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moderated Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

David Griffith
 

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip  to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with  all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list  of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

 

David Griffith

 

 

                               

 

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From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 13:24
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store  but I was not sure you would be able to use it.  I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed  to work with Jaws.

There is something  called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here.  Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this  for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

 

David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 08:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more  than five, not that I need that manyJ

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

 

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock  applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set  a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock  apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

 

David Griffith

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From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 14 November 2019 07:35
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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David Griffith
 

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws  can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give  will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

 

Anyway here we go as a start list.

 

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.

 

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

 

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll  (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion  (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud  (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView  (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create  mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing  and saving of contacts)

Open Book

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch  (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud  3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue  (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

 

 

Hope we can start something here.

of

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 November 2019 14:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip  to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with  all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list  of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

 

David Griffith

 

 

                               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 13:24
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store  but I was not sure you would be able to use it.  I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed  to work with Jaws.

There is something  called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here.  Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this  for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

 

David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 08:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more  than five, not that I need that manyJ

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

 

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock  applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set  a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock  apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 14 November 2019 07:35
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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Randy Barnett
 

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws  can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give  will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

 

Anyway here we go as a start list.

 

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.

 

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

 

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll  (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion  (For Victor reader Devices)

HW-CPU system monitoring

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud  (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView  (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create  mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing  and saving of contacts)

Open Book

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch  (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud  3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

Thunderbird

TWBlue  (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

 

 

Hope we can start something here.

of

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 November 2019 14:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip  to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with  all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list  of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

 

David Griffith

 

 

                               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 13:24
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store  but I was not sure you would be able to use it.  I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed  to work with Jaws.

There is something  called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here.  Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this  for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

 

David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 08:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more  than five, not that I need that manyJ

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

 

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock  applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set  a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock  apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 14 November 2019 07:35
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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Marty Hutchings
 

Can you tell me how to get this list in Windows 7?  I tried entering ‘'”shell:AppsFolder command” in the Windows Run Dialog box, but was given an error message saying that that file was not available or something.
 
Love in Christ
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For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 8:12 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
 

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip  to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with  all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list  of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

 

David Griffith

 

 

                               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 13:24
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store  but I was not sure you would be able to use it.  I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed  to work with Jaws.

There is something  called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here.  Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this  for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

 

David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 08:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more  than five, not that I need that manyJ

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

 

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock  applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set  a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock  apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 14 November 2019 07:35
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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My apologies – I forgot that this was a Windows 10 tip , and also I believe Windows 8.

I don’t believe earlier versions of Windows have the same feature.

From memory in Windows 7  to get similar results you could go to control panel add remove programs and from there you could get a list of programs installed.

Using Jaws virtualise windows command jaws alt and W I think you can then you can copy to the clipboard.

However as I no longer have any Windows 7 machines I cannot test this out for you.

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marty Hutchings
Sent: 15 November 2019 20:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

Can you tell me how to get this list in Windows 7?  I tried entering ‘'”shell:AppsFolder command” in the Windows Run Dialog box, but was given an error message saying that that file was not available or something.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 8:12 AM

Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip  to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with  all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list  of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

 

David Griffith

 

 

                               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 13:24
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store  but I was not sure you would be able to use it.  I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed  to work with Jaws.

There is something  called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here.  Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this  for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

 

David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 08:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more  than five, not that I need that manyJ

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

 

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock  applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set  a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock  apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 14 November 2019 07:35
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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I did create a list of installed programs using the JAWS history and the Control Panel/programs.  I noticed on your list that you included Narrator and other Windows features.  Any reason for that?  Those did not come up on my list from Control Panel.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13
 

Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
 

 

My apologies – I forgot that this was a Windows 10 tip , and also I believe Windows 8.

I don’t believe earlier versions of Windows have the same feature.

From memory in Windows 7  to get similar results you could go to control panel add remove programs and from there you could get a list of programs installed.

Using Jaws virtualise windows command jaws alt and W I think you can then you can copy to the clipboard.

However as I no longer have any Windows 7 machines I cannot test this out for you.

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marty Hutchings
Sent: 15 November 2019 20:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

Can you tell me how to get this list in Windows 7?  I tried entering ‘'”shell:AppsFolder command” in the Windows Run Dialog box, but was given an error message saying that that file was not available or something.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 8:12 AM

Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip  to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with  all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list  of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

 

David Griffith

 

 

                               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 13:24
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store  but I was not sure you would be able to use it.  I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed  to work with Jaws.

There is something  called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here.  Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this  for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

 

David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 08:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more  than five, not that I need that manyJ

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

 

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock  applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set  a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock  apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 14 November 2019 07:35
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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When you use the Windows 10 command the inbuilt apps are listed as well.

I think it is important that people know that some aspects of Windows 10, for example Mail and People are accessible as well, as is apparently World Clock from the Store. I think the News app is accessible as well but I need to check it as it is some time since I used it.

David Griffith.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: 15 November 2019 23:20
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

I did create a list of installed programs using the JAWS history and the Control Panel/programs.  I noticed on your list that you included Narrator and other Windows features.  Any reason for that?  Those did not come up on my list from Control Panel.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 3:18 PM

Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

 

My apologies – I forgot that this was a Windows 10 tip , and also I believe Windows 8.

I don’t believe earlier versions of Windows have the same feature.

From memory in Windows 7  to get similar results you could go to control panel add remove programs and from there you could get a list of programs installed.

Using Jaws virtualise windows command jaws alt and W I think you can then you can copy to the clipboard.

However as I no longer have any Windows 7 machines I cannot test this out for you.

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marty Hutchings
Sent: 15 November 2019 20:27
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

Can you tell me how to get this list in Windows 7?  I tried entering ‘'”shell:AppsFolder command” in the Windows Run Dialog box, but was given an error message saying that that file was not available or something.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Ephesians 6:12, 13

 

Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 8:12 AM

Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip  to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with  all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list  of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

 

David Griffith

 

 

                               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 13:24
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store  but I was not sure you would be able to use it.  I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed  to work with Jaws.

There is something  called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here.  Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this  for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

 

David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 08:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more  than five, not that I need that manyJ

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

 

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock  applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set  a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock  apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 14 November 2019 07:35
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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ARORA Meesha
 

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

 

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws  can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give  will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

 

Anyway here we go as a start list.

 

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.

 

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

 

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll  (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion  (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud  (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView  (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create  mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing  and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

 

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch  (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud  3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue  (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

 

 

Hope we can start something here.

of

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 November 2019 14:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip  to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with  all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list  of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

 

David Griffith

 

 

                               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 13:24
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store  but I was not sure you would be able to use it.  I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed  to work with Jaws.

There is something  called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here.  Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this  for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

 

David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 08:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more  than five, not that I need that manyJ

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

 

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock  applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set  a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock  apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 14 November 2019 07:35
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.

I don’t know if  anybody knows if this is true and whether  or how we could  use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: 18 November 2019 08:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

 

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws  can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give  will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

 

Anyway here we go as a start list.

 

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.

 

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

 

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll  (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion  (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud  (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView  (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create  mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing  and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

 

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch  (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud  3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue  (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

 

 

Hope we can start something here.

of

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith via Groups.Io
Sent: 15 November 2019 14:12
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

 

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip  to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with  all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list  of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about 10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

 

David Griffith

 

 

                               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 13:24
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store  but I was not sure you would be able to use it.  I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed  to work with Jaws.

There is something  called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here.  Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this  for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

 

David Griffith

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: 15 November 2019 08:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more  than five, not that I need that manyJ

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

 

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock  applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set  a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock  apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

 

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: ARORA Meesha
Sent: 14 November 2019 07:35
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ARORA Meesha
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

 

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or
non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a
program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I
disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a
group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page
with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted
to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where
members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure,
and who wants that.

-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application
would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which
may host this information.

I don’t know if  anybody knows if this is true and whether  or how we
could  use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using
various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we
are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those
which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber
& Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system
that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws  can think is
accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used
MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any
clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will
be able to give  will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I
forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than
with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs
that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all
into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll  (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco
website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion  (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud  (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView  (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create  mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing  and
saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module
which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch  (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud  3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue  (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

of

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*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list
the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip  to make it easier to establish which app people
have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R
run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with  all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the
context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps,
after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space ,
then H and you should see the list  of apps you have arrowed down in a
form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control
a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps
into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t
work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work
with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on
your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or
criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it
didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS
accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can
put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give
it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps
names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next
version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is
available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store  but I
was not sure you would be able to use it.  I am especially pleased it is
accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is
improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and
Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed  to work with Jaws.

