moderated Free word processors


ann
 

Hi everyone,

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

Any other suggestions?

~Ann


Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@...>
 

Even if they work, they're no good IMHO. If you need a free WOrd
Processor, use Google Docs.


Leo
 

hi,

I didn't followed the thread about Jarte, but as a piece of advice,  if
you're going to use a word processor  on  a regular basis, let's say
college, I won't recommend  any free word processor, I plunged myself
into searching for an acceptable piece of software, but in the end, I
ended up resorting to MS Word. Of course, this really depends on the
user's needs and expectations. Every once in a while and to do the
shopping list, wordpad is a good alternative.



Leo

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.”
― haruki murakami,

On 11/28/2020 4:59 AM, ann wrote:
    Hi everyone,

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away
eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free
word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre
Office?

Any other suggestions?

~Ann




Jasmine Kotsay
 

Hi, Ann,
This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.
Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

Sincerely,
Jasmine

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Free word processors

Hi everyone,

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

Any other suggestions?

~Ann


David Griffith
 

I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Richard Turner
 

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Richard Turner
 

Thanks to David, I went and looked at the LibreOffice web site. It is the successor to Open Office, according to their site, so yes, go with LibreOffice. Here is the link:

https://www.libreoffice.org/



Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Dec 2, 2020, at 5:26 AM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:

 Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?
Thanks, Marie
 
 

From: David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors
 
Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard
 
"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Richard Turner
 

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy



On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

LibreOffice includes the following:
  1. Writer:   Word Processor
  2. Calc:  Spreadsheet
  3. Impress:  Presentations (think PowerPoint)
  4. Base:  Database Manager (think MS-Access)
  5. Draw: Diagram maker
  6. Math:  Mathematical formula editor

The Discover dropdown on the LibreOffice Main Page gets into each of these, and more, in detail
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


Chris Hill
 

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.



On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy



On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


JM Casey
 

I don’t know what this sluggishness might be dependent upon, but the experience you report is not mine. I do not remember modifying any settings in particular. I find Libre to be snappier than mS office, but that doesn’t really make it better as there are other factors to consider as well. Still, speed in responsiveness has never been an issue for me. To verify, I just opened up Libre Writer with first jaws and then nVDA. No complaints about speed, but using JAWS 2018 at least, the menus are not read without using the JAWS cursor, which is a pain. This is not the case with NVDA, and I *think* Freedom scientific may have fixe this in the newer/latest JFW versions most of you are using.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: December 2, 2020 10:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


JM Casey
 

Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus, but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: December 2, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.

 

 

On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Richard Turner
 

Well, with Jaws 2021 the menus read fine.

However, in case you didn’t know, the “Support assistive technology tools (program restart required) check box‑ checked‑ “  checks itself apparently when it detects a screen reader.

I tried unchecking it, applying the changes, hitting OK and restarting LibreOffice to see if it made a difference and since it made no difference, I checked again and low and behold, it was checked again without my doing anything.

 

Conclusion, my system doesn’t like LibreOffice.

It certainly isn’t unusable, and if I need something other than Microsoft Office for a CSV file format or something, I will use this, but for me, it would never replace Microsoft Office.  But, I am glad it is there for those who cannot afford Microsoft’s products.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus, but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: December 2, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.

 

 

On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Chris Hill
 

Interesting.  Wonder if you have something going on with display drivers or some such.  To me, programs other than Microsoft Office aren't going to get the speech support, and if you've have to deal with files from ms office, you'd better stick with it.  Nothing is more miserable than a botched file conversion, and you never know how good conversions will actually be.  I have found that Libreoffice and other programs are useful when you hit files that MS doesn't bother supporting anymore.  I found a .wri file a while back, and MS wouldn't read it even though it came from old Windows Write.  I used either Openoffice or Libreoffice and it had no trouble.



On 12/2/2020 10:51, Richard Turner wrote:

Well, with Jaws 2021 the menus read fine.

However, in case you didn’t know, the “Support assistive technology tools (program restart required) check box‑ checked‑ “  checks itself apparently when it detects a screen reader.

