How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?
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Richard B. McDonald
Hi!
From time to time, especially on the Internet, I will ask a sighted person to look at something with me. They always say that although they can of course hear what JAWS is reading, they cannot see where on the screen this is. Sometimes, somehow perhaps related, JAWS might even be reading something that is really not even visible on the screen; like scrolling is not happening.
Is there some way or JAWS option to show exactly where on the screen JAWS is? Ideally, this would be something readily visible so sighted people could see where I am at on the screen. Additionally, ideally the screen would scroll along with the application (like a webpage).
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Artur Räpp
Hello,
Sometimes I use command route JAWS to PC (JAWS key+numpad minus). If everything goes well then JAWS moves mouse cursor there where JAWS is located.
Artur
From: Richard B. McDonald [mailto:richardbmcdonald@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 4:48 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?
Hi!
From time to time, especially on the Internet, I will ask a sighted person to look at something with me. They always say that although they can of course hear what JAWS is reading, they cannot see where on the screen this is. Sometimes, somehow perhaps related, JAWS might even be reading something that is really not even visible on the screen; like scrolling is not happening.
Is there some way or JAWS option to show exactly where on the screen JAWS is? Ideally, this would be something readily visible so sighted people could see where I am at on the screen. Additionally, ideally the screen would scroll along with the application (like a webpage).
Thanks, Richard |
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Marten Post Uiterweer
Artur,
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Look in the startmenu, all programs, Jaws if you have the option for Braille viewer. This will place an window on screen, where a sighted person can see, what jaws is reading. Regards, Marten On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:51:27 +0200 Artur Räpp <artur1248@...> wrote:
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mike mcglashon
is this braille viewer feature only available in jaws 15 and higher? the reason I ask is that I have jaws 14.0.9.... with windows 7 and I do not see a braille viewer option from the start menu after hitting enter on jaws?
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From: Marten Post Uiterweer Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:54 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS? Artur, Look in the startmenu, all programs, Jaws if you have the option for Braille viewer. This will place an window on screen, where a sighted person can see, what jaws is reading. Regards, Marten On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:51:27 +0200 Artur Räpp <artur1248@...> wrote: Hello, |
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Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Another setting which will assist sighted people to know where
JAWS is on the screen is "Show Virtual Viewer On Screen". This setting is
in the Basics menu of JAWS options.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
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Pablo Morales
Oh wow, if that feature exists , it would be great. I have the same problem when I am working with people with low vision or sighted people. It is very difficult to show them where is jaws reading, and some times what jaws reads is not on the screen.
From: Richard B. McDonald [mailto:richardbmcdonald@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:48 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?
Hi!
From time to time, especially on the Internet, I will ask a sighted person to look at something with me. They always say that although they can of course hear what JAWS is reading, they cannot see where on the screen this is. Sometimes, somehow perhaps related, JAWS might even be reading something that is really not even visible on the screen; like scrolling is not happening.
Is there some way or JAWS option to show exactly where on the screen JAWS is? Ideally, this would be something readily visible so sighted people could see where I am at on the screen. Additionally, ideally the screen would scroll along with the application (like a webpage).
Thanks, Richard |
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Marten Post Uiterweer
Mike,
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You can also type: braille when opening the startmenu. This will also show the brailleviewer. And the other option Bill wrote about: Show Virtual Viewer On Screen". in the basic menu of Jaws. Marten On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 09:14:41 -0600 "mike mcglashon" <michael.mcglashon@...> wrote:
is this braille viewer feature only available in jaws 15 and higher? the reason I ask is that I have jaws 14.0.9.... with windows 7 and I do not see a braille viewer option from the start menu after hitting enter on jaws? |
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Pablo Morales
Yes, it helps but I have noticed in the last years since windows 7 appears; that some times where is the Pc cursor or focus on the Pc, is not where the jaws cursor goes. I will be able to say that pressing that keystroke to move the jaws cursor to the Pc cursor works less than the 60% of the times. I would suggest to freedom Scientific, to creat a way to hight light the Pc cursor or the virtual Pc cursor. It is something that is really needed to be able to work, because we work between sighted people, or to ask for support, or just to help someone else who needs help.
