Crowd Funding


Peter Donahue
 

Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer. Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead, still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad. Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.










Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Peter,
 
I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, & that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!  Who runs it?  Who manages the donations?  Does 100% of the donations go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover costs, & is that info divulged?  I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.  I personally am sick of donating  to organizations that say that they will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the money is eaten up by bullshit!
 
You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your
step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. End quote.
 
Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to put people in your corner!  What are you going to do, use donated funds to sue people?!
Take care.  Mike.  Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding

Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer. Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead, still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad. Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business.  Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business.  Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
> us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these expenses.
> People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
> and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
> crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
> technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
> sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
> assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's wonderful! All the best.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Jenni Kent
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: financing for jaws
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
> Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
> you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
> because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
> payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
> do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Peter, you sound very sharp to me - go for it!

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 10:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Crowd Funding

Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer. Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead, still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad. Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.










Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I do know of a woman in California, who has used Crowd Funding to raise money for her Mom and sister in Houston, whose house was flooded in Hurricane Harvey. I am guessing that a special account has to be set up for the purpose, probably with a tax number, but since I have not had that particular business experience I do not know the details associated with it.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 1:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, & that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it! Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point. I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer. Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead, still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad. Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> > wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.










 

If you haven't heard about crowdfunding you must not listen to the news, there is always somebody who does it to cover, as Peter said, expenses for a medical procedure, a funeral because maybe the primary earner of a family with kids died or got killed etc. Unfortunately you also often hear about people who think society is responsible to fund their education or their travels around the world and occasionally you hear of people who use natural disasters and the good will of others to raise money for themselves by pretending they have lost everything during a hurricane, wild fire etc.
Then of course there are sites like Kickstarter or Indiegogo which are exclusively dedicated for raising funds for a service or product.
One of the most popular for personal crowdfunding is probably GoFundMe.com and yes, these sites to of course charge some percentage or fee for use of their site/platform.
Maybe I was raised differently, but I couldn't do this at all, either I can afford to buy something or I can't, if I want it bad enough I work hard and save so I can afford it.
Anyhow, I think Peter made his point and some of us responded and made theirs and we should probably conclude this thread since it has precious little to do with the Jaws list except that Peter is trying to raise money for his and his wife's hardware and software purchases. I hope you remember to declare your future crowdfunding income with the IRS since it may be considered income and therefore is subject to income tax.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

I do know of a woman in California, who has used Crowd Funding to raise money for her Mom and sister in Houston, whose house was flooded in Hurricane Harvey. I am guessing that a special account has to be set up for the purpose, probably with a tax number, but since I have not had that particular business experience I do not know the details associated with it.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 1:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, & that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it! Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point. I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer. Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead, still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad. Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> > wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.










Jessica R.
 

Hi:
     With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage (usually fairly small).  I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in four weeks!  You do have to put your amount slightly above what you actually need to account for the percentage the site takes.  However, if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign.  Hope this helps!
Jessica
 
 

From: Mike B.
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding
 
Hi Peter,
 
I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, & that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!  Who runs it?  Who manages the donations?  Does 100% of the donations go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover costs, & is that info divulged?  I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.  I personally am sick of donating  to organizations that say that they will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the money is eaten up by bullshit!
 
You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your
step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. End quote.
 
Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to put people in your corner!  What are you going to do, use donated funds to sue people?!
Take care.  Mike.  Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding

Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer. Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead, still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad. Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business.  Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business.  Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
> us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these expenses.
> People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
> and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
> crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
> technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
> sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
> assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's wonderful! All the best.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Jenni Kent
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: financing for jaws
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
> Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
> you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
> because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
> payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
> do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







Gudrun Brunot
 

Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for heaven knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware and software up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between mainstream software and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these last two years in that regard that I feel almost burned out at times. I don't run to Rehab as soon as things go south. I try to afford what I need, but I can no longer totally subscribe to the belief that you should be able to work hard to pay for it if you need it badly enough. Often, you actually do need it badly enough, and, work as you might, or maybe you can't work enough due to technology glitches, you can't quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage (usually fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in four weeks! You do have to put your amount slightly above what you actually need to account for the percentage the site takes. However, if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, & that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it! Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point. I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your
step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer. Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead, still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad. Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.










Kelly Pierce
 

Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to
happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or
finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full
time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully
accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a
blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend
training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the
technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a
day until competency is achieved.