There is something  called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility
Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well
but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list
website but this seems defunct now and will not load here.  Tom
Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad
death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this  for the community I guess but if anybody
has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some
program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it
is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I
have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
 than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock  applications or
Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set  a website like this up to your desired time zone you
can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of
further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10
Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search
for World Clock  apps rather than clock apps as normal clock
applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then
navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one
clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van
Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but
if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your
screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray,
then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks.  I usually find focus is
at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to
arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the
icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of
it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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OK does anybody have any other ideas for a repository site?
I have approached the British Computer Association of the Blind ( Now Technology Assistance for VIP ) and they have agreed to discuss whether they can help with a page on their website at their Board Meeting on Thursday but an alternative back up plan might also be useful.
David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 18 November 2019 19:53
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

of

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io
<mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no? otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

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*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to
get too long.

I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project
of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add
something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that
creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining
the wiki to make sure the information is correct?

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else
who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have
on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you
suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no?
otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would
just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their
homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or
non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a
program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I
disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a
group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page
with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted
to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where
members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure,
and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application
would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which
may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we
could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using
various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we
are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those
which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber
& Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system
that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is
accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used
MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any
clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will
be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I
forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than
with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs
that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all
into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco
website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and
saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module
which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

of

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Windows 10

*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io
<mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list
the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people
have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R
run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the
context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps,
after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space ,
then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a
form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control
a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps
into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t
work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work
with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on
your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or
criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it
didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS
accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can
put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give
it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps
names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next
version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is
available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I
was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is
accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is
improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and
Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility
Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well
but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list
website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom
Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad
death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody
has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some
program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it
is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I
have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or
Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you
can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of
further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10
Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search
for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock
applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then
navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one
clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van
Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but
if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your
screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray,
then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is
at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to
arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the
icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of
it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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I do think we should start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that over time we could develop something more useful.
For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long provided we develop the right presentation.
In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise categories of app with simple headings.
For example
Office Productivity
Email and Messaging.
Audio and Video Tools
File Management and Compression
Media Players
Microsoft Store Apps
Inbuilt Windows apps
Games
and so on an so on.
We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most logical categories are.
There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by a press of the H key.

Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.

In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed in the future by an option to post comments which could query the suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.

For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really suitable for the accessible program resource list.

People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app. Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description.
In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up.
This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the first place I think, and work from there.
I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped down initial presentation of a categorised list.
I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently restricted to just running a Word Press blog.
David Griffith

they -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to get too long.

I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no?
otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

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*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

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*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

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*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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Hello,
Just one correction: if I understand correctly, this lisst is of
programs that are used together with JAWS screen reader. Am I right?
If so, then NVDA should not go strate to the list because it cannot be
used with the JAWS at the same time.
If I am wrong, appologies; Please forget this then in case it was my
misunderstanding.
Thanks.
Best regards,
Paulius L.

David Griffith
 

Yes of course you are right I will take it out. Thanks for pointing this out

On 18 Nov 2019, at 16:39, Paulius <@Karalius> wrote:

Hello,
Just one correction: if I understand correctly, this lisst is of
programs that are used together with JAWS screen reader. Am I right?
If so, then NVDA should not go strate to the list because it cannot be
used with the JAWS at the same time.
If I am wrong, appologies; Please forget this then in case it was my
misunderstanding.
Thanks.
Best regards,
Paulius L.

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right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list
continue as started.

-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I do think we should start simple rather than get bogged down. But I
also think that over time we could develop something more useful.
For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long
provided we develop the right presentation.
In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise
categories of app with simple headings.
For example
Office Productivity
Email and Messaging.
Audio and Video Tools
File Management and Compression
Media Players
Microsoft Store Apps
Inbuilt Windows apps
Games
and so on an so on.
We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most logical
categories are.
There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category
and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by a
press of the H key.

Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app
would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.

In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I
would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed in
the future by an option to post comments which could query the
suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.

For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page
comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our
existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really suitable
for the accessible program resource list.

People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their
concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app.
Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some
clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description.
In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to
agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to
the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if
ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed
approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up.
This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not
bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the first
place I think, and work from there.
I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped
down initial presentation of a categorised list.
I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a group
initiative really plus my web page skills are presently restricted to
just running a Word Press blog.
David Griffith

they -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to
get too long.

I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project
of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add
something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that
creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining
the wiki to make sure the information is correct?

