free word processors
Hi. OpenOffice
and LibreOffice are very similar and they may
appear identical on the surface, especially for
users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a
very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives
many more updates and feature additions and should
offer even better compatibility with more complex
Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend
LibreOffice over OpenOffice.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020
8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I would not
depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine
until someone can get Word.I am not sure about
the other one that has been mentioned Libre or
something like that.
"You
know," said Arthur, "it's at times like
this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock
with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die
of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really
wish I'd listened to what my mother told me
when I was young."
"Why,
what did she tell you?"
"I don't
know, I didn't listen."
--
Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The
Galaxy
I have
never used Google Docs precisely because
of this problem but apparently checking on
Google last week there are instructions
for using Google docs offline. As far as I
can see though this is certainly not the
default and ironically you need to be
online to make this setting change. So I
imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi
suddenly goes down you may indeed be
locked out of all your documents.
Someone
who actually uses Google Docs may be able
to comment definitely on this though.
David
G.
Sent
from
Mail for Windows 10
From:
Jasmine
Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word
processors
Hi,
Ann,
This
was such a great question. I know someone
who needs a different wordprocessor until
they can get MS Word again.
Someone
suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago,
I would not have recommended it. However,
this was because I never had any luck with
it. I was wondering, what if someone is
not always near a WI-FI connection, will
Google Docs still work, or would another
program work better? I'm just curious.
Sincerely,
Jasmine
-----Original
Message-----
From:
main@jfw.groups.io
mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf
Of ann
Sent:
Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject:
Free word processors
Hi everyone,
With
all the latest talk about Jarte, and how
it may be going away eventually due to
lack of development, I was wondering what
other free word processors work well with
Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre
Office?
Any
other suggestions?
~Ann
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LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively. No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too. --
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.
~ André Gide
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Hello all,
My last comment on this is that for me, and again, just for me, Office is amazingly snappy, but LibreOffice, even using its own format with a fresh document, is sluggish.
So, if I need it to open and convert an old file type or something, but I personally cannot recommend it based on my experience.
Open Office actually was snappier, but as David pointed out, it is no longer being developed now that LibreOffice is the focus of that project.
I will drop them some feedback but this is no big deal to me, I was just checking it out.
I’m done now.
Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
Check out my web site at:
www.turner42.com
*I’m not the card shark
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors
LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively. No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too.
--
Brian - Windows
10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.
~ André Gide
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Yeah, I've never experienced sluggishness either,
and I haven't made any changes with it.
Maybe it's something in the most recent Libra, as
mine is not updated.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Free word processors
You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in
libre-ofice. I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or
something strange being spoken after character movement. There is an
accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs
checked.
On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:
Two things.
I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so
you can read through its offerings.
Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.
There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you
type.
If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I
think this would get frustrating.
Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help
this?
Here is the help link:
Start Center (libreoffice.org)
Richard
"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on
the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The
knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything,
p.59
Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
*I’m not the card shark
I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out
just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what
other aps are included?
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020
5:25 AM
Subject: Re: Free word
processors
Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and
they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen
readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice
receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better
compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend
LibreOffice over OpenOffice.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner
wrote:
I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office
works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that
has been mentioned Libre or something like that.
"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this,
when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to
die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what
my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The
Galaxy
I have never used Google Docs
precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last
week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can
see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be
online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example,
your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your
documents.
Someone who actually uses Google
Docs may be able to comment definitely on this
though.
David G.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Jasmine
Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free
word processors
Hi, Ann,
This was such a great question. I know someone
who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.
Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two
ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never
had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near
a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program
work better? I'm just curious.
Sincerely,
Jasmine
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of
ann
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59
AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Free word processors
Hi everyone,
With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it
may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering
what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office
or Libre Office?
Any other suggestions?
~Ann
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It does. But I guess questioning whether, for instance, complicated formatting done with libre will translate effectively to MS when someone accesses your documents using the more commercial product is a fair question, and it’s one I don’t really know the answer to. For most people though, I don’t *think* it’d be a problem.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: December 2, 2020 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively. No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too.
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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