Kelly

On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for heaven
knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware and software
up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between mainstream software
and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these last two years in that
regard that I feel almost burned out at times. I don't run to Rehab as soon
as things go south. I try to afford what I need, but I can no longer totally
subscribe to the belief that you should be able to work hard to pay for it
if you need it badly enough. Often, you actually do need it badly enough,
and, work as you might, or maybe you can't work enough due to technology
glitches, you can't quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your
family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica
Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage (usually
fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed to purchase a
BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in four weeks! You do
have to put your amount slightly above what you actually need to account for
the percentage the site takes. However, if you receive donations in hand
you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this Crowd
Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, & that doesn't
mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations go to
the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover costs, & is
that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they will
do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the money is eaten
up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for
personal or business matters begging watch your
step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my
wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to put
people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated funds to sue
people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society including
those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is not promoted as
such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public awareness of the
existence of assistive technology and what users of this technology must do
to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and for many
other purposes why not tap into this means of creating revenue to cover the
cost of buying and maintaining assistive technology. Large corporations also
use crowd funding to start and grow their existing business ventures or to
start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer. Those
making such statements about this occupation are either dead, still broke
and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things we need
without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance program and are
closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone wants to start calling
widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging
watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of
buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions
of Jaws. Now let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our
assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with
disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.





















Peter Donahue
 

Hello Kelly and everyone,

And develop a backup income should something happen to your job and to give you something mor than just a stinking pention or Social Security Check after you retire, are laid off, or some other unexpected calamity your employment income can't address completely including keeping assistive technology up and running. Income sources such as Crowdfunding, network marketing and other vehicles needed to protect one's income and ability to maintain their assistive technology must be pursued in addition to one's primary income such as earnings from their employment. It's called not putting all of your eggs in one basket.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for
heaven knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware
and software up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between
mainstream software and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these
last two years in that regard that I feel almost burned out at times.
I don't run to Rehab as soon as things go south. I try to afford what
I need, but I can no longer totally subscribe to the belief that you
should be able to work hard to pay for it if you need it badly enough.
Often, you actually do need it badly enough, and, work as you might,
or maybe you can't work enough due to technology glitches, you can't
quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jessica Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage
(usually fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed
to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in
four weeks! You do have to put your amount slightly above what you
actually need to account for the percentage the site takes. However,
if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this
Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, &
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations
go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover
costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they
will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the
money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds
for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to
put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated
funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society
including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is
not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public
awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of
this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and
for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating
revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive
technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and
grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer.
Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead,
still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things
we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance
program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone
wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal
or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you
will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when
it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the
crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology
and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.





















Gudrun Brunot
 

Right on, Peter. Independence means accomplishing what you need, using the means that work best: money in the bank; your good salary; your so-so salary and other means.

Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hello Kelly and everyone,

And develop a backup income should something happen to your job and to give you something mor than just a stinking pention or Social Security Check after you retire, are laid off, or some other unexpected calamity your employment income can't address completely including keeping assistive technology up and running. Income sources such as Crowdfunding, network marketing and other vehicles needed to protect one's income and ability to maintain their assistive technology must be pursued in addition to one's primary income such as earnings from their employment. It's called not putting all of your eggs in one basket.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for
heaven knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware
and software up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between
mainstream software and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these
last two years in that regard that I feel almost burned out at times.
I don't run to Rehab as soon as things go south. I try to afford what
I need, but I can no longer totally subscribe to the belief that you
should be able to work hard to pay for it if you need it badly enough.
Often, you actually do need it badly enough, and, work as you might,
or maybe you can't work enough due to technology glitches, you can't
quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jessica Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage
(usually fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed
to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in
four weeks! You do have to put your amount slightly above what you
actually need to account for the percentage the site takes. However,
if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this
Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, &
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations
go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover
costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they
will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the
money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds
for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to
put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated
funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society
including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is
not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public
awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of
this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and
for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating
revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive
technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and
grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer.
Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead,
still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things
we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance
program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone
wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal
or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you
will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when
it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the
crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology
and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.





















Jenni Kent
 

if I lived there that wouldnt be a problem.