I tried unchecking it, applying the changes, hitting OK and restarting LibreOffice to see if it made a difference and since it made no difference, I checked again and low and behold, it was checked again without my doing anything.

 

Conclusion, my system doesn’t like LibreOffice.

It certainly isn’t unusable, and if I need something other than Microsoft Office for a CSV file format or something, I will use this, but for me, it would never replace Microsoft Office.  But, I am glad it is there for those who cannot afford Microsoft’s products.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Aha..so there is. I had forgotten about that. That still doesn’t make old JFW versions read the menus, but hey…yeah, make sure that’s checked.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: December 2, 2020 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.

 

 

On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively.  No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


Richard Turner
 

Hello all,

My last comment on this is that for me, and again, just for me, Office is amazingly snappy, but LibreOffice, even using its own format with a fresh document, is sluggish.

So, if I need it to open and convert an old file type or something, but I personally cannot recommend it based on my experience.

Open Office actually was snappier, but as David pointed out, it is no longer being developed now that LibreOffice is the focus of that project.

 

I will drop them some feedback but this is no big deal to me, I was just checking it out.

I’m done now.

 

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively.  No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


Glenn / Lenny
 


Yeah, I've never experienced sluggishness either, and I haven't made any changes with it.
Maybe it's something in the most recent Libra, as mine is not updated.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hill
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Free word processors

You might want to check to make sure accessibility is set right in libre-ofice.  I'm not having the issues you mention about sluggishness or something strange being spoken after character movement.  There is an accessibility section under tools/options, the first checkbox probably needs checked.



On 12/2/2020 09:53, Richard Turner wrote:

Two things.

I’m pasting the link to the help documentation online so you can read through its offerings.

 

Also, it is very sluggish with both Jaws and NVDA.  There is a dealy after each character when you arrow over it or when you type.

If I had to depend on this for all my Office type needs, I think this would get frustrating.

 

Are there scripts or settings that can be changed to help this?

Here is the help link:

Start Center (libreoffice.org)

 

 

Richard

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.

There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."

--Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

 

*I’m not the card shark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

I went to the Libreoffice site but could not find out just what is included in this suite. I know it has word processing but what other aps are included?

Thanks, Marie

 

 

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:25 AM

Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi. OpenOffice and LibreOffice are very similar and they may appear identical on the surface, especially for users of screen readers. However, OpenOffice has a very slow development cycle. LibreOffice receives many more updates and feature additions and should offer even better compatibility with more complex Office files. Therefore, I highly recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 12/2/2020 8:18 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I would not depend on Google Docs. Open Office works fine until someone can get Word.I am not sure about the other one that has been mentioned Libre or something like that.

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy



On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:02 AM, David Griffith mailto:daj.griffith@... wrote:



I have never used Google Docs precisely because of this problem but apparently checking on Google last week there are instructions for using Google docs offline. As far as I can see though this is certainly not the default and ironically you need to be online to make this setting change. So I imagine that if, for example, your Wi-Fi suddenly goes down you may indeed be locked out of all your documents.

Someone  who actually uses Google Docs may be able to comment definitely  on this though.

David G.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 02 December 2020 09:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

Hi, Ann,

This was such a great question. I know someone who needs a different wordprocessor until they can get MS Word again.

Someone suggested Google Docs. A month or two ago, I would not have recommended it. However, this was because I never had any luck with it. I was wondering, what if someone is not always near a WI-FI connection, will Google Docs still work, or would another program work better? I'm just curious.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of ann

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 2:59 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Free word processors

 

                Hi everyone,

 

With all the latest talk about Jarte, and how it may be going away eventually due to lack of development, I was wondering what other free word processors work well with Jaws? How about Open Office or Libre Office?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

~Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


JM Casey
 

It does. But I guess questioning whether, for instance, complicated formatting done with libre will translate effectively to MS when someone accesses your documents using the more commercial product is a fair question, and it’s one I don’t really know the answer to. For most people though, I don’t *think* it’d be a problem.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: December 2, 2020 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Free word processors

 

LibreOffice supports all MS-Office file formats natively.  No conversions are necessary, and it can save in those formats natively, too.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide