-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing the key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way as your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to their usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be concerned about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted assistance. Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected all the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and turned the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke narrator via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no sighted assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7 Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer. However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart to complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several times, I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start Narrator but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to restart Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of the computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again, only to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the reboot process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility did not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from the computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files and folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh install will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I for one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and installs the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised if you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any partitions on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows, before turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am planning on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up. Just need to install the SSD and memory first. I�m curious to find this out personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer while you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new version of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course, formatting the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows, you will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer, place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is a computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to use the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is at the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard drive on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer, might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What�s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an old XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing windows 10

which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again, only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows, before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up. Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course, formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows, you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice
access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or
flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again, only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows, before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up. Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I�m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course, formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows, you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What�s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used
the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it,
there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a
bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD
drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice
access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or
flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will
start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing
the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way
as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to
their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be
concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted
assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected
all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and
turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke
narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no
sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart
to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several
times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start
Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to
restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of
the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again,
only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the
reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility
did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from
the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files
and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh
install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I
for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and
installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised
if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any
partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows,
before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable
media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am
planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I�m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer
while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new
version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course,
formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows,
you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is
a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to
use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is
at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard
drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host
computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What�s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an
old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...

-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@...]
Sent: Monday, Aug 14, 2017 8:35 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing windows 10

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made
sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any
partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a
new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should
produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no
bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else
could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used
the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it,
there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a
bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD
drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice
access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or
flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will
start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing
the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way
as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to
their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be
concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted
assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected
all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and
turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke
narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no
sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart
to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several
times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start
Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to
restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of
the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again,
only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the
reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility
did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from
the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files
and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh
install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I
for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and
installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised
if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any
partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows,
before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable
media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am
planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I�m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer
while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new
version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course,
formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows,
you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is
a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to
use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is
at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard
drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host
computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What�s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an
old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...




















.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 10:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Alan, did you need to change which device to boot from before installing
from the USB , and if so, how? I recall it can be either changed in the
BIOS or at bootup, but either way would require sighted assistance...
unless you memorized what to do or you know of another trick?



-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@...]
Sent: Monday, Aug 14, 2017 8:35 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing windows 10

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made
sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any
partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a
new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should
produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no
bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else
could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used
the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it,
there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a
bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD
drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice
access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or
flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will
start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing
the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way
as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to
their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be
concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted
assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected
all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and
turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke
narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no
sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart
to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several
times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start
Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to
restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of
the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again,
only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the
reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility
did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from
the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files
and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh
install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I
for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and
installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised
if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any
partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows,
before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable
media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am
planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I�m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer
while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new
version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course,
formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows,
you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is
a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to
use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is
at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard
drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host
computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What�s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an
old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...




















.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Alan, did you need to change which device to boot from before installing from the USB , and if so, how? I recall it can be either changed in the BIOS or at bootup, but either way would require sighted assistance...
unless you memorized what to do or you know of another trick?



-------- Original Message --------
From: Alan Robbins [mailto:alan1057@...]
Sent: Monday, Aug 14, 2017 8:35 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: installing windows 10

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it, there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing the key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way as your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to their usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be concerned about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected all the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and turned the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke narrator via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no sighted assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7 Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart to complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several times, I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start Narrator but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to restart Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of the computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again, only to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the reboot process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility did not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from the computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files and folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh install will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I for one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and installs the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised if you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any partitions on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows, before turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am planning on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I m curious to find this out personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer while you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new version of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course, formatting the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows, you will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer, place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is a computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to use the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is at the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard drive on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer, might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an old XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...




















.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it, there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice
access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or
flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will
start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing
the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way
as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to
their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be
concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted
assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected
all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and
turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke
narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no
sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart
to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several
times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start
Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to
restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of
the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again,
only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the
reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility
did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from
the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files
and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh
install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I
for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and
installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised
if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any
partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows,
before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable
media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am
planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer
while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new
version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course,
formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows,
you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is
a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to
use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is
at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard
drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host
computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an
old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Hello all,
Some of you may have a memory of my constant complaints of my Win 10 acting oddly.
Our computer guy agrees that something is off here. I am getting tons of errors logged in the event viewer. The errors are not what he would be concerned about the event code is 10016. He said all in all that error is not a big deal but when I am getting it I am getting 5 or more in a second and thousands per day.
So what he suggests is either wipe this unit and reload or for the sake of speediness get a new unit all together and start over fresh out of the box. I didn't know but this unit originally was a seven updated to eight and then to ten. He suspects something happened in the several updates.