On 11/20/2017 12:39 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to
happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or
finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full
time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully
accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a
blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend
training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the
technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a
day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for heaven
knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware and software
up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between mainstream software
and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these last two years in that
regard that I feel almost burned out at times. I don't run to Rehab as soon
as things go south. I try to afford what I need, but I can no longer totally
subscribe to the belief that you should be able to work hard to pay for it
if you need it badly enough. Often, you actually do need it badly enough,
and, work as you might, or maybe you can't work enough due to technology
glitches, you can't quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your
family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jessica
Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage (usually
fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed to purchase a
BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in four weeks! You do
have to put your amount slightly above what you actually need to account for
the percentage the site takes. However, if you receive donations in hand
you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this Crowd
Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, & that doesn't
mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations go to
the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover costs, & is
that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they will
do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the money is eaten
up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for
personal or business matters begging watch your
step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my
wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to put
people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated funds to sue
people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society including
those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is not promoted as
such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public awareness of the
existence of assistive technology and what users of this technology must do
to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and for many
other purposes why not tap into this means of creating revenue to cover the
cost of buying and maintaining assistive technology. Large corporations also
use crowd funding to start and grow their existing business ventures or to
start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer. Those
making such statements about this occupation are either dead, still broke
and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things we need
without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance program and are
closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone wants to start calling
widely used means of raising funds for personal or business matters begging
watch your step with us! Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of
buying my wife's El Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions
of Jaws. Now let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our
assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with
disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or start
a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.




















David & his pack of dogs
 

Would not the lighthouse in other states have the same kind of program? Or, is it limited to Chicago?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jenni Kent
Sent: November 20, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

if I lived there that wouldnt be a problem.



On 11/20/2017 12:39 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to
happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or
finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full
time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully
accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a
blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend
training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the
technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a
day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for
heaven knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware
and software up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between
mainstream software and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these
last two years in that regard that I feel almost burned out at times.
I don't run to Rehab as soon as things go south. I try to afford what
I need, but I can no longer totally subscribe to the belief that you
should be able to work hard to pay for it if you need it badly
enough. Often, you actually do need it badly enough, and, work as you
might, or maybe you can't work enough due to technology glitches,
you can't quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jessica Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage
(usually fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed
to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in
four weeks! You do have to put your amount slightly above what you
actually need to account for the percentage the site takes. However,
if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this
Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, &
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the
donations go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the
top to cover costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they
will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the
money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds
for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to
put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated
funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.
In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society
including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is
not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise
public awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what
users of this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and
for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating
revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive
technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and
grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer.
Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead,
still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things
we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance
program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone
wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for
personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now
let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our
assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some
of us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover
these expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech
for you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am
stuck because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs
had a payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I
could do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.




















David & his pack of dogs
 

As someone who has been on social assistance, they don't care if you rob a bank as long as they don't have to put out the money for what you need. This way they can pay for their flat of donuts and coffee they received on the busiest day, cheque issuing day. Yes, a huge flat of coffee and donuts from Tim Horton's was received by a staff member for a meeting first thing in the morning. Sorry, I refer to the social assistance workers here, as employing the unemployable. Their level of social skills is so low, they can't even make it as prostitutes. They complain about a heavy work load yet, they bring it on themselves. They are quick to blame management. If you don't like the self imposed work load, find another job if you can find anyone to hire you. Anyone can say NO! That's all these workers can say. JAWS has no problem saying NO! .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun Brunot
Sent: November 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Right on, Peter. Independence means accomplishing what you need, using the means that work best: money in the bank; your good salary; your so-so salary and other means.

Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hello Kelly and everyone,

And develop a backup income should something happen to your job and to give you something mor than just a stinking pention or Social Security Check after you retire, are laid off, or some other unexpected calamity your employment income can't address completely including keeping assistive technology up and running. Income sources such as Crowdfunding, network marketing and other vehicles needed to protect one's income and ability to maintain their assistive technology must be pursued in addition to one's primary income such as earnings from their employment. It's called not putting all of your eggs in one basket.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for
heaven knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware
and software up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between
mainstream software and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these
last two years in that regard that I feel almost burned out at times.
I don't run to Rehab as soon as things go south. I try to afford what
I need, but I can no longer totally subscribe to the belief that you
should be able to work hard to pay for it if you need it badly enough.
Often, you actually do need it badly enough, and, work as you might,
or maybe you can't work enough due to technology glitches, you can't
quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jessica Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage
(usually fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed
to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in
four weeks! You do have to put your amount slightly above what you
actually need to account for the percentage the site takes. However,
if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this
Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, &
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations
go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover
costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they
will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the
money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds
for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to
put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated
funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society
including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is
not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public
awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of
this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and
for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating
revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive
technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and
grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer.
Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead,
still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things
we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance
program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone
wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal
or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you
will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when
it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the
crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology
and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.





















