Gmail?


Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?
Hello,
I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?
If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?
I look forward to your feedback.
Regard.



Soronel Haetir
 

Have you seen any reason to believe it is going away? Barring evidence
that it is I would not (and do not) worry.

On 4/7/17, Howard Traxler <howard@traxlerenterprises.com> wrote:
Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign
up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it

off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen

reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for
headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to

view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?
Hello,
I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?
If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?
I look forward to your feedback.
Regard.






--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hello, I don't believe that Gmail will be going away. As it is attached to Google.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com

On Apr 7, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Howard Traxler <howard@traxlerenterprises.com> wrote:

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message ----- From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?
Hello,
I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?
If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?
I look forward to your feedback.
Regard.





Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

No way at all gmail will go away or be turned off just as there is no way Outlook.com will do so.
The accessibility of the web interface is a different issue, but you can always use an email client on your pC like Outlook or Thunderbird, not sure if Eudora is still much u sed and accessible.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

Hello, I don't believe that Gmail will be going away. As it is attached to Google.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com

On Apr 7, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Howard Traxler <howard@traxlerenterprises.com> wrote:

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message ----- From: "Milton Ota"
<mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I
can or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a
screen reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet.
any recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?
Hello,
I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?
If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?
I look forward to your feedback.
Regard.





Mario
 

doing some Googling for something else, I ran across the following
article. anybody have comments?

GOOGLE INBOX VS. REGULAR GMAIL: WHICH ONE WINS?
https://9clouds.com/blog/google-inbox-vs-regular-gmail-one-wins/

by Sarah Klongerbo on 4/8/16

There’s a war going on between Google and Google.

The tech giant has two different email services fighting for users’
attention. On one side of the battlefield is
Gmail,
the older, more experienced army. On the other side is
Google Inbox,

the younger yet feistier force.

Okay, so Inbox and Gmail aren’t really competitors. In fact, they
actually work together — you can even swap back and forth between them
seamlessly using
the same Google account.

But when it comes to which email service is more user-friendly, there
can be only one winner. So which one is it?

Read on to find out.

THE OLDIE BUT GOODIE: REGULAR OL’ GMAIL

Gmail on Multiple Devices

There’s a reason Gmail is one of the world’s most popular email
providers. With
more than a billion active users worldwide,
it’s a tried and true way to send, sort, and receive emails.

Compatible across multiple devices, Gmail prides itself on its ability
to do it all — in a fairly plain-Jane format. Emails are divided into
three different
tabs: Primary, Social, and Promotions. Users can also create their own
labels in which to lump similar emails.

Here’s what’s good and bad about Gmail vs. Google Inbox.

PROS OF GMAIL
list of 3 items
• You already know how to use it. If you’re like the majority of email
users in America, you’re already deeply engrained in the world of Gmail.
You have
your labels, settings, and strategies all in place, and it might be
difficult for you to make the switch to another format.
• It integrates with other email services. Gmail isn’t one of those
exclusive,
“On Wednesdays We Wear Pink”
type of possees. It allows you to receive emails from Yahoo, Hotmail,
and other email providers, so you can get all your emails in one
universal inbox.
• It’s got everything you need. Gmail is truly a one-size-fits-all email
service. No matter what you need to do — customize your tabs, call a
colleague,
video chat with a friend, even create your own business account — you
can do it all in Gmail.
list end

CONS OF GMAIL
list of 2 items
• It’s pretty old-school. While Gmail offers tons of useful features, it
lacks a little in the design department. The interface is very simple
and straightforward,
with few bells and whistles.
• It requires some effort to organize. There are several ways to
categorize your emails in Gmail, but they require a fair amount of
manual setup and maintenance.
Don’t expect Gmail to package everything neatly for you — unlike another
email service. . . .
list end

THE SHOW-OFF NEW GUY: GOOGLE INBOX

Google Inbox for iPhone

New to the scene in 2014, Google Inbox has taken the email experience by
storm. With a bright, interactive design and handy new usability
features, Inbox
by Gmail was built with the busybody in mind.

The key features of Inbox are Bundles, Highlights, Reminders, and
Snooze. All are intended to help users prioritize important tasks, file
less urgent messages,
and ultimately save time.

Here’s why you might (or might not) want to hand over the reigns to Inbox.