My questions is it possible for me to do this wipe and reinstall?
I received my Win 10 with the offer for accessibility users. I don't know how it knew that there was assistive tech on this unit? Will I be able to reinstall Win 10 without assistive tech on this unit after wiping it off?

Thanks for any assistance.
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it, there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing
the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way
as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to
their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be
concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted
assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected
all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and
turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke
narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no
sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart
to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several
times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start
Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to
restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of
the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again,
only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the
reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility
did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from
the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files
and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh
install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I
for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and
installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised
if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any
partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows,
before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable
media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am
planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer
while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new
version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course,
formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows,
you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is
a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to
use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is
at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard
drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host
computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an
old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Shannon
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Hello all,
Some of you may have a memory of my constant complaints of my Win 10 acting oddly.
Our computer guy agrees that something is off here. I am getting tons of errors logged in the event viewer. The errors are not what he would be concerned about the event code is 10016. He said all in all that error is not a big deal but when I am getting it I am getting 5 or more in a second and thousands per day.
So what he suggests is either wipe this unit and reload or for the sake of speediness get a new unit all together and start over fresh out of the box. I didn't know but this unit originally was a seven updated to eight and then to ten. He suspects something happened in the several updates.

My questions is it possible for me to do this wipe and reinstall?
I received my Win 10 with the offer for accessibility users. I don't know how it knew that there was assistive tech on this unit? Will I be able to reinstall Win 10 without assistive tech on this unit after wiping it off?

Thanks for any assistance.
Shannon
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

Dave,
Sounds like we followed a similar pre setup process. As with you, I made sure the SSD I installed into my Intel NUC was completely free of any partitions etc. In other words, it was as though I just took it out of a new box.
Now, you were using a DVD, I was using a flash drive. Either one should produce the same result as the unit will go to that because there is no bootable media present.
Below is the link I used to create the win 10 install on my flash drive:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

This download gives me the latest version of Win 10 Creator's update.
I guess you could try again to see what happens. I don't know what else could be the problem.
Let me know how you make out.

Best,
Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: installing windows 10

I put the SSD into a USB caddy and connected it to my Laptop. I then used the Partition Manager, to make sure there were no existing partitions on it, there wer not. So, when I started the laptop, because there was not a bootable partition on the SSD, the bootable DVD in the DVD drive, became the bootable media by default.

----- Original Message -----
From: "netbat66" <netbat66@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: installing windows 10


which version of windows 10?
only the anaversory version has a talking setup.
it starts up with voice and instructs you to turn narrator on for full voice
access.
i think you still have to change the boot order in bios so the dvd drive or
flash drive boots first . then the c drive. then the installation will
start.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Allen:

Congratulations. You had better luck than I did. I downloaded the 64 BIT ISo
image Windows 10 file from Microsoft, burned the image to a DVD, loaded a
blankn ssd into my HP laptop, inserted the dvd into the DVD drive, connected
the power cable, switched on and waited for about a minute, before pressing
the
key combination, CTRL+WINDOWS DEY+ENTER, to start Narrator.

Well! I waited! and I waited! Absolutely nothing.

I pressed the power button and a few seconds later, the computer shut down.

I took the SSD out of the laptop and tried the same procedure in a desktop
computer. I got the same result.

Where did you get your copy of the Windows 10 ISO image file?

There is something at work which is preventing Narrator from starting. The
version of the installation process may not have been set up in the same way
as
your version or, it is the brothers, sods and Merpheys Law, who are up to
their
usual mischief, which, of course, is meant to frustrate me. Don't be
concerned
about me, I am not being paranoid.

Again, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

---- Original Message -----

From: Alan Robbins
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data


Dave,



I had no trouble at all with the install of Win 10 without sighted
assistance.
Once I installed my memory and SSD correctly in my Intel NUC, I connected
all
the cables etc. I plugged my flash drive into one of the USB ports and
turned
the unit on. I waited about 15 to 20 seconds before trying to invoke
narrator
via Ctrl + windows key + enter. Once I hit that combination I had speech all
the way through the install and reboots. I did the entire thing with no
sighted
assistance. Anymore questions write back



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Al:







I tried using the Windows 10 Update Utility to update one of my Windows 7
Professional computers, with no success.