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is
interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this
topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you
suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no?
otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would
just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their
homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or
non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a
program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I
disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a
group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page
with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted
to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where
members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure,
and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application
would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which
may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we
could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using
various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we
are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those
which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber
& Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system
that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is
accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used
MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any
clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will
be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I
forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than
with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs
that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all
into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco
website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and
saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module
which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

of

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*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list
the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people
have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R
run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the
context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps,
after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space ,
then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a
form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control
a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps
into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t
work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work
with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on
your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or
criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it
didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS
accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can
put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give
it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps
names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next
version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is
available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I
was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is
accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is
improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and
Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility
Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well
but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list
website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom
Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad
death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody
has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some
program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it
is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I
have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or
Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you
can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of
further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10
Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search
for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock
applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

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Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then
navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one
clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van
Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but
if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your
screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray,
then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is
at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to
arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the
icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of
it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below.
The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this is a first draft only.


Microsoft Store Apps
World Clock
KNFB Reader (Paid)

Office
Word - all versions (Paid)
Jarte + (Free and Paid versions)
Excel all versions. (Paid)
Wordpad (included with Windows )
Notepad (included with Windows )

Email and Messenging
Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid)
Windows Mail (included with Windows )
Thunderbird (Free)
TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or donation)
Microsoft People (included with Windows )
Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)

Cloud Storage
DropBox (Free and Paid)
OneDrive (Free and Paid)
SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid)
Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid)
iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)

Programming- Web Development
Cisco Jabber
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website
Oracle applications
Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

Podcasts and News readers.
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)
QCastv (paid)
Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)

Compression and File Utility
7-Zip (Free)
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free)
SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions)
Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free)
Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free)
Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free)
Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free)
Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)

OCR and Scanning
ABBYY FineReader 12(paid)
Kurzweil V14. (paid)
Open Book (paid)

Audio and CD Tools
Audacity )Free )
GoldWave (Free and Paid versions)
Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free)
Switch File Conversion. (paid)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free)
Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free)
Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free)
Mp3DirectCut (Free)
Mp3Gain(Free)
Mp3Tag (Free)
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free)
DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)

Daisy and Audio Book Software
FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws)
HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free)
Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free)
Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free)
Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free)
OverDrive for Windows (Free)
Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)

eBook reading
Kindle PC app all versions (Free)
QRead (Paid)
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free)
Bookworm ) (Free)
FSReader (included with Jawws)
SpeakOn Media Suite (Free)
Codex eBook Converter. (Free)
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)

Music radio and Media Players
VLC (Free)
WinAmp (Free)
Windows Media Player included With Windows)
iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free)
BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free)
BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free)
SpeakOn Media Suite (Free)
Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions)
Spotify (Free and paid versions)

Speech TTS
Eloquence (paid)
Ivona Voices. (paid)

Other Utilities
Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free)
Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)
CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free)
Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients)
Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free)
Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.) (Free)

Web Browsers (all free)
Google chrome
Brave
Firefox
Waterfox
Internet explorer (included with Windows)
edge (included with Windows)

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list continue as started.


-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs
I do think we should start simple rather than get bogged down. But I
also think that over time we could develop something more useful.
For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long
provided we develop the right presentation.
In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise
categories of app with simple headings.
For example
Office Productivity
Email and Messaging.
Audio and Video Tools
File Management and Compression
Media Players
Microsoft Store Apps
Inbuilt Windows apps
Games
and so on an so on.
We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most logical
categories are.
There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category
and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by a
press of the H key.

Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app
would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.

In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I
would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed in
the future by an option to post comments which could query the
suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.

For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page
comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our
existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really suitable
for the accessible program resource list.

People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their
concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app.
Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some
clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description.
In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to
agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to
the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if
ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed
approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up.
This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not
bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the first
place I think, and work from there.
I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped
down initial presentation of a categorised list.
I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a group
initiative really plus my web page skills are presently restricted to
just running a Word Press blog.
David Griffith

they -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to
get too long.

I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project
of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add
something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that
creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining
the wiki to make sure the information is correct?

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is
interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this
topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you
suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no?
otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would
just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their
homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or
non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a
program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I
disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a
group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page
with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted
to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where
members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure,
and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application
would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which
may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we
could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using
various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we
are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those
which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber
& Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system
that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is
accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used
MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any
clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will
be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I
forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than
with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs
that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all
into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco
website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and
saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module
which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

of

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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io
<mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list
the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people
have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R
run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the
context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps,
after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space ,
then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a
form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control
a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps
into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t
work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work
with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on
your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or
criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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Windows 10

*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it
didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS
accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can
put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give
it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps
names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next
version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is
available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I
was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is
accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is
improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and
Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility
Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well
but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list
website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom
Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad
death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody
has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some
program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it
is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I
have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David
Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or
Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you
can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of
further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10
Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search
for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock
applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then
navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one
clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van
Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but
if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your
screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray,
then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is
at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to
arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the
icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of
it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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David, are you going to be maintaining this list going forward?

