Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?

 Yes, there is a work around.  It's called Google Chrome.  To be perfectly blunt, I don't understand why anyone still bothers with Firefox.  It is a screwed up mess, constantly crashes, and seems to become less accessible with each successive release.  And most blind-friendly extensions like Webvisum and Navigational Sounds no longer work.  Mozilla betrayed its blind users by promising a new era in accessibility when they hired one of the developers of NVDA four years ago, but this has not materialized.  Whatever happened to this guy?  Is he still with Mozilla?  Or did he get laid off along with 250 other employees?

Gerald

On 8/31/2020 4:48 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?

 Yes, there is a work around.  It's called Google Chrome.  To be perfectly blunt, I don't understand why anyone still bothers with Firefox.  It is a screwed up mess, constantly crashes, and seems to become less accessible with each successive release.  And most blind-friendly extensions like Webvisum and Navigational Sounds no longer work.  Mozilla betrayed its blind users by promising a new era in accessibility when they hired one of the developers of NVDA four years ago, but this has not materialized.  Whatever happened to this guy?  Is he still with Mozilla?  Or did he get laid off along with 250 other employees?

Gerald

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?

 Yes, there is a work around.  It's called Google Chrome.  To be perfectly blunt, I don't understand why anyone still bothers with Firefox.  It is a screwed up mess, constantly crashes, and seems to become less accessible with each successive release.  And most blind-friendly extensions like Webvisum and Navigational Sounds no longer work.  Mozilla betrayed its blind users by promising a new era in accessibility when they hired one of the developers of NVDA four years ago, but this has not materialized.  Whatever happened to this guy?  Is he still with Mozilla?  Or did he get laid off along with 250 other employees?

Gerald

On 8/31/2020 4:48 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla

Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I

am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to

version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a

Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a

button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only

have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled

this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure

it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with

NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to

determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others

noticed this and is there a workaround for this?

--

David Goldfield,

Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org

Hi,

I spoke with someone at Freedom Scientific (or whatever they call it now) and she said they are well aware of Firefox crashing. She didn’t go into details but I gathered they don’t think it is a JAWS problem but rather something with Firefox. But again, she didn’t say that in so many words.

Shirley

Shirley Tracy

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla

Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I

am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to

version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a

Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a

button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only

have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled

this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure

it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with

NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to

determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others

noticed this and is there a workaround for this?

--

David Goldfield,

Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

www.davidgoldfield.org

Lol…yeah, meanwhile it seems like most NVDA users don’t have these problems..I wonder why that is? Coincidence? Like I said though, Firefox 8 seems stable at the moment on my desktop here, which at least is running JAWS still half the time or more (it’s an older version, too…)

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: August 31, 2020 7:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

 

Hi,

 

I spoke with someone at Freedom Scientific (or whatever they call it now) and she said they are well aware of Firefox crashing. She didn’t go into details but I gathered they don’t think it is a JAWS problem but rather something with Firefox. But again, she didn’t say that in so many words.

 

Shirley

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: David Goldfield
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

 

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

 

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla

Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I

am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to

version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a

Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a

button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only

have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled

this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure

it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with

NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to

determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others

noticed this and is there a workaround for this?

 

 

--

David Goldfield,

Assistive Technology Specialist

 

JAWS Certified, 2019

 

www.davidgoldfield.org

 

 

 

 

There is an old saying that bad work men always blame their tools.  Well, software developers always blame other developer's software.  Cheers!

Lol…yeah, meanwhile it seems like most NVDA users don’t have these problems..I wonder why that is? Coincidence? Like I said though, Firefox 8 seems stable at the moment on my desktop here, which at least is running JAWS still half the time or more (it’s an older version, too…)

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: August 31, 2020 7:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

 

Hi,

 

I spoke with someone at Freedom Scientific (or whatever they call it now) and she said they are well aware of Firefox crashing. She didn’t go into details but I gathered they don’t think it is a JAWS problem but rather something with Firefox. But again, she didn’t say that in so many words.

 

Shirley

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: David Goldfield
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

 

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

 

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla

Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I

am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to

version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a

Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a

button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only

have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled

this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure

it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with

NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to

determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others

noticed this and is there a workaround for this?

 

 

--

David Goldfield,

Assistive Technology Specialist

 

JAWS Certified, 2019

 

www.davidgoldfield.org

 

 

 

 

There is an old saying that bad work men always blame their tools.  Well, software developers always blame other developer's software.  Cheers!

Lol…yeah, meanwhile it seems like most NVDA users don’t have these problems..I wonder why that is? Coincidence? Like I said though, Firefox 8 seems stable at the moment on my desktop here, which at least is running JAWS still half the time or more (it’s an older version, too…)

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: August 31, 2020 7:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

 

Hi,

 

I spoke with someone at Freedom Scientific (or whatever they call it now) and she said they are well aware of Firefox crashing. She didn’t go into details but I gathered they don’t think it is a JAWS problem but rather something with Firefox. But again, she didn’t say that in so many words.

 

Shirley

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: David Goldfield
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80

 

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

 

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla

Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I

am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to

version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a

Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a

button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only

have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled

this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure

it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with

NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to

determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others

noticed this and is there a workaround for this?

 

 

--

David Goldfield,

Assistive Technology Specialist

 

JAWS Certified, 2019

 

www.davidgoldfield.org

 

 

 

 

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?

I've noticed crashes on some sites but others work fine.  Version 80 was fine for me, it was 80.2 that did me in.  Or was when I updated JAWS to the latest build.


I continue to use Firefox with the Reader (seems to be highly similar to Edge's Immersive Reader   on sites where I can like audible.com, Political Wire etc.

On 8/31/2020 5:48 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.

Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?