moderated assigning custom label with jaws.
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Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...>
Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Justin Williams
Maybe if you have a braille display, you can try that.
Try another version of JAWs, or turn off the virtual cursor.
I'll bet you that you have tried these options already, but that is where I would start.
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:16 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...>
Ye, tried both of these. I don’t have a Braille display.
Cheers,
pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 13:11 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Maybe if you have a braille display, you can try that.
Try another version of JAWs, or turn off the virtual cursor.
I'll bet you that you have tried these options already, but that is where I would start.
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Justin Williams
You might can try using just the JAWS cursor and see what you get.
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:16 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Justin Williams
Attempt it with the new firefox. Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:19 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Ye, tried both of these. I don’t have a Braille display.
Cheers,
pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Maybe if you have a braille display, you can try that.
Try another version of JAWs, or turn off the virtual cursor.
I'll bet you that you have tried these options already, but that is where I would start.
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Mike B.
Have you tried settings your graphics settings to, Labeled
graphics, in either quick settings, Insert + V, or in the application settings
center, just to see if this would read the graphics better?
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Learn a lesson from your dog. No matter what life brings you, kick some grass over that crap and move on!
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws. Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...>
I tried routing the pc to jaws cursor and using left click. Didn’t work. I have read that the latest version of firefox is unstable. Don’t want to mess up the computer just for custom label.
Cheers,
pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 13:21 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Attempt it with the new firefox. Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Ye, tried both of these. I don’t have a Braille display.
Cheers,
pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Maybe if you have a braille display, you can try that.
Try another version of JAWs, or turn off the virtual cursor.
I'll bet you that you have tried these options already, but that is where I would start.
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...>
Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.
pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 13:29 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Have you tried settings your graphics settings to, Labeled graphics, in either quick settings, Insert + V, or in the application settings center, just to see if this would read the graphics better?
----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Murphy Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:16 AM Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Mike B.
Change the setting just to see if it helps. Nothing
ventured....
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Learn a lesson from your dog. No matter what life brings you, kick some grass over that crap and move on!
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws. Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.
pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Have you tried settings your graphics settings to, Labeled graphics, in either quick settings, Insert + V, or in the application settings center, just to see if this would read the graphics better?
----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Murphy Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:16 AM Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...>
Hi,
What setting are yu referring to? Pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 14:20 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Change the setting just to see if it helps. Nothing ventured....
----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Murphy Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:37 AM Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.
pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Have you tried settings your graphics settings to, Labeled graphics, in either quick settings, Insert + V, or in the application settings center, just to see if this would read the graphics better?
----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Murphy Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:16 AM Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
I think Mike was referring to the labeled graphics, but poking around in the various graphics settings, have you double checked the minimum and maximum graphics sizes to make sure what you are trying to grab are not outside of those parameters? It is a setting called Graphic recognition dimensions.
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:53 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Hi,
What setting are yu referring to? Pat
From:
main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Mike B
Change the setting just to see if it helps. Nothing ventured....
----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Murphy Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:37 AM Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.
pat
From:
main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Mike B
Have you tried settings your graphics settings to, Labeled graphics, in either quick settings, Insert + V, or in the application settings center, just to see if this would read the graphics better?
----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Murphy Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:16 AM Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Mike B.
Hi Pat,
I'm referring to quick settings while you're on the Buffalo
link or opening the settings center while on the Buffalo link.
While on the Buffalo link, if you open quick settings with the
keystroke, Insert + V, under the, General options heading, look for the Graphics
option. You have 3 choices All, Labeled and None. You use the
spacebar to toggle through them.
While on the Buffalo link, if you open the Settings Center
with the keystroke, Insert + 6, on the number row, down arrow to, Graphics &
Symbols, if closed right arrow to open, down arrow to, Graphics verboscity, and
use the spacebar to toggle through the options like in quick settings.
With either, if you make any changes, make sure to tab to and press enter on,
Okay, after making a settings change.
Another thought would be to see if the picture smart feature
of J2020 might be able to catpture something.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws. Hi,
What setting are yu referring to? Pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Change the setting just to see if it helps. Nothing ventured....
----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Murphy Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:37 AM Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.
pat
From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Have you tried settings your graphics settings to, Labeled graphics, in either quick settings, Insert + V, or in the application settings center, just to see if this would read the graphics better?
----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Murphy Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:16 AM Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws.
Hi,
I have tried this with both jaws 2018 and 2020 (latest update). My windows 10 is also totally up to date, as just checked this morning. I have a buffalo link station that i am using for storage. When you try to shut it down, or remove an external usb disk, a confirmation number is asked for. There are four numbers in total that you have to enter, e.g. 1234. The numbers present themselves on the screen as graphics. They are read by jaws as: “graphic number_1” “graphic_number2” “graphic_number3” and “graphic_number4”. Obviously, these are pictures. This has been confirmed by my son. The number sequence changes, it is not always the same number, but given that, so does the picture, as it has a different number. In the old internet explorer, i was able to assign a custom label to these numbers. Once my son helped me to go through each number from 0 to 9, the graphics were read out correctly, no matter what sequence they appeared in. Now, with google chrome, ms edge and brave, there does not seem to be any way to set a custom label. Jaws is telling me that this cannot be done. It could be that the pictures are not clickable or something like that. Can you only create a custom label for an element on a web page that is actionable? If so, why would internet explorer allow this, and no chrome based browser will? From what i have read, jaws should be able to create a custom label for anything whether it is actionable or not. Surely, this is the point of these. If there is a graphic on a web site that you just want to know what it is, a custom label should be creatable. Am i wrong? If so, can anyone provide an idea as to how to overcome this? At the moment, if i want to do anything with my link station, i have to wait until someone who can see is there. Please do not tell me to get another nas, this is not an option.
