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Hi there everyone. Is there anyone on this list who has Jaws installed on Mac with a Virtual Machine like Bootcamp running Windows? How do you find it? Are there any limitations? Would you recommend installing it that way? Does the Keyloard work properly?
Sincerely,
Owais
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Yes I am. It is a lot easier than using any of the VM ware or other Softwares. You can easily switch between Mark and window's. On start up you hold down the option key and use your left or right arrow keys then hit enter.
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Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:49:49 AM
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Subject: Jaws With A MacBook
Hi there everyone. Is there anyone on this list who has Jaws installed on Mac with a Virtual Machine like Bootcamp running Windows? How do you find it? Are there any limitations? Would you recommend installing it that way? Does the Keyloard
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Hello there,
I have been using win10 on bootcamp with jaws for a while now, there are no issues or limitations as such,but the keyboard layout will follow macs layout,that is fn,control,option,cmd, in windows case,that key would be the win key. which may take a bit getting used to. Or of course,you could use a tool like Sharp keys,to change the keyboard layout to the windows style, this wont affect your mac side of things. hth
On 14 October 2017 at 08:19, Owais Patel <owaisipatel@...> wrote: Hi there everyone. Is there anyone on this list who has Jaws installed on Mac with a Virtual Machine like Bootcamp running Windows? How do you find it? Are there any limitations? Would you recommend installing it that way? Does the Keyloard work properly?
Sincerely,
Owais
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I second everything said here. I’ve had two different MacBooks that were bootcamped one had Windows 7 and now the current one has windows 10. On both I loaded a key mapping program because I wanted the option of having keys like home, end, and delete as separate keys the behaved the way they do on a PC. I did not find a need to remap the control, alt, or Windows key. I just got used to it the way it is laid out on the computer it’s self. Jaws on my computers uses the caps lock key as the JAWS key. Again no problems with this. There are a couple of key mapping programs you can download them for free and test them out for yourself. When you switch to the Mac side of the computer the key mapping program has no effect. Also if you’ve never done this before be aware that you have the option of having the bootcamped windows side of the computer as the default boot up rather than the Mac.
I will make a comment that I’ve observed about doing this from the windows point of you. That is it it is a very stable computer. It boots up fast and shuts down quickly. It is extremely rare that anything locks up on this computer when I’m in windows. I also have done a lot of jaws script writing using both of these computers and there has never been a problem with jaws. Sue B
On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:18 AM, john clayton < nishantrana3@...> wrote: Hello there,
I have been using win10 on bootcamp with jaws for a while now, there are no issues or limitations as such,but the keyboard layout will follow macs layout,that is fn,control,option,cmd, in windows case,that key would be the win key. which may take a bit getting used to. Or of course,you could use a tool like Sharp keys,to change the keyboard layout to the windows style, this wont affect your mac side of things. hth
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Owais Patel <owaisipatel@...>
Hi there everyone. Thanks for answering my question. If I get a Mac and install Jaws on the Windows side how can I make my keyboard work like a Pc? Or would you recommend to get a Microsoft Keyboard? What would you say about the Touch screen Support in Jaws with regards to the Mac? Is it sensitive enough and if I get the Mac with a Touch Bar what is the recommendation in this situation for installing Jaws?
On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Sue < sueb@...> wrote: I second everything said here. I’ve had two different MacBooks that were bootcamped one had Windows 7 and now the current one has windows 10. On both I loaded a key mapping program because I wanted the option of having keys like home, end, and delete as separate keys the behaved the way they do on a PC. I did not find a need to remap the control, alt, or Windows key. I just got used to it the way it is laid out on the computer it’s self. Jaws on my computers uses the caps lock key as the JAWS key. Again no problems with this. There are a couple of key mapping programs you can download them for free and test them out for yourself. When you switch to the Mac side of the computer the key mapping program has no effect. Also if you’ve never done this before be aware that you have the option of having the bootcamped windows side of the computer as the default boot up rather than the Mac.
I will make a comment that I’ve observed about doing this from the windows point of you. That is it it is a very stable computer. It boots up fast and shuts down quickly. It is extremely rare that anything locks up on this computer when I’m in windows. I also have done a lot of jaws script writing using both of these computers and there has never been a problem with jaws. Sue B
Hello there,
I have been using win10 on bootcamp with jaws for a while now, there are no issues or limitations as such,but the keyboard layout will follow macs layout,that is fn,control,option,cmd, in windows case,that key would be the win key. which may take a bit getting used to. Or of course,you could use a tool like Sharp keys,to change the keyboard layout to the windows style, this wont affect your mac side of things. hth
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I run JAWS on Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro from 2012. I use an external USB Microsoft Intellitype keyboard. I haven’t had any problems with keys or any need to remap anything. It works fine.