PROS OF INBOX
list of 5 items
• You can deal with emails extremely efficiently. If you hate clusters
of emails clogging your inbox, you’ll love Google Inbox. Since
like-minded messages are
automatically classified, you can train Inbox to show you those
categories only once a day or once a week — or you can delete them all
at once. Important
emails will still go to your main inbox, so you don’t have to worry
about them getting lost. You can even Pin emails you really don’t want
to lose, so
they’ll still show up at the top of your inbox — even if you’ve already
labeled them under another category.
• Its sorting method is unmatched. Arguably, the best feature of Inbox
is its Bundles, which automatically classify your emails according to
Trips, Purchases,
Finance, Social, Promos, Updates, Forums, and Low Priority. Don’t like
one of those Bundles? Turn it off. Want one that’s not there? Add it.
Bundles are
very easy to customize and manage.
• It has a snooze button. Just as helpful but not nearly as annoying as
your alarm clock, Inbox’s snooze feature allows you to mute messages you
don’t
want to deal with right now — and it brings them back to your attention
at the time of your choosing. This is super convenient for those times
you know
you need to do something, but you’re just too swamped (or lazy) to do it
right now.
• You can change your mind after sending an email. Yes — the undo button
we’ve all been waiting for has finally come to email! Well, it’s
not really an
undo button; Inbox simply holds your email for 15 seconds before sending
it off. Either way, that brief grace period could be your saving grace
for those
hair-raising moments when you accidentally press Send. (Side note: Gmail
does offer this feature as well, but you have to set it up first. Inbox
includes
it automatically.)
• It doubles as a to-do list. With the Reminders feature, you can add
tasks from inside your Inbox so you don’t forget to get them done. The
tool is able
to auto-fill your Reminders based upon your user history, even adding
helpful info (like the phone number of the restaurant you need to make
reservations
at). Emails are basically to-dos anyway, right? Now you can have them
all in one place.
list end

CONS OF INBOX
list of 3 items
• It takes time to learn. Like any good assistant, Inbox needs to be
trained. On the whole, it’s very intuitive in organizing your email into
the right
bundles, but it’ll still make some mistakes, especially at first. If
you’re not willing to fine-tune your Inbox by moving messages to the
right bundles
so that it’ll remember your preferences later, Inbox may not be worth it
for you.
• There aren’t quite as many options. Inbox is still lacking a few key
features, like some settings, out-of-office options, and desktop
notifications.
For those, you’ll have to toggle back to Gmail.
• It doesn’t play well with others. Currently, Inbox only
integrates with Gmail accounts, so if you use other email providers,
you’ll have to visit them
directly or go back to Gmail. But we bet it’s not long before Inbox
fixes this issue. Since Gmail itself supports third-party email
services, and since Inbox now
lets you switch between different Gmail accounts, it seems safe to say
that Inbox is on the road to all-inclusiveness.
list end

AND THE WINNER IS…

Google Inbox Zero

You guessed it: Google Inbox!

If these pro/con lists aren’t enough proof, take our team’s word for it.
About half our staff has already switched to Inbox, and those who have
say that
“Inbox is much better than Gmail in general usability and design” and
that “it’s an easier inbox for me to manage.” Our brofounder,
Scott,
claims to be at or near inbox zero with less than five minutes of
swiping — saving him an entire hour each day.

Inbox does still have some kinks to work out, but considering it’s
barely a year old, we’re willing to give it some grace. We feel
confident that Inbox
will soon be able to do everything Gmail can do — and more.

Inbox by Gmail Settings
If you want the best of both worlds, you can set your Gmail account to
automatically redirect to Inbox. If you do this, Gmail is still just a
click away.

In Inbox, navigate to Settings > Other, then click “Redirect Gmail to
inbox.google.com. You’ll see a Gmail link pop up in your main menu,
giving you easy
access to the original platform.

The good news about all this is that while Inbox may be the winner of
the war, you don’t have to pick a side. Of course, your life will
probably be a lot
easier if you stick with one platform, but Google makes it easy to
shift back and forth between the two. Since everything you do in one app
is automatically
updated in the other, you don’t have to worry about making the wrong
decision by trying out Inbox.

So go ahead, give Inbox a try. You can always change your mind later!

(Plus, when you hit inbox zero in Google Inbox, you’ll be rewarded with
a blue, sunny sky. What could be more motivating than that?)

-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 5:06 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

Have you seen any reason to believe it is going away? Barring evidence
that it is I would not (and do not) worry.

On 4/7/17, Howard Traxler <howard@traxlerenterprises.com> wrote:
Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign
up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it

off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen

reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for
headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to

view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?

Hello,

I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?

If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?

I look forward to your feedback.

Regard.


Mario
 

I bet some user, sighted or not, is still using some version of Eudora
because they just can't (or won't) give it up.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 7:33 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

No way at all gmail will go away or be turned off just as there is no
way Outlook.com will do so.
The accessibility of the web interface is a different issue, but you can
always use an email client on your pC like Outlook or Thunderbird, not
sure if Eudora is still much u sed and accessible.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Hudson
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

Hello, I don't believe that Gmail will be going away. As it is attached
to Google.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com

On Apr 7, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Howard Traxler
<howard@traxlerenterprises.com> wrote:

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to
sign up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they
turn it off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message ----- From: "Milton Ota"
<mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any
screen reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h
for headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface
to view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I
can or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a
screen reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet.
any recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?