I can add a few additions if you are interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: November 19, 2019 3:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below.
The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this is a first draft only.


Microsoft Store Apps
World Clock
KNFB Reader (Paid)

Office
Word - all versions (Paid)
Jarte + (Free and Paid versions)
Excel all versions. (Paid)
Wordpad (included with Windows )
Notepad (included with Windows )

Email and Messenging
Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid)
Windows Mail (included with Windows )
Thunderbird (Free)
TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)

Cloud Storage
DropBox (Free and Paid)
OneDrive (Free and Paid)
SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid)
Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid)
iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)

Programming- Web Development
Cisco Jabber
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

Podcasts and News readers.
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)

Compression and File Utility
7-Zip (Free)
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)

OCR and Scanning
ABBYY FineReader 12(paid)
Kurzweil V14. (paid)
Open Book (paid)

Audio and CD Tools
Audacity )Free )
GoldWave (Free and Paid versions)
Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free)
Switch File Conversion. (paid)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free)
Mp3Gain(Free)
Mp3Tag (Free)
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free)
DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)

Daisy and Audio Book Software
FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws)
HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)

eBook reading
Kindle PC app all versions (Free)
QRead (Paid)
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free)
Bookworm ) (Free)
FSReader (included with Jawws)
SpeakOn Media Suite (Free)
Codex eBook Converter. (Free)
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)

Music radio and Media Players
VLC (Free)
WinAmp (Free)
Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)

Speech TTS
Eloquence (paid)
Ivona Voices. (paid)

Other Utilities
Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free)
Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.) (Free)

Web Browsers (all free)
Google chrome
Brave
Firefox
Waterfox
Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list continue as started.


-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that over time we could develop something more useful.
For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long provided we develop the right presentation.
In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise categories of app with simple headings.
For example
Office Productivity
Email and Messaging.
Audio and Video Tools
File Management and Compression
Media Players
Microsoft Store Apps
Inbuilt Windows apps
Games
and so on an so on.
We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most logical categories are.
There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by a press of the H key.

Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app
would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.

In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed in the future by an option to post comments which could query the suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.

For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really suitable for the accessible program resource list.

People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app.
Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some
clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description.
In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up.
This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the first place I think, and work from there.
I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped down initial presentation of a categorised list.
I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently restricted to just running a Word Press blog.
David Griffith

they -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to get too long.

I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no?
otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

of

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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io
<mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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On 19 Nov 2019, at 21:02, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Hi.

David, are you going to be maintaining this list going forward?

I can add a few additions if you are interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: November 19, 2019 3:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

OK here is a first stab at a categorised master list below.
The final list will probably have the categories rearranged but this is a first draft only.


Microsoft Store Apps
World Clock
KNFB Reader (Paid)

Office
Word - all versions (Paid)
Jarte + (Free and Paid versions)
Excel all versions. (Paid)
Wordpad (included with Windows )
Notepad (included with Windows )

Email and Messenging
Microsoft Outlook all versions. (Paid)
Windows Mail (included with Windows )
Thunderbird (Free)
TW Blue Twitter Client. (Free or donation) Microsoft People (included with Windows ) Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts) (Free)

Cloud Storage
DropBox (Free and Paid)
OneDrive (Free and Paid)
SendSpace Wizard (Free and Paid)
Open Drive Desktop client.(Free and Paid)
iCloud also (for transfer to iPhone and iPad)(Free and Paid)

Programming- Web Development
Cisco Jabber
Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website Oracle applications Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

Podcasts and News readers.
RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) QCastv (paid) Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free)

Compression and File Utility
7-Zip (Free)
DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory. (Free) SyncBack Free (Back up utility) Free and paid versions) Explorer ++ (Fast alternative to File Explorer) (Free) Master Seeker (Fast file finder) (Free) Bulk Rename Utility (Multiple File rename) (Free) Copy Path - Copy file path to clipboard from application menu. (Free) Copy file Names (Can copy multiple filenames from selected files to clipboard via application key.) (Free)

OCR and Scanning
ABBYY FineReader 12(paid)
Kurzweil V14. (paid)
Open Book (paid)

