moderated JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80
David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.
Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this? -- David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 www.davidgoldfield.org
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Lino Morales
No crashing issues here. On 8/31/2020 4:48 PM, David Goldfield
wrote:
> Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80. > > Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla > Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem > but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated > to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating > through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and > presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are > rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco > Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a > difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I > encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far > haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the > crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is > there a workaround for this? > >
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Gerald Levy
Yes, there is a work around. It's called Google Chrome. To be perfectly blunt, I don't understand why anyone still bothers with Firefox. It is a screwed up mess, constantly crashes, and seems to become less accessible with each successive release. And most blind-friendly extensions like Webvisum and Navigational Sounds no longer work. Mozilla betrayed its blind users by promising a new era in accessibility when they hired one of the developers of NVDA four years ago, but this has not materialized. Whatever happened to this guy? Is he still with Mozilla? Or did he get laid off along with 250 other employees?
Gerald
On 8/31/2020 4:48 PM, David Goldfield
wrote:
Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.
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Lino Morales
Gerald why the hell you got to be so damn negative? Marko Z is
still fighting along with James Teh formily of NV Access. FF is
still very much accessible. Its our chose what browser we use. I
like both FF and Edge. Edge is a speed demon as far as loading
pages. I know FF has had issues with JFW. If you'd like, but I
doubt you will take your issues up with the FF DEVS at Mozilla.
On 8/31/2020 5:59 PM, Gerald Levy via
groups.io wrote:
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JM Casey
If one thing can be said for the complexity of the modern computing environment experience, it’s that no experiences appear to be universal – running Firefox 80 and happy to report not a single crash yet. I do still use Chrome also and like it for some things, but Firefox is still my first choice. Usually either one of them will do the trick. I appreciate Chrome for speed and how nicely it works with, for instance, youtube (not surprising as that’s also a google product).
There was a problem with version 78 or so I believe, but Mozilla does seem to be pretty quick to fix issues on their end when they emerge.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: August 31, 2020 5:59 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80
Yes, there is a work around. It's called Google Chrome. To be perfectly blunt, I don't understand why anyone still bothers with Firefox. It is a screwed up mess, constantly crashes, and seems to become less accessible with each successive release. And most blind-friendly extensions like Webvisum and Navigational Sounds no longer work. Mozilla betrayed its blind users by promising a new era in accessibility when they hired one of the developers of NVDA four years ago, but this has not materialized. Whatever happened to this guy? Is he still with Mozilla? Or did he get laid off along with 250 other employees?
Gerald
On 8/31/2020 4:48 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
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Chris Hill
Well, I bother with firefox because of the facebook container plugin, and I like the way menus work much better than chrome. Besides that, before the most recent update of Jaws, chrome and chromium-based edge would crash on my local news station kmiz.com website. FF80 is purring like a kitten here with the latest release of jaws.
On 8/31/2020 16:59, Gerald Levy via
groups.io wrote:
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Shirley Tracy
Hi,
I spoke with someone at Freedom Scientific (or whatever they call it now) and she said they are well aware of Firefox crashing. She didn’t go into details but I gathered they don’t think it is a JAWS problem but rather something with Firefox. But again, she didn’t say that in so many words.
Shirley
Shirley Tracy
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:48 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80
Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.
Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?
-- David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
www.davidgoldfield.org
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JM Casey
Lol…yeah, meanwhile it seems like most NVDA users don’t have these problems..I wonder why that is? Coincidence? Like I said though, Firefox 8 seems stable at the moment on my desktop here, which at least is running JAWS still half the time or more (it’s an older version, too…)
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Tracy
Sent: August 31, 2020 7:19 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80
Hi,
I spoke with someone at Freedom Scientific (or whatever they call it now) and she said they are well aware of Firefox crashing. She didn’t go into details but I gathered they don’t think it is a JAWS problem but rather something with Firefox. But again, she didn’t say that in so many words.
Shirley
Shirley Tracy
From: David Goldfield
Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.
Recently someone else on this list reported crashes with Mozilla Firefox. At the time I didn't know what to think about the problem but I am now encountering this and I noticed it after Firefox updated to version 80. After a short period of time of just navigating through a Web page Firefox reports that the tab has crashed and presents me with a button to restore the tab. These crashes are rather frequent. I only have one extension running which is for Cisco Webex and I have disabled this extension to see if this makes a difference. I'm not entirely sure it's just a JAWS issue as I encountered this crash when testing with NVDA although I so far haven't tried Firefox 80 with NVDA long enough to determine if the crashing is happening as frequently. Have others noticed this and is there a workaround for this?
-- David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
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Jaffar Sidek
There is an old saying that bad work men always blame their
tools. Well, software developers always blame other developer's
software. Cheers!
On 1/9/2020 7:49 am, JM Casey wrote:
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JM Casey
Right. And of course, I meant Firefox 80, not 8…
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: August 31, 2020 8:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80
There is an old saying that bad work men always blame their tools. Well, software developers always blame other developer's software. Cheers! On 1/9/2020 7:49 am, JM Casey wrote:
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Shirley Tracy
Yes, they do.
Cheerfully,
Shirley Tracy
From: Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 8:43 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS 2020 August Release: Frequent Crashes With Firefox 80
There is an old saying that bad work men always blame their tools. Well, software developers always blame other developer's software. Cheers! On 1/9/2020 7:49 am, JM Casey wrote:
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Jim Pursley
I've noticed crashes on some sites but others work fine. Version 80 was fine for me, it was 80.2 that did me in. Or was when I updated JAWS to the latest build.
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I continue to use Firefox with the Reader (seems to be highly similar to Edge's Immersive Reader on sites where I can like audible.com, Political Wire etc.
On 8/31/2020 5:48 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
Using Win10 version 1909, JAWS 2020 for August and Firefox 80.
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Chris Hill
Latest ff is 80.0.1. I have yet to have it crash. Can you suggest a site?
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On 9/2/2020 19:54, Jim Pursley wrote:
I've noticed crashes on some sites but others work fine. Version 80 was fine for me, it was 80.2 that did me in. Or was when I updated JAWS to the latest build.
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