From: Artur Räpp [mailto:artur1248@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:51 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?
Hello,
Sometimes I use command route JAWS to PC (JAWS key+numpad minus). If everything goes well then JAWS moves mouse cursor there where JAWS is located.
Artur
From: Richard B. McDonald [mailto:richardbmcdonald@...]
Hi!
From time to time, especially on the Internet, I will ask a sighted person to look at something with me. They always say that although they can of course hear what JAWS is reading, they cannot see where on the screen this is. Sometimes, somehow perhaps related, JAWS might even be reading something that is really not even visible on the screen; like scrolling is not happening.
Is there some way or JAWS option to show exactly where on the screen JAWS is? Ideally, this would be something readily visible so sighted people could see where I am at on the screen. Additionally, ideally the screen would scroll along with the application (like a webpage).
Thanks, Richard |
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Adrian Spratt
Bill,
Nice tip. This setting seems so desirable that I wonder why it isn’t checked by default, or even why the setting exists at all. Does it affect JAWS’ performance in any way, do you know?
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 10:16 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?
Another setting which will assist sighted people to know where JAWS is on the screen is "Show Virtual Viewer On Screen". This setting is in the Basics menu of JAWS options. Bill White billwhite92701@...
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On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 07:15 am, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Another setting which will assist sighted people to know where JAWS is on the screen is "Show Virtual Viewer On Screen". This setting is in the Basics menu of JAWS options. Bill, If turning this on does not have some really ugly effect on JAWS efficiency then every sighted JAWS tutor or assistant will bless the fact that you've revealed its existence. Even if it does, there are those occasions where turning it on will alleviate a lot of frustration for the sighted who are being asked to assist at that moment, then you can turn it off after. I only recently wrapped my head around the virtual cursor (thank you Mr. Martin), which comes hugely into play for both web pages and PDF files, and my clients cannot understand how I'm becoming confused until I tell them that JAWS is not "following" visibly what it's processing at the moment in speech. It really is profoundly disorienting when you're trying to follow along and suddenly there's nothing visible to follow along with. Brian |
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Maria Campbell
Sadly, I have that feature set to on, and yet hubby doesn't know
where I am on web pages.
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Maria Campbell lucky1inct@... When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. --Attributed to Jimi Hendrix On 1/30/2016 9:37 AM, Brian Vogel
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On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 07:15 am, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote: |
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Mario
Mike, the braille viewer should be listed as the first, if not second command in the startup menu: start menu, all programs, JAWS 14, braille viewer.
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On 1/30/2016 10:14 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:
is this braille viewer feature only available in jaws 15 and higher? |
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Jeff Christiansen
As a blind trainer the closest I have found to assisting sighted persons follow my current activity is to use
Control + Insert + numPad Minus
You will hear Jaws cursor will follow PC To toggle this setting off repeat
The problem screen readers have leaving this setting on is that it can and will inadvertently trigger tool tips and other actions.
HTH - jeff
From: Maria Campbell [mailto:lucky1inct@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:42 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?
Sadly, I have that feature set to on, and yet hubby doesn't know where I am on web pages. Maria Campbell lucky1inct@... When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. --Attributed to Jimi Hendrix On 1/30/2016 9:37 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
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On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 07:42 am, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:
Sadly, I have that feature set to on, and yet hubby doesn't know where I am on web pages. Hmmm. My fingers are itching to write FS Tech Support, and I'll do that in a couple of minutes. It's only because I wrote them asking about how to move through the ribbon groups via some method other than hitting TAB until you're fingers are exhausted that I learned the following, "You can move between the categories by performing the control+left or right arrow command." Those commands are not JAWS based, but Windows based, but I haven't known of anyone who knew them. It makes moving from group to group in the ribbon much faster when you know that a given item you're hunting for either is, or is likely to be, in a given group. Now I'll ask them if there's a way to set JAWS such that it visually follows what it's presenting via speech. Brian |
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Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
It doesn't affect the performance of JAWS in any way
whatsoever.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
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Tom Behler
Can someone explain to me and perhaps others what Braille viewer is, and how
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exactly it works? I am using Jaws 16 mere, and found the option in the start menu under Jaws. Is this something that already is enabled, or do I have to enable it? If so, how? And, will I have to enable it every time I need it, or is enabling it a set it and forget it kind of thing? Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan -----Original Message-----
From: Marten Post Uiterweer [mailto:martenpu@...] Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:54 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS? Artur, Look in the startmenu, all programs, Jaws if you have the option for Braille viewer. This will place an window on screen, where a sighted person can see, what jaws is reading. Regards, Marten On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:51:27 +0200 Artur Räpp <artur1248@...> wrote: Hello, |
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Tom Behler
Hi, everyone.