Kind regards,
pat
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Orlando Enrique Fiol
At 08:37 AM 7/22/2020, Patrick Murphy wrote:
Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic.You can, Pat. Just route the JAWS cursor to each of the graphics and label them with insert+G. If the numbers that appear as graphics are displayed in different permutations each time you visit the site, the labeled graphics will be read as they appear, which makes them quite flexible. Custom labels are not used for labeling graphics; they're for labeling controls that JAWS reports as "unlabeled" (E.G. buttons). But these are not unlabeled controls; they're graphics. So use the graphics labeler rather than the custom labeler. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018 Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Charlotte, North Carolina Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: ofiol@verizon.net
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Mike B.
Here's how to use the graphics labeler:
Creating a Graphic Label Manually
To practice creating a Graphic Label, use HJPad. To launch HJPad go to Start, Programs, JAWS X (where X is the JAWS version number), Run HJPad. Using the Graphics Labeler is easy, but before you start ensure that you have speak graphics verbosity turned on. Follow these steps to be sure: With HJPad open, press INSERT+V to bring up the Verbosity dialog box. Press G to move to the Graphics Verbosity item in the list box. Press the SPACEBAR until you hear JAWS say, "All graphics," and then press ENTER. Now that all graphics will be spoken, you are ready to find a graphic to label. Press the NUM PAD MINUS key to activate the JAWS cursor. Tip: To navigate to the toolbar, first press PAGE UP to move to the top of the window, and then press HOME to move to the top, left. Use the arrow keys to move to the first toolbar button. You will hear, "Graphic XXX." XXX can indicate any number. Press INSERT+G to open the Graphics Labeler. When the Graphics Labeler is opened, the focus is in the edit field, where you should enter the label for the graphic. It will contain the graphic number. Press the delete key to remove the number then, type the name for your graphic. Press the TAB key to move to the Braille label field. Here you can enter a label for a Braille display. Next press the TAB key to move to a group of radio buttons that will let you determine where you want to save the label, in the application file, default file, or both files. Choose the application file. Press ENTER to activate your graphic label. Note: To edit a graphic label, use the same procedure that you would to create a new graphic label, and just change the name of the label in the Graphics Labeler when it opens. To delete a graphic label, do the same, but delete the name in the Graphics Labeler. Using the Auto Graphics Labeler The Auto Graphics Labeler assigns a text label to all graphics that are associated with ToolTips. A ToolTip is a brief description of a graphic that appears on the screen as you point to the graphic with your mouse. To activate the Auto Graphics Labeler, open the desired application, and press CTRL+INSERT+G. JAWS will attempt to label all graphics. Do not move the mouse or press any keys on the keyboard until JAWS states that the Auto Graphics Labeler is finished. When JAWS finishes, it will announce the newly labeled graphics. After using the Auto Graphics Labeler, you can use CTRL+INSERT+SHIFT+G to bring up the Select Graphic to Click Dialog box. With this dialog box, you can use your arrow keys to move through the available graphics, and then press the TAB key to move to the OK button and press ENTER to activate the graphic you selected. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go
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Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws. >Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic. You can, Pat. Just route the JAWS cursor to each of the graphics and label them with insert+G. If the numbers that appear as graphics are displayed in different permutations each time you visit the site, the labeled graphics will be read as they appear, which makes them quite flexible. Custom labels are not used for labeling graphics; they're for labeling controls that JAWS reports as "unlabeled" (E.G. buttons). But these are not unlabeled controls; they're graphics. So use the graphics labeler rather than the custom labeler. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018 Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Charlotte, North Carolina Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: ofiol@...
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Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...>
Hi Enrique,
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i tried your suggestion. insert+g opens the graphics labeler, but jaws tells me that i am not on a graphic with the jaws cursor. i have routed it to the graphic, i even did a lef click on it just to be sure, but it still says that it is not positioned. the only thing i have discovered, and quite by accident, is that the custom label sticks, even though jaws does not read it. then, if i press insert+ctrl+g, jaws gives me a list of graphics. the graphics i have assigned a custome label to then show their custom labels, but this is a real pain. the graphics hold numbers, which are confirmation numbers for a shutdown. the same graphics appear if you want to dismount a disk. i suppose, that if there is no other way to do this, the custom label option and insert+ctrl+g will have to do. however, if you have another idea, i would be greatful for it. these must be some sort of funny type of graphics. i informed buffalo about it last year, and they said they would do something about it. however, as we all know, big companies dont pay any attention to this, as we are in the minority, and especially when it comes to things like nas devices. cheers anyway, pat
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via groups.io Sent: Wednesday 22 July 2020 18:14 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: assigning custom label with jaws. At 08:37 AM 7/22/2020, Patrick Murphy wrote: >Ye, that might work, if only I could actually label the graphic. You can, Pat. Just route the JAWS cursor to each of the graphics and label them with insert+G. If the numbers that appear as graphics are displayed in different permutations each time you visit the site, the labeled graphics will be read as they appear, which makes them quite flexible. Custom labels are not used for labeling graphics; they're for labeling controls that JAWS reports as "unlabeled" (E.G. buttons). But these are not unlabeled controls; they're graphics. So use the graphics labeler rather than the custom labeler. Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018 Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue Charlotte, North Carolina Home: (980) 585-1516 Mobile: (267) 971-7090 Email: ofiol@verizon.net
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