Audio and CD Tools
Audacity )Free )
GoldWave (Free and Paid versions)
Format Factory (File Conversion)(Free)
Switch File Conversion. (paid)
FreeM4B to Mp3 converter (Need to use Jaws Cursor) (Free) Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader) (Free) Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound card)(Free) Mp3DirectCut (Free)
Mp3Gain(Free)
Mp3Tag (Free)
CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)(Free)
CD Burner XP (CD Burner (Free)
DVD Audio Extractor (Paide)

Daisy and Audio Book Software
FSReader 3 (Included with Jaws)
HumanWare Companion (For Victor reader Devices) (Free) Daisy Book Generator (Converts Audio Books into Daisy Books) (Free) Audible Manager and downloader (Now buggy as not updated - need to install Windows 7/8 Versions.) (Free) Inaudible Audible book Converter (Free) OverDrive for Windows (Free) Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)(Free)

eBook reading
Kindle PC app all versions (Free)
QRead (Paid)
Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader) (Free)
Bookworm ) (Free)
FSReader (included with Jawws)
SpeakOn Media Suite (Free)
Codex eBook Converter. (Free)
TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books from eBooks) (Paid)

Music radio and Media Players
VLC (Free)
WinAmp (Free)
Windows Media Player included With Windows) iTunes (Needs column browser enabled for use with screenreader) (Free) BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie) (Free) BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie) (Free) SpeakOn Media Suite (Free) Tapin Radio (Free and Paid versions) Spotify (Free and paid versions)

Speech TTS
Eloquence (paid)
Ivona Voices. (paid)

Other Utilities
Belarc Advisor ) (Diagnostics) (Free)
Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)(Free)
Clock2 (Clock announce , reminder and alarm(Webbie Accessibility Suite) (Free) CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)(Free) Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing) (Free for clients) Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard) (Free) Irfanview (Image viewing and editing Software.) (Free)

Web Browsers (all free)
Google chrome
Brave
Firefox
Waterfox
Internet explorer (included with Windows) edge (included with Windows)


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 19 November 2019 15:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

right, keep it as simple as possible. sounds good. let this list continue as started.


-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 8:33 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs I do think we should start simple rather than get bogged down. But I also think that over time we could develop something more useful.
For example I don't agree that the list should or must get too long provided we develop the right presentation.
In this case it should be very easy right from the start to devise categories of app with simple headings.
For example
Office Productivity
Email and Messaging.
Audio and Video Tools
File Management and Compression
Media Players
Microsoft Store Apps
Inbuilt Windows apps
Games
and so on an so on.
We could hopefully agree as a group on this list what the most logical categories are.
There would then be relatively few programs and apps in each category and people could jump to the category they are most interested in by a press of the H key.

Eventually a short description and information on how to obtain the app
would in my view also be good including a download link if possible.

In terms of reliability/authenticity / validity of app suggestions I would not take too heavy a hand. Perhaps this could be best managed in the future by an option to post comments which could query the suitability of an app posting and any possible problems with using it.

For the present, before we find out how to develop a formal web page comment facility , we could immediately instead simply use our existing email list here to discuss whether an app is really suitable for the accessible program resource list.

People who disagree that an app is accessible could express their concerns here and other defend / explain how they manage to use the app.
Hopefully a consensus could then be reached with possibly some
clarifying access strategies included in the app/program description.
In the unlikely event such an initiative is abused I guess we need to agree someone to have responsibility for removing app suggestions to the program list. but I would anticipate that this would be rarely if ever needed and instead a light touch rather than a heavy handed approach would hopefully suffice. We are hopefully all grown up.
This is all down the line though and I hope negative worries do not bog us down. We need just a simple platform to host a list in the first place I think, and work from there.
I am sure many would find it immediately useful even in this stripped down initial presentation of a categorised list.
I am happy to help with some legwork but I think it should be a group initiative really plus my web page skills are presently restricted to just running a Word Press blog.
David Griffith

they -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 18 November 2019 21:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

if this list is going to continue, at some point, the list is going to get too long.

I thought a wiki is a webpage where members can contribute to a project of some sort. the concern is that someone can unintentionally add something that is inaccurate, not up to date, or misleading. so, that creates the question, is someone going to be in charge of maintaining the wiki to make sure the information is correct?