-Paul
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On Oct 14, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Owais Patel <owaisipatel@...> wrote:
Hi there everyone. Thanks for answering my question. If I get a Mac and install Jaws on the Windows side how can I make my keyboard work like a Pc? Or would you recommend to get a Microsoft Keyboard? What would you say about the Touch screen Support in Jaws with regards to the Mac? Is it sensitive enough and if I get the Mac with a Touch Bar what is the recommendation in this situation for installing Jaws?
Sincerely,
Owais
On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Sue <sueb@...> wrote:
I second everything said here. I’ve had two different MacBooks that were bootcamped one had Windows 7 and now the current one has windows 10. On both I loaded a key mapping program because I wanted the option of having keys like home, end, and delete as separate keys the behaved the way they do on a PC. I did not find a need to remap the control, alt, or Windows key. I just got used to it the way it is laid out on the computer it’s self. Jaws on my computers uses the caps lock key as the JAWS key. Again no problems with this. There are a couple of key mapping programs you can download them for free and test them out for yourself. When you switch to the Mac side of the computer the key mapping program has no effect. Also if you’ve never done this before be aware that you have the option of having the bootcamped windows side of the computer as the default boot up rather than the Mac.
I will make a comment that I’ve observed about doing this from the windows point of you. That is it it is a very stable computer. It boots up fast and shuts down quickly. It is extremely rare that anything locks up on this computer when I’m in windows. I also have done a lot of jaws script writing using both of these computers and there has never been a problem with jaws.
Sue B
On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:18 AM, john clayton <nishantrana3@...> wrote:
Hello there,
I have been using win10 on bootcamp with jaws for a while now, there are no issues or limitations as such,but the keyboard layout will follow macs layout,that is fn,control,option,cmd, in windows case,that key would be the win key. which may take a bit getting used to.
Or of course,you could use a tool like Sharp keys,to change the keyboard layout to the windows style, this wont affect your mac side of things.
hth
On 14 October 2017 at 08:19, Owais Patel <owaisipatel@...> wrote:
Hi there everyone. Is there anyone on this list who has Jaws installed on Mac with a Virtual Machine like Bootcamp running Windows? How do you find it? Are there any limitations? Would you recommend installing it that way? Does the Keyloard work properly?
Sincerely,
Owais
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Randy Barnett <randy@...>
I thought with the switch to Intel you
can install windows directly?
On 10/14/2017 7:02 AM, Sue wrote:
I second everything said here. I’ve had two different MacBooks
that were bootcamped one had Windows 7 and now the current one has
windows 10. On both I loaded a key mapping program because I
wanted the option of having keys like home, end, and delete as
separate keys the behaved the way they do on a PC. I did not find
a need to remap the control, alt, or Windows key. I just got used
to it the way it is laid out on the computer it’s self. Jaws on my
computers uses the caps lock key as the JAWS key. Again no
problems with this. There are a couple of key mapping programs you
can download them for free and test them out for yourself. When
you switch to the Mac side of the computer the key mapping program
has no effect. Also if you’ve never done this before be aware that
you have the option of having the bootcamped windows side of the
computer as the default boot up rather than the Mac.
I will make a comment that I’ve observed about doing this
from the windows point of you. That is it it is a very stable
computer. It boots up fast and shuts down quickly. It is
extremely rare that anything locks up on this computer when I’m
in windows. I also have done a lot of jaws script writing using
both of these computers and there has never been a problem with
jaws.
Sue B
Hello there,
I have been using win10 on bootcamp with jaws for a
while now, there are no issues or limitations as
such,but the keyboard layout will follow macs
layout,that is fn,control,option,cmd, in windows
case,that key would be the win key. which may take a
bit getting used to.
Or of course,you could use a tool like Sharp keys,to
change the keyboard layout to the windows style, this
wont affect your mac side of things.
hth
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Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.
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Randy Barnett <randy@...>
What is the reason for buying a Mac? If
you just want too run windows on it you will spend way more money
going this route and wont see any better performance.
