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moderated Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


Gerald Levy
 


Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  


Gerald



On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Hello Geralt,

Thank you for your information and concern. I know everything you are talking about, but I am just used to the oftware, plus I prefer Russian telemetry than the American telemetry.

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


David Ingram
 

update?

-----Original Message-----
From: Arkadiusz Świętnicki
Sent: Mar 4, 2020 5:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Hello Geralt,

Thank you for your information and concern. I know everything you are talking about, but I am just used to the oftware, plus I prefer Russian telemetry than the American telemetry.

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

What do you mean?

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

update?

-----Original Message-----
From: Arkadiusz Świętnicki
Sent: Mar 4, 2020 5:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


Hello Geralt,

Thank you for your information and concern. I know everything you are talking about, but I am just used to the oftware, plus I prefer Russian telemetry than the American telemetry.

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


Rick Mladek
 

Pozdrawiam,

 

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


Gerald Levy
 


Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states,  have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government.  This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.  Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.  


Gerald


 

On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

 

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


Rick Mladek
 

Start your political nonsense group, you have no right throwing this out when this list is for Jaws, not your political views forced down the throats of those not within the United States. Stop it already!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states,  have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government.  This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.  Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

 

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Friends, please stay civil wherever possible. He just expressed his opinion, with which I disagree, but it’s his right, I guess. Now let’s back to Jawsing please?

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

Start your political nonsense group, you have no right throwing this out when this list is for Jaws, not your political views forced down the throats of those not within the United States. Stop it already!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states,  have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government.  This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.  Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

 

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


Jschliff@...
 

I agree, I am on the verge of leaving this group because there are instances where the group loses focus on its real purpose, Jaws and it’s solutions to provide all of us with real meaningful use of our computers.  I am too busy to follow the nonsense!

 

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

Start your political nonsense group, you have no right throwing this out when this list is for Jaws, not your political views forced down the throats of those not within the United States. Stop it already!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states,  have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government.  This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.  Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

 

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

I wish there were more groups about JFW.

 

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jschliff@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

I agree, I am on the verge of leaving this group because there are instances where the group loses focus on its real purpose, Jaws and it’s solutions to provide all of us with real meaningful use of our computers.  I am too busy to follow the nonsense!

 

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

Start your political nonsense group, you have no right throwing this out when this list is for Jaws, not your political views forced down the throats of those not within the United States. Stop it already!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states,  have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government.  This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.  Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

 

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

 


Mario
 

BTW, Pozdrawiam means Best Regards. it is not a name.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@neo.rr.com]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 7:52 AM
Subject: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS
Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political
comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around
the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all
here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are
based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even
be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of
the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close
ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are
true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and
totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I
won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being
able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or
shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a
while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program
update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and
reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do.
For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch
cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you
access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or
Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel
that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I
learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write
some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can
happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019



WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user
from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design
and other things. I have came here to discuss this great
screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best
of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the
touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno


Rick Mladek
 

I did copy down the incorrect line, thank you for pointing that out. No disrespect to our new member of this list. I also ask all to accept my apology for my defending all of our rights to this list and not attacking those foreign to the United States with political jargon. I'll close this note and ask all to do so as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

BTW, Pozdrawiam means Best Regards. it is not a name.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@neo.rr.com]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 7:52 AM
Subject: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I
won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being
able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or
shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a
while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program
update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and
reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do.
For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch
cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you
access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or
Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel
that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I
learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write
some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can
happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019



WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user
from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design
and other things. I have came here to discuss this great
screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best
of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the
touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno


Arkadiusz Świętnicki
 

Everything is allright. Wherever are people, there are opinions and stuff... By the way, anyone have an idea what to do about KTS?

Pozdrawiam,
Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

I did copy down the incorrect line, thank you for pointing that out. No disrespect to our new member of this list. I also ask all to accept my apology for my defending all of our rights to this list and not attacking those foreign to the United States with political jargon. I'll close this note and ask all to do so as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

BTW, Pozdrawiam means Best Regards. it is not a name.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Rick Mladek [mailto:hmladek@neo.rr.com]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 7:52 AM
Subject: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both
JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I
won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a
JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a
detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with
Kaspersky.

<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When
using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being
able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or
shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a
while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program
update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and
reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do.
For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch
cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you
access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or
Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel
that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I
learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write
some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can
happen.

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019



WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user
from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design
and other things. I have came here to discuss this great
screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best
of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this
software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty
wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK,
however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to
work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the
touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s
interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use
it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno


Glenn / Lenny
 


Hell, I am not sure if I even trust American antivirus developers, I have wondered if they create the viruses they later fix.
But I too have had concerns about off-shore antivirus software developers.
I think any mention of such concerns are valid in any forum.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS


Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states,  have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government.  This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.  Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.  


Gerald



On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno


John Covici
 

Kaspersky has always had some accessibility problems, security folks
are recomending to just use windows defender these days as long as you
are careful where you go on the web.

On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 08:49:45 -0500,
Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

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Friends, please stay civil wherever possible. He just expressed his opinion, with which I disagree, but it’s his right, I guess. Now let’s back to Jawsing please?



Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS



Start your political nonsense group, you have no right throwing this out when this list is for Jaws, not your political views forced down the throats of those not within the United States. Stop it already!



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS





Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states, have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government. This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire. Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.



Gerald





On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,



So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.







From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS





Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia? There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?



Gerald





On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. <https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/> When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.org>

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno








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Larry Wayland
 

You know, I have wondered the same thing.  That is one reason I use micro Soft’s protection.  I figure since it is free and is protecting their own property it would work well enough.

Larry

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

Hell, I am not sure if I even trust American antivirus developers, I have wondered if they create the viruses they later fix.

But I too have had concerns about off-shore antivirus software developers.

I think any mention of such concerns are valid in any forum.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 7:19 AM

Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

 

 

Excuse me, but other list members, the vast majority of whom live here in the states,  have the right to full disclosure about Kaspersky Labs and its ties to the hostle Russian government.  This Moscow-based company has been banned from doing business with US government agencies, so as the saying goes, where' there's smoke, there's fire.  Although Kaspersky's anti-virus products may be legit, the company's real mission is highly questionable, regardless of anyone's political beliefs, and I personally would not trust their software products when Windows Security is free and probably just as effective. But to each, his own.  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/4/2020 7:52 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Pozdrawiam,

So much for international relations. Please ignore those political comments. Truly not necessary when dealing with individuals from around the globe. Please Gerald, remember this when addressing our Friends all here about Jaws and not anything more.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Greetings and Kaspersky Total Security with JAWS

Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?  

Gerald

On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky. When using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while. I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno


Emre Rencber
 

I think Windows Defender is useless. Better than ever. It does nothing
but see harmless programs and allow viruses.

2020-03-04 14:30 GMT+03:00, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>:


Why would anyone trust a paid anti-virus program who developers are
based in Russia?  There have been allegations that this company may even
be involved in the Russian hacking scheme to influence the outcomes of
the 2016 and now the 2020 elections, and that it may even have close
ties to Vladimir Puten. I have no idea whether these allegations are
true or not, but why take chances when Windows Security is free and
totally accessible and does a satisfactory job?


Gerald



On 3/3/2020 9:36 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

Hello. While I have not used Kaspersky Total Security I have been
using Kaspersky Antivirus for approximately five years with both JAWS
as well as with NVDA. I can definitely confirm your findings. I won't
say much about using Kaspersky with NVDA since this is a JAWS-specific
list. However, the following link will take you to a detailed review
which I wrote discussing NVDA's performance with Kaspersky.
<https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/>When

using Kaspersky Antivirus with JAWS I have sometimes seen JAWS being
able to read the various controls as I navigate to them with tab or
shift-tab but this accessibility seemed to stop working after a while.
I am guessing this could have been due to a Kaspersky program update
but I cannot confirm this without uninstalling it and reinstalling an
earlier version which I honestly don't wish to do. For now the tab key
reads nothing and, as you say, using the touch cursor is necessary
when navigating in the main window. If you access the program from the
system tray choosing the Settings or Task Manager options may be more
accessible with JAWS. I do feel that some scripting could solve for
many of these issues. Once I learn a little more about scripting I am
willing to try and write some Kaspersky scripts but it's going to be a
while before this can happen.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 3/3/2020 3:47 PM, Arkadiusz Świętnicki wrote:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from
Poland, primarily interested in programming, sound design and other
things. I have came here to discuss this great screenreader with you,
ask questions and help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS
support for the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software
and it is essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible..
The competing screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its
problems. Tab and Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the
PC Cursor mode. I have to use the touch cursor to operate the
software, and it is not always convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS’s interface
seems to be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I’m pretty new to JFW, I use it for
less than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno



Emre Rencber
 

Hello. I also use Kaspersky Total Security. I have no problems other
than accessibility. The installation of the program is in no way
accessible. Also, as you said, the navigation in the interface is only
provided with a touch pointer. I have been trying to convey these
issues to the Kaspersky developer team for years. Unfortunately, the
problem they solved in one version comes back in the next version. I
must say that it doesn't work properly with NVDA either. I want
Kaspersky to be accessible, too.

2020-03-03 23:47 GMT+03:00, Arkadiusz Świętnicki <nuno69a@gmail.com>:

Hello guys!

Thank you for letting me in in to your groups! I am a JAWS user from
Poland,
primarily interested in programming, sound design and other things. I have
came here to discuss this great screenreader with you, ask questions and
help others to the best of my ability.

The first problem I have noticed and wanted to discuss is JAWS support for
the Kaspersky Total Security package. I use this software and it is
essential for me to have this one pretty wellaccessible.. The competing
screenreader works with it OK, however JAWS has its problems. Tab and
Shift+Tab seem not to work at all while I am in the PC Cursor mode. I have
to use the touch cursor to operate the software, and it is not always
convenient to use this specific cursor.

Moreover this behavior is very illogical to me, as KTS's interface seems to
be standard WPF or something of that sorts.

Maybe I am doing something wrong (I'm pretty new to JFW, I use it for less
than a year).

Pozdrawiam,

Arkadiusz Świętnicki AKA. Nuno