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 3:32 PM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Well, the idea is interesting and, in response to Randy or someone else who posted on this topic, I started writing a list of the stuff I have on here.
But if not a wiki, or something along a similar concept, what do you suggest?
I mean, the whole point would be that users could contribute, no?
otherwise, the project wouldn't really get off the ground -- it would just be one or two guys' opinions on what programmes work well on their homepage, and, as you say, "who wants that?" :P


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: November 18, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I agree there should be a central repository (website) where members or non members who are blind or visually impaired could read about a program and save it to their computer if they want to use a copy, but I disagree it should be connected to a wiki page. I was participating in a group discussion (a few years ago) and we decided to create a wiki page with alot of information about our discussions but hardly anyone wanted to spend the time to contribute to the wiki. plus, using a wiki where members can post inaccurate information about a program or procedure, and who wants that.



-------- Original Message --------
From: David Griffith [mailto:daj.griffith@...]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2019, 10:18 AM
Subject: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs Many thanks

I have saved your additions and will create a master list.

I agree that a short description would be helpful.

Also eventually a download link or advice on how to get the application would also be helpful I think,.

Someone suggested that a Wiki page may be available to this list which may host this information.

I don’t know if anybody knows if this is true and whether or how we could use it for such a purpose.

Thanks again

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 18 November 2019 08:31
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

Thanks David, it’s a good start. It will also give us idea about using various JAWS compatible programs which may be useful to us other than we are currently using. Perhaps a small description can be added to those which are not obvious in their use.I have added two extra –Cisco Jabber & Oracle applications

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 3:37 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I followed my own advice and reproduce the list of programs on my system that I have used at least once or twice with Jaws can think is accessible. Some programs I have used more than others. I have used MP3Direct cut hundreds of times but Audacity less so if people want any clarification of the programs I use then the amount of feedback I will be able to give will vary.

By the way in creating the application folder tip I gave earlier I forgot to remember that you get more joy arrowing rightwards rather than with the down arrow in reading what all your installed apps are.

Anyway here we go as a start list.

N.B rather than reproduce all these People could perhaps add programs that they are using to this list and I can try and consolidate it all into a master list.

Programs I am personally using with Jaws.

7-Zip

ABBYY FineReader 12

Audacity

Audible Manager and downloader

Balabolka (eBook TTS Reader)

BBC iPlayer TV (Webbie)

BBC iPlayer Radio (Webbie)

Belarc Advisor (Diagnostics)

Brave Browser

Bookworm (eBook reader – only just installed)

Bulk Rename Utility

CDex 1.71 (CD Ripper)

CD Burner XP (CD Burner – have only used to limited extent)

CloseAll (Closes all windows and applications running)

Clock2 (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Copy file Names

Copy Path

Codex eBook Converter.

Cisco Jabber softphone accessible with JAWS scripts available on Cisco website

Daisy Book Generator

DirZip (for creating separate zips of several folders in a directory.

Dropbox

DVD Audio Extractor

Eloquence

Excel

Explorer ++

Firefox Portable

Format Factory (File Conversion)

FreeM4B to Mp3 converter

FSReader 3

GoldWave

Google Chrome

Humanware Companion (For Victor reader Devices)

Internet Explorer

Inaudible Audible book Converter

iCloud (for transfer to iPone and iPad)

iTunes

IrfanView (image viewer- now only use to Jaws OCR on)

Jarte +(Wordpad Replacement with spellchecker and other features)

Jaws 2019

JAWS 2020

Kindle Accessible Version

Kurzweil 1000 v. 14

NVDA

Mail

Master Seeker (Fast file finder)

Microsoft Edge

Mp3Directcut (easy editing of mp3 files)

MP3Gain(increase volume of mp3 files)

MP3Tag (edit and quickly create mp3 ags)

Narrator

Notepad

Office

OneDrive

Outlook

Outlook Address Book View. (allows more reliable and easier viewing and saving of contacts)

Open Book

Oracle Enterprise suite (can confirm the accessibility on Finance module which works after installing Java –both 32 bit & 64 bit)

QCast (Podcast downloader)

QRead (eBook Reader)

OverDrive for Windows

People

Ponte's Media Downloader (Youtube downloader)

Podcast downloader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Plextext transfer (For use with Pllextalk Daisy Readers)

RSS Reader (Webbie Accessibility Suite)

Sendspace Wizard

Sharp Keys (For remapping keyboard)

Speak On Media Suite (For accessing RNIB Newspapers etc)

Spotify

SyncBack Free (Back up utility)

Switch (Media Converter)

Task Manager

Tapin Radio

TextAloud 3 (Creates TTS Audio Books)

Team Viewer (Remote Screen sharing)

TWBlue (Twitter Client)

Unchecki (Stops Adware and Malware by unchecking boxes in installs)

VLC media player

Windows Media Player

Waterfox Portable

Word

WordPad

Virtual Recorder (Records output from sound car)

Hope we can start something here.