On 10/14/2017 10:20 AM, Owais Patel wrote:
Hi there everyone. Thanks for answering my question. If I get
a Mac and install Jaws on the Windows side how can I make my
keyboard work like a Pc? Or would you recommend to get a
Microsoft Keyboard? What would you say about the Touch screen
Support in Jaws with regards to the Mac? Is it sensitive enough
and if I get the Mac with a Touch Bar what is the recommendation
in this situation for installing Jaws?
On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Sue < sueb@...>
wrote:
I second everything said here. I’ve had two different
MacBooks that were bootcamped one had Windows 7 and now the
current one has windows 10. On both I loaded a key mapping
program because I wanted the option of having keys like
home, end, and delete as separate keys the behaved the way
they do on a PC. I did not find a need to remap the control,
alt, or Windows key. I just got used to it the way it is
laid out on the computer it’s self. Jaws on my computers
uses the caps lock key as the JAWS key. Again no problems
with this. There are a couple of key mapping programs you
can download them for free and test them out for yourself.
When you switch to the Mac side of the computer the key
mapping program has no effect. Also if you’ve never done
this before be aware that you have the option of having the
bootcamped windows side of the computer as the default boot
up rather than the Mac.
I will make a comment that I’ve observed about doing
this from the windows point of you. That is it it is a
very stable computer. It boots up fast and shuts down
quickly. It is extremely rare that anything locks up on
this computer when I’m in windows. I also have done a lot
of jaws script writing using both of these computers and
there has never been a problem with jaws.
Sue B
Hello there,
I have been using win10 on bootcamp with jaws
for a while now, there are no issues or
limitations as such,but the keyboard layout will
follow macs layout,that is
fn,control,option,cmd, in windows case,that key
would be the win key. which may take a bit
getting used to.
Or of course,you could use a tool like Sharp
keys,to change the keyboard layout to the windows
style, this wont affect your mac side of things.
hth
--
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.
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Or you could use a USB, or a Bluetooth PC Keyboard
Hello there,
I have been using win10 on bootcamp with jaws for a while now, there are no issues or limitations as such,but the keyboard layout will follow macs layout,that is fn,control,option,cmd, in windows case,that key would be the win key. which may take a bit getting used to. Or of course,you could use a tool like Sharp keys,to change the keyboard layout to the windows style, this wont affect your mac side of things. hth
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Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
maybe I’m stating the obvious, but the reason to buy a Mac is so that you can run both Mac OS X and a second (or third) operating system via Bootcamp or parallels. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you buy a Mac, wipe it, and run Windows as the sole OS.
-Paul
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On Oct 14, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Randy Barnett <randy@...> wrote:
What is the reason for buying a Mac? If you just want too run windows on it you will spend way more money going this route and wont see any better performance.
On 10/14/2017 10:20 AM, Owais Patel wrote:
Hi there everyone. Thanks for answering my question. If I get a Mac and install Jaws on the Windows side how can I make my keyboard work like a Pc? Or would you recommend to get a Microsoft Keyboard? What would you say about the Touch screen Support in Jaws with regards to the Mac? Is it sensitive enough and if I get the Mac with a Touch Bar what is the recommendation in this situation for installing Jaws?
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Randy Barnett <randy@...>
Why would you want to spend the money and time learning and running two totally different OS's?Nothing between the two are compatible. You would have to buy two versions of your software. Windows for instance would be a 100.00 purchase then Office for each OS and so on. Just doesnt make sense to me. :) Not saying that that matters People are free to do as they please! :)
Just wondering. ;)
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On 10/15/2017 6:04 PM, Paul Martz wrote: maybe I’m stating the obvious, but the reason to buy a Mac is so that you can run both Mac OS X and a second (or third) operating system via Bootcamp or parallels. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you buy a Mac, wipe it, and run Windows as the sole OS.
-Paul
On Oct 14, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Randy Barnett <randy@...> wrote:
What is the reason for buying a Mac? If you just want too run windows on it you will spend way more money going this route and wont see any better performance.
On 10/14/2017 10:20 AM, Owais Patel wrote:
Hi there everyone. Thanks for answering my question. If I get a Mac and install Jaws on the Windows side how can I make my keyboard work like a Pc? Or would you recommend to get a Microsoft Keyboard? What would you say about the Touch screen Support in Jaws with regards to the Mac? Is it sensitive enough and if I get the Mac with a Touch Bar what is the recommendation in this situation for installing Jaws?
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Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.
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Is the a particular reason no one is recommending VM fusion? My intent in possibly switching to a Mac is so that I can access all my reading platforms on on machine So, I'm not terribly interested in always having to reboot when I need to switch platforms.