The Update Utility downloaded Windows 10 and installed it on the computer.
However, After I got the prompt, which said that windows needed to restart
to
complete the installation and that Windows might have to restart several
times,
I pressed ENTER to restart the computer.







Well, I have no idea what happened after that. I left the computer alone for
about an hour and tried pressing the Windows key combination to start
Narrator
but, nothing, absolutely nothing. After another hour, I tried again to
restart
Narrator but, still nothing. So, I gave up and forced a hard shut down of
the
computer and after about 20 seconds or so, I turned the computer on again,
only
to find that the computer started in Windows 7 Professional as before.







My conclusion is that the Update Utility detected a problem during the
reboot
process, and got stuck at that point, never to complete its mission. And, of
course, without sighted assistance, I will never know what the error was.







In order to make sure that any remnants of Windows 10 or its Update Utility
did
not remain on the system, I used Revo Uninstaller to first remove them from
the
computer, then I used CCleaner to check if there were any left over files
and
folders. Happily, there were not.







so, I have come to the conclusion for me at least, performing a fresh
install
will be the way to go.







For those who used the Windows 10 Update Utility with no problems or
difficulties, congratulations, I am glad it worked for you.







Al, please let us know how the installation of Windows 10 goes for you, I
for
one, will be very interested.







Note 1: Do not bank on the Windows 10 installation, offering a choice of
deleting/removing the old partition, before it partitions, formats and
installs
the new version of Windows. If it is like previous versions of the Windows
setup procedure, If an existing partition is detected, do not be surprised
if
you are given the option to install Windows in whatever free space which is
available on the drive. This is why I strongly suggest deleting any
partitions
on the drive first.







Note 2: If the computer has more than one Solid State Drive or hard drive
connected to the motherboard or connected to any USB ports, disconnect them
all, except of course, the drive on which you intend installing Windows,
before
turning on the computer and starting the installation from the bootable
media.







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: Alan Robbins



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 12:36 PM



Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Dave,



Sounds like a lot of good advice for folks out there.

Regarding a talking installer for Windows 10, not sure if there is one out
there labeled that but my understanding is the latest Wind 10 release offers
talk from Narrator almost instantly. What I hear is when booting from an
optical drive, or more common these days a flash drive, after the first
automatic boot, one can press win key plus ctrl key and enter to get speech
from narrator to complete the install. I have not used this yet but am
planning
on trying this weekend when I set my new Intel NUC7i5bnh barebones kit up.
Just
need to install the SSD and memory first. I m curious to find this out
personally



Al





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Durber
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Erasing a computer's data







Hello Brian:







First of all, you cannot format the system drive on any Windows computer
while
you are running a Windows session.







It is not just a question of formatting a system drive in order to remove an
installation of Windows from a system drive. You also need to delete the
existing partition as well, especially if you intend installing a new
version
of Windows on the same drive.







Even if you wish to use the existing drive as a data drive, I would suggest
deleting the old partition, creating a new partition and, of course,
formatting
the new partition.







If you need to recondition the system drive for a computer running Windows,
you
will probably need to remove the system drive from the particular computer,
place it into a caddy, connect the caddy to another computer, then, if it is
a
computer running Windows Vista, Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, you will need to
use
the Partition Manager, to delete/remove the old partition.







You should wait until the computer running Windows you are going to use, is
at
the Desktop, before switching on the USB caddy device containing the hard
drive
on which you wish to delete to partition.







I would strongly recommend not connecting the drive directly to another
computer's motherboard and then starting that computer. It is possible that
elements from the version of Windows on the drive from the other computer,
might affect the Windows installed on the host computer. This might also be
true, if you turn on the USB caddy device before turning on the Host
computer.







If you are intending to install Windows 7, you can use the talking install
program to do that. As far as I know, there is not a talking installation
method for installing Windows 8 or 8.1. There may be a talking install for
Windows 10 but, I haven't come across one as yet , despite performing many
internet searches.







HTH







Sincerely:







Dave Durber







----- Original Message -----



From: brian albriton



To: main@jfw.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 2:57 AM



Subject: Erasing a computer's data







What s the simplest way to erase or at the very least format a computer, an
old
XP machine?

Might I simply type format c: from the command line?

All the best, Brian





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