Hello,

I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?

If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?

I look forward to your feedback.

Regard.
















.


Jennifer Jackson <jennsjackson@...>
 

Thanks for posting this article. It is definitely something to think about.


Jennifer J

On Apr 7, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:

doing some Googling for something else, I ran across the following
article. anybody have comments?

GOOGLE INBOX VS. REGULAR GMAIL: WHICH ONE WINS?
https://9clouds.com/blog/google-inbox-vs-regular-gmail-one-wins/

by Sarah Klongerbo on 4/8/16

There’s a war going on between Google and Google.

The tech giant has two different email services fighting for users’
attention. On one side of the battlefield is
Gmail,
the older, more experienced army. On the other side is
Google Inbox,

the younger yet feistier force.

Okay, so Inbox and Gmail aren’t really competitors. In fact, they
actually work together — you can even swap back and forth between them
seamlessly using
the same Google account.

But when it comes to which email service is more user-friendly, there
can be only one winner. So which one is it?

Read on to find out.

THE OLDIE BUT GOODIE: REGULAR OL’ GMAIL

Gmail on Multiple Devices

There’s a reason Gmail is one of the world’s most popular email
providers. With
more than a billion active users worldwide,
it’s a tried and true way to send, sort, and receive emails.

Compatible across multiple devices, Gmail prides itself on its ability
to do it all — in a fairly plain-Jane format. Emails are divided into
three different
tabs: Primary, Social, and Promotions. Users can also create their own
labels in which to lump similar emails.

Here’s what’s good and bad about Gmail vs. Google Inbox.

PROS OF GMAIL
list of 3 items
• You already know how to use it. If you’re like the majority of email
users in America, you’re already deeply engrained in the world of Gmail.
You have
your labels, settings, and strategies all in place, and it might be
difficult for you to make the switch to another format.
• It integrates with other email services. Gmail isn’t one of those
exclusive,
“On Wednesdays We Wear Pink”
type of possees. It allows you to receive emails from Yahoo, Hotmail,
and other email providers, so you can get all your emails in one
universal inbox.
• It’s got everything you need. Gmail is truly a one-size-fits-all email
service. No matter what you need to do — customize your tabs, call a
colleague,
video chat with a friend, even create your own business account — you
can do it all in Gmail.
list end

CONS OF GMAIL
list of 2 items
• It’s pretty old-school. While Gmail offers tons of useful features, it
lacks a little in the design department. The interface is very simple
and straightforward,
with few bells and whistles.
• It requires some effort to organize. There are several ways to
categorize your emails in Gmail, but they require a fair amount of
manual setup and maintenance.
Don’t expect Gmail to package everything neatly for you — unlike another
email service. . . .
list end

THE SHOW-OFF NEW GUY: GOOGLE INBOX

Google Inbox for iPhone

New to the scene in 2014, Google Inbox has taken the email experience by
storm. With a bright, interactive design and handy new usability
features, Inbox
by Gmail was built with the busybody in mind.

The key features of Inbox are Bundles, Highlights, Reminders, and
Snooze. All are intended to help users prioritize important tasks, file
less urgent messages,
and ultimately save time.

Here’s why you might (or might not) want to hand over the reigns to Inbox.

PROS OF INBOX
list of 5 items
• You can deal with emails extremely efficiently. If you hate clusters
of emails clogging your inbox, you’ll love Google Inbox. Since
like-minded messages are
automatically classified, you can train Inbox to show you those
categories only once a day or once a week — or you can delete them all
at once. Important
emails will still go to your main inbox, so you don’t have to worry
about them getting lost. You can even Pin emails you really don’t want
to lose, so
they’ll still show up at the top of your inbox — even if you’ve already
labeled them under another category.
• Its sorting method is unmatched. Arguably, the best feature of Inbox
is its Bundles, which automatically classify your emails according to
Trips, Purchases,
Finance, Social, Promos, Updates, Forums, and Low Priority. Don’t like
one of those Bundles? Turn it off. Want one that’s not there? Add it.
Bundles are
very easy to customize and manage.
• It has a snooze button. Just as helpful but not nearly as annoying as
your alarm clock, Inbox’s snooze feature allows you to mute messages you
don’t
want to deal with right now — and it brings them back to your attention
at the time of your choosing. This is super convenient for those times
you know
you need to do something, but you’re just too swamped (or lazy) to do it
right now.
• You can change your mind after sending an email. Yes — the undo button
we’ve all been waiting for has finally come to email! Well, it’s
not really an
undo button; Inbox simply holds your email for 15 seconds before sending
it off. Either way, that brief grace period could be your saving grace
for those
hair-raising moments when you accidentally press Send. (Side note: Gmail
does offer this feature as well, but you have to set it up first. Inbox
includes
it automatically.)
• It doubles as a to-do list. With the Reminders feature, you can add
tasks