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett Sent: October 15, 2017 10:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws With A MacBook Why would you want to spend the money and time learning and running two totally different OS's?Nothing between the two are compatible. You would have to buy two versions of your software. Windows for instance would be a 100.00 purchase then Office for each OS and so on. Just doesnt make sense to me. :) Not saying that that matters People are free to do as they please! :) Just wondering. ;) On 10/15/2017 6:04 PM, Paul Martz wrote: maybe I’m stating the obvious, but the reason to buy a Mac is so that you can run both Mac OS X and a second (or third) operating system via Bootcamp or parallels. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you buy a Mac, wipe it, and run Windows as the sole OS.
-Paul
On Oct 14, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Randy Barnett <randy@...> wrote:
What is the reason for buying a Mac? If you just want too run windows on it you will spend way more money going this route and wont see any better performance.
On 10/14/2017 10:20 AM, Owais Patel wrote:
Hi there everyone. Thanks for answering my question. If I get a Mac and install Jaws on the Windows side how can I make my keyboard work like a Pc? Or would you recommend to get a Microsoft Keyboard? What would you say about the Touch screen Support in Jaws with regards to the Mac? Is it sensitive enough and if I get the Mac with a Touch Bar what is the recommendation in this situation for installing Jaws?
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I have vmware fusion and its pretty good, sometimes the keyboard translations get in the way, particularly if you need caps lock for your modifier key. You also need a pretty hefty machine in order to have a decent amount of memory in your virtual machine. On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:24:17 -0400, Cynthia Bruce wrote:
Is the a particular reason no one is recommending VM fusion? My intent in possibly switching to a Mac is so that I can access all my reading platforms on on machine So, I'm not terribly interested in always having to reboot when I need to switch platforms.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: October 15, 2017 10:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws With A MacBook
Why would you want to spend the money and time learning and running two totally different OS's?Nothing between the two are compatible. You would have to buy two versions of your software. Windows for instance would be a 100.00 purchase then Office for each OS and so on. Just doesnt make sense to me. :) Not saying that that matters People are free to do as they please! :) Just wondering. ;) On 10/15/2017 6:04 PM, Paul Martz wrote:
maybe I’m stating the obvious, but the reason to buy a Mac is so that you can run both Mac OS X and a second (or third) operating system via Bootcamp or parallels. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you buy a Mac, wipe it, and run Windows as the sole OS.
-Paul
On Oct 14, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Randy Barnett <randy@...> wrote:
What is the reason for buying a Mac? If you just want too run windows on it you will spend way more money going this route and wont see any better performance.
On 10/14/2017 10:20 AM, Owais Patel wrote:
Hi there everyone. Thanks for answering my question. If I get a Mac and install Jaws on the Windows side how can I make my keyboard work like a Pc? Or would you recommend to get a Microsoft Keyboard? What would you say about the Touch screen Support in Jaws with regards to the Mac? Is it sensitive enough and if I get the Mac with a Touch Bar what is the recommendation in this situation for installing Jaws?
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Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.
-- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@...
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Owais Patel <owaisipatel@...>
Hi there. I wouldn't recommend Vm Fusion because it's a Virtual Machine that doesn't restart the computer. I know you'll that's a good thing because it quicker but on the Mac side you run Voiceover which once you switch turns off or if it runs for a little bitthen you'll get into trouble with commands and until you don't get sed to you'll be unning 2 Screen readws at once. Bootcamp devides your Computer internal drive into 2 parts that way the operating ystem you run get the complete power at once on the computer.
Sincerely,
Owais
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:24 AM, Cynthia Bruce <cynthia.bruce@...> wrote:
Is the a particular reason no one is recommending VM fusion? My intent in possibly switching to a Mac is so that I can access all my reading platforms on on machine So, I'm not terribly interested in always having to reboot when I need to switch platforms.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: October 15, 2017 10:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws With A MacBook
Why would you want to spend the money and time learning and running two totally different OS's?Nothing between the two are compatible. You would have to buy two versions of your software. Windows for instance would be a 100.00 purchase then Office for each OS and so on. Just doesnt make sense to me. :) Not saying that that matters People are free to do as they please! :) Just wondering. ;) On 10/15/2017 6:04 PM, Paul Martz wrote:
maybe I’m stating the obvious, but the reason to buy a Mac is so that you can run both Mac OS X and a second (or third) operating system via Bootcamp or parallels. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you buy a Mac, wipe it, and run Windows as the sole OS.