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*From: *David Griffith via Groups.Io
<mailto:daj.griffith=gmail.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 14:12
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Resource for Jaws Accessible Programs

I changed the subject line to reflect the new discussion.

As a starting point on this list it would be useful if people could list the programs they know work well on their system with Jaws.

I can offer one tip to make it easier to establish which app people have on their system. Someone might have a better idea.

If you type or copy and paste the following command into the windows R run dialogue,

shell:AppsFolder command

and press enter

This will open a list view with all the apps you have on your system.

You can simply arrow down to review then all.

Here you can press enter to run the app or perhaps more usefully use the context key to create a shortcut .

For our purposes here you simply have to cursor down the list of aps, after about 10 apps open the Jaws speech history with insert space , then H and you should see the list of apps you have arrowed down in a form that you can copy and paste into a notepad file by pressing control a and then control c.

Alt tab back to your apps folder and continue cursoring down for about
10 app, open speech history history again and copy the resulting apps into your notepad file.

Continue until you have a file list of all the apps on your system.

As I say someone else might have a more elegant solution.

In any case edit the Notepad file to delete all the apps you know don’t work with Jaws.

Also you should probably delete any app that you don’t know if they work with Jaws or if you don’t want anybody else to know you have this app on your system.

I’ll try and do this as a starter list and others can then add or criticise the resulting list I have.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *15 November 2019 13:24
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes David, even I was delighted to find that JAWS works on this as it didn’t work on other apps I tried.

As for having a resource which could provide us with the list of JAWS accessible program, I think it will be immensely useful. Perhaps we can put the programs/Apps names in an excel and share it. May be we can give it versions so if any one wishes to add any list of programs or apps names, they can add these to the existing list and save it to the next version and share it in this group.

Perhaps it would work at least for the interim untill such a resource is available through Vispero.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2019 12:33 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Very glad it worked– I did see this option on the Microsoft Store but I was not sure you would be able to use it. I am especially pleased it is accessible with Jaws. Not all apps are though I think the situation is improving.

We need an Apple Vis type website with category lists of programs and Microsoft Store Apps Which are confirmed to work with Jaws.

There is something called NVDA Road tested Programs on Accessibility Net which is pretty much guaranteed to provide options for Jaws as well but somethings are accessible with Jaws and not NVDA and vice versa.

There used to be a Programs page on the old Jaws User Mailing list website but this seems defunct now and will not load here. Tom Lorimore’s White Stick website will not be update given his recent sad death. I don’t know if anybody else knows of a similar resource?

VFO Should really host this for the community I guess but if anybody has a web page that could be used I would be happy to provide some program suggestions and comments.

David Griffith

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* 15 November 2019 08:26
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Good Idea David, I tried a world clock app on the Microsoft store and it is accessible with JAWS and it groups different time zones although I have to navigate few times to reach it. Good part is that I can add more
than five, not that I need that manyJ

Thanks for the suggestion.

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *David Griffith
*Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:22 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

As a workaround have you tried separate World Clock applications or Website?

For example

https://greenwichmeantime.com/timepiece/world-clock/

Once you have set a website like this up to your desired time zone you can set it up as a shortcut on your desktop or even, with a bit of further fiddling and editing of the shortcut, put it on the windows 10 Taskbar. Let me know if you want instructions on this.

In terms of apps rather than websites I think you will need to search for World Clock apps rather than clock apps as normal clock applications will just provide the standard feedback from the system time.

David Griffith

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*From: *ARORA Meesha <mailto:meesha.arora@...>
*Sent: *14 November 2019 07:35
*To: *main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Yes I did try to go to the clock after pressing Windows B and then navigating to the system clock however it only provides feedback for one clock and not the other one.

Thanks

Meesha

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:06 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

You probably cannot do it with the JAWS F12 keystroke to check time, but if both clocks appear on your System tray in the bottom right of your screen, then you can try using Windows key B to get to the system tray, then arrowing left or right to hear the clocks. I usually find focus is at the far left of the icons in the system tray, so it is fastest to arrow left and focus will quickly circle around to the far right of the icons where the standard system clock is.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *ARORA Meesha
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:01 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* How to navigate between two clocks with JAWS

Hi members,

Can I check time for two time zones simultaneously using JAWS?

I have added two clocks however JAWS just provides feedback for one of it so not sure how to access time for the other one.

Thanks,

Meesha



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