James Homuth
 

As mildly entertaining as parts of this thread have become, let's try and
keep it relatively close to the topic of the list if we wouldn't mind. Rants
about social assistance, while very justified, are probably better served
left to other forums.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David &
his pack of dogs
Sent: November-20-17 9:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

As someone who has been on social assistance, they don't care if you rob a
bank as long as they don't have to put out the money for what you need.
This way they can pay for their flat of donuts and coffee they received on
the busiest day, cheque issuing day. Yes, a huge flat of coffee and donuts
from Tim Horton's was received by a staff member for a meeting first thing
in the morning. Sorry, I refer to the social assistance workers here, as
employing the unemployable. Their level of social skills is so low, they
can't even make it as prostitutes. They complain about a heavy work load
yet, they bring it on themselves. They are quick to blame management. If
you don't like the self imposed work load, find another job if you can find
anyone to hire you. Anyone can say NO! That's all these workers can say.
JAWS has no problem saying NO! .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
Brunot
Sent: November 20, 2017 12:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Right on, Peter. Independence means accomplishing what you need, using the
means that work best: money in the bank; your good salary; your so-so salary
and other means.

Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter
Donahue
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hello Kelly and everyone,

And develop a backup income should something happen to your job and
to give you something mor than just a stinking pention or Social Security
Check after you retire, are laid off, or some other unexpected calamity your
employment income can't address completely including keeping assistive
technology up and running. Income sources such as Crowdfunding, network
marketing and other vehicles needed to protect one's income and ability to
maintain their assistive technology must be pursued in addition to one's
primary income such as earnings from their employment. It's called not
putting all of your eggs in one basket.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to
happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or
finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full time
customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully accessible
to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a blind trainee needs
computer literacy, the person is paid to attend training. Of course, the
blind person needs to arrive at the technology training site on time and
actively train for eight hours a day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for
heaven knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware
and software up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between
mainstream software and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these
last two years in that regard that I feel almost burned out at times.
I don't run to Rehab as soon as things go south. I try to afford what
I need, but I can no longer totally subscribe to the belief that you
should be able to work hard to pay for it if you need it badly enough.
Often, you actually do need it badly enough, and, work as you might,
or maybe you can't work enough due to technology glitches, you can't
quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your family, could have
used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jessica Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage
(usually fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed
to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in
four weeks! You do have to put your amount slightly above what you
actually need to account for the percentage the site takes. However,
if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on
your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this
Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, &
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard
anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the donations
go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the top to cover
costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you
see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they
will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the
money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds
for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to
put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated
funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In
the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society
including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is
not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise public
awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what users of
this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and
for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating
revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive
technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and
grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls
them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer.
Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead,
still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with
mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things
we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance
program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone
wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for personal
or business matters begging watch your step with us! Otherwise you
will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El Braille 40 when
it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now let's tap the
crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our assistive technology
and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities
including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at
home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at
home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some of
us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover these
expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech for
you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am stuck
because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs had a
payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I could
do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.





















Peter Donahue
 

Hello David and everyone,

Not all of them do. Even if they did we'd rather pay for our own assistive technology if we had to dumpster dive to find the money. The whole purpose of this thread though it may be somewhat off-topic is to encourage people to think out-of-the-box and explore new ways to raise funding for assistive technology be it Jaws and other products offered by VFO or assistive technology from other vendors. There comes a time to stop complaining about the high cost of assistive technology and explore new ways to fund its perchase and upkeep.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 7:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Would not the lighthouse in other states have the same kind of program? Or, is it limited to Chicago?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jenni Kent
Sent: November 20, 2017 12:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

if I lived there that wouldnt be a problem.



On 11/20/2017 12:39 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:
Yes, if you are working for low wages someplace, then changes need to
happen. This could include exploring the world of online businesses or
finding better paying work. Here in Chicago, the Lighthouse has full
time customer service jobs that pay a living wage. The jobs are fully
accessible to a blind person. If someone needs training, even if a
blind trainee needs computer literacy, the person is paid to attend
training. Of course, the blind person needs to arrive at the
technology training site on time and actively train for eight hours a
day until competency is achieved.