-Paul
On Oct 14, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Randy Barnett <randy@...> wrote:
What is the reason for buying a Mac? If you just want too run windows on it you will spend way more money going this route and wont see any better performance.
On 10/14/2017 10:20 AM, Owais Patel wrote:
Hi there everyone. Thanks for answering my question. If I get a Mac and install Jaws on the Windows side how can I make my keyboard work like a Pc? Or would you recommend to get a Microsoft Keyboard? What would you say about the Touch screen Support in Jaws with regards to the Mac? Is it sensitive enough and if I get the Mac with a Touch Bar what is the recommendation in this situation for installing Jaws?
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Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
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Well, we’re getting pretty far off topic here. But I don’t see why you’d need multiple copies of Office. If you’ve already got it running on your Windows system, then just use it on your Windows system.
There are some tasks that non-Windows systems are better suited for. Setting up a web server, for example, is tons easier on a Mac or Linux machine than on a Windows system, in my experience. I find that the benefit of using the right computer for a project far outweighs the cost of learning different operating systems.
Your mileage may vary.
-Paul
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On Oct 15, 2017, at 7:10 PM, Randy Barnett <randy@...> wrote:
Why would you want to spend the money and time learning and running two totally different OS's?Nothing between the two are compatible. You would have to buy two versions of your software. Windows for instance would be a 100.00 purchase then Office for each OS and so on. Just doesnt make sense to me. :) Not saying that that matters People are free to do as they please! :)
Just wondering. ;)
On 10/15/2017 6:04 PM, Paul Martz wrote:
maybe I’m stating the obvious, but the reason to buy a Mac is so that you can run both Mac OS X and a second (or third) operating system via Bootcamp or parallels. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you buy a Mac, wipe it, and run Windows as the sole OS.
-Paul
On Oct 14, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Randy Barnett <randy@...> wrote:
What is the reason for buying a Mac? If you just want too run windows on it you will spend way more money going this route and wont see any better performance.
On 10/14/2017 10:20 AM, Owais Patel wrote:
Hi there everyone. Thanks for answering my question. If I get a Mac and install Jaws on the Windows side how can I make my keyboard work like a Pc? Or would you recommend to get a Microsoft Keyboard? What would you say about the Touch screen Support in Jaws with regards to the Mac? Is it sensitive enough and if I get the Mac with a Touch Bar what is the recommendation in this situation for installing Jaws?
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Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.
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Just because he has Office running on a Windows system which maybe a desktop doesn't mean he may not need it on his Mac laptop. I have 4 desktops at my retail store and a laptop and while all of my computers are Windows computers I need Office on all of them. There is a reason why with an Office 365 membership you are allowed to install Office on up to 5 computers.
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Martz Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 8:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Jaws With A MacBook Well, we’re getting pretty far off topic here. But I don’t see why you’d need multiple copies of Office. If you’ve already got it running on your Windows system, then just use it on your Windows system. There are some tasks that non-Windows systems are better suited for. Setting up a web server, for example, is tons easier on a Mac or Linux machine than on a Windows system, in my experience. I find that the benefit of using the right computer for a project far outweighs the cost of learning different operating systems. Your mileage may vary. -Paul On Oct 15, 2017, at 7:10 PM, Randy Barnett <randy@...> wrote:
Why would you want to spend the money and time learning and running
two totally different OS's?Nothing between the two are compatible. You
would have to buy two versions of your software. Windows for instance would be a 100.00 purchase then Office for each OS and so on. Just doesnt make sense to me. :) Not saying that that matters People are free to do as they please! :) Just wondering. ;) On 10/15/2017 6:04 PM, Paul Martz wrote:
maybe I’m stating the obvious, but the reason to buy a Mac is so that you can run both Mac OS X and a second (or third) operating system via Bootcamp or parallels. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you buy a Mac, wipe it, and run Windows as the sole OS.
-Paul
On Oct 14, 2017, at 1:00 PM, Randy Barnett <randy@...> wrote:
What is the reason for buying a Mac? If you just want too run windows on it you will spend way more money going this route and wont see any better performance.
On 10/14/2017 10:20 AM, Owais Patel wrote:
Hi there everyone. Thanks for answering my question. If I get a Mac and install Jaws on the Windows side how can I make my keyboard work like a Pc? Or would you recommend to get a Microsoft Keyboard? What would you say about the Touch screen Support in Jaws with regards to the Mac? Is it sensitive enough and if I get the Mac with a Touch Bar what is the recommendation in this situation for installing Jaws?
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Owner of Soundtique.
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