This is a very interesting thread.
For what it’s worth, I just checked, and the show virtual viewer on screen option is checked on this particular computer, and it doesn’t seem to affect Jaws performance in any negative way, at least as far as I can tell.
I still have my annoying text-entry problem with IE 11 here, but I am coming to believe that it is not a Jaws issue, since IE 11 works fine on my work laptop.
Am using Jaws 16 and Windows 7.
Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan
From: Adrian Spratt [mailto:Adrian@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 10:27 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?
Bill,
Nice tip. This setting seems so desirable that I wonder why it isn’t checked by default, or even why the setting exists at all. Does it affect JAWS’ performance in any way, do you know?
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Another setting which will assist sighted people to know where JAWS is on the screen is "Show Virtual Viewer On Screen". This setting is in the Basics menu of JAWS options. Bill White billwhite92701@...
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Maria Campbell
Now here is a good email to keep and remember the content, maybe?
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When I press insert plus control plus numpad minus, what happens is that for a moment hubby can tell where I am. Something about changing colors or brightness or something like that. Who knows, but it might be worth trying, if one could only remember it when needed? Maria Campbell lucky1inct@... When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. --Attributed to Jimi Hendrix On 1/30/2016 9:58 AM, Jeff Christiansen
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Richard B. McDonald
Hey Brian!
Please do report back to us all here when you get an answer from FS about this. Apparently, many others suffer from this besides me; which makes me feel better knowing that I am not the only one ; )
Best, Richard
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:00 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?
On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 07:42 am, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote: Sadly, I have that feature set to on, and yet hubby doesn't know where I am on web pages. Hmmm. My fingers are itching to write FS Tech Support, and I'll do that in a couple of minutes. It's only because I wrote them asking about how to move through the ribbon groups via some method other than hitting TAB until you're fingers are exhausted that I learned the following, "You can move between the categories by performing the control+left or right arrow command." Those commands are not JAWS based, but Windows based, but I haven't known of anyone who knew them. It makes moving from group to group in the ribbon much faster when you know that a given item you're hunting for either is, or is likely to be, in a given group. Now I'll ask them if there's a way to set JAWS such that it visually follows what it's presenting via speech. Brian |
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On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 08:43 am, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:
Please do report back to us all here when you get an answer from FS about this. I absolutely will. The following is the e-mail message I sent to FS Tech Support yesterday. The title I allude to is the title of this very thread. If when they respond, and they always have, I'll post the response here, too. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, A topic by this title has just come up on the JAWS for Windows mailing list, and it is a question I have had myself as a sighted JAWS tutor for a very long time now. I have finally wrapped my head around the JAWS virtual cursor and that both webpages and PDF files are reformatted in JAWS virtual space and traversed in JAWS virtual space and for someone who cannot see this is a complete non issue. However, sighted assistants and tutors such as myself are often called upon, and even if we do understand the JAWS virtual cursor (and many don't) it is insanity-making for a sighted person trying to assist to even begin to figure out where on the "real web page" JAWS is currently processing in JAWS virtual space. Is there any setting one can use in JAWS, whether "on demand" or permanent, that will make JAWS cause the actual web page to scroll as necessary to follow, visually, where the JAWS virtual cursor is in JAWS virtual space that corresponds to that visual location? |
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