Kelly


On 11/18/17, Gudrun Brunot <gbrunot@centurylink.net> wrote:
Hi all: I actually don't see anything wrong with this discussion, for
heaven knows it's expensive to keep your necessary assistive hardware
and software up, plus the expenses associated with crashes between
mainstream software and screen readers. I have been hit so hard these
last two years in that regard that I feel almost burned out at times.
I don't run to Rehab as soon as things go south. I try to afford what
I need, but I can no longer totally subscribe to the belief that you
should be able to work hard to pay for it if you need it badly
enough. Often, you actually do need it badly enough, and, work as you
might, or maybe you can't work enough due to technology glitches, you
can't quite afford it, or you spend money that you, or your family, could have used for some other essential purchase.

So, crowd funding, hurray, and how do you get started?



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jessica Raichle
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi:
With croud funding the website usually takes a percentage
(usually fairly small). I used Go Fund Me to raise the money needed
to purchase a BrailleNote Touch; I was able to raise what I needed in
four weeks! You do have to put your amount slightly above what you
actually need to account for the percentage the site takes. However,
if you receive donations in hand you keep it all, even if you report it on your campaign. Hope this helps!
Jessica


From: Mike B. <mailto:mb69mach1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crowd Funding

Hi Peter,

I'm all for donating to & for people that truly need help, but this
Crowd Funding thing you speak of is something I've never heard of, &
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but it only means I've never heard anything about it!
Who runs it? Who manages the donations? Does 100% of the
donations go to the intended, or do they take a percentage off the
top to cover costs, & is that info divulged? I've only asked a few questions, but you see my point.
I personally am sick of donating to organizations that say that they
will do this & that, but when it all comes down to it most of the
money is eaten up by bullshit!

You said:
"If anyone wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds
for personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws.
End quote.

Intimidating people with this kind of dumb ass threat isn't going to
put people in your corner! What are you going to do, use donated
funds to sue people?!
Take care. Mike. Dodgers, try again next year!

Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.
In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonahue2@satx.rr.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Crowd Funding


Good evening everyone,

CrowdFunding is widely used throughout many segments of society
including those who are employed. It is not a form of begging and is
not promoted as such. Rather it could be used as a way to raise
public awareness of the existence of assistive technology and what
users of this technology must do to cover the cost of keeping it up.

If folks can use crowd funding to raise money for needed surgery and
treatments, funding to achieve educational and vocational goals and
for many other purposes why not tap into this means of creating
revenue to cover the cost of buying and maintaining assistive
technology. Large corporations also use crowd funding to start and
grow their existing business ventures or to start new ones. No one calls them beggars.

I used to hear this kind of garbage when I was a street performer.
Those making such statements about this occupation are either dead,
still broke and living on public assistance, or had to move back in with mmom and dad.
Mary and I tapped into various means to raise funding for the things
we need without going to voke rehab or some other public assistance
program and are closer to achieving financial independence. If anyone
wants to start calling widely used means of raising funds for
personal or business matters begging watch your step with us!
Otherwise you will be asked to cover the cost of buying my wife's El
Braille 40 when it comes out and upgrading our versions of Jaws. Now
let's tap the crowd to raise the needed funds for keeping our
assistive technology and to raise awareness of how it can benefit those with disabilities including the blind. All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: financing for jaws, Why Not CrowdFunding?

Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly
Another way besides begging to raise needed funds is to find a job or
start a small business. Computers and the Internet enable many to work at home.

Kelly




On 11/17/17, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello,

We're dealing with the same situation here. Perhaps it's time some
of us tried CrowdFunding as a way to raise needed funds to cover
these expenses.
People raise funds for all kinds of personal and corporate projects
and individual needs this way. It's time we tapped the power of the
crowd to help us cover the cost of buying and upgrading assistive
technology as an alternative to voke rehab and other public funding
sources. We plan to launch our own crowdfunding site to upgrade our
assistive technology by year's end. If someone beats us to it that's
wonderful! All the best.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jenni Kent
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 3:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: financing for jaws

Hi,

I am trying to upgrade my jaws and get an sma I live in Iowa In
Missouri there was the tap-i program that paid for assistive tech
for you every few years so you could access the internet. Now I am
stuck because I need this and don't know a way to get it i wish fs
had a payment plan for jfw so people could pay for jaws and an sma I
could do that but this six hundred bucks all at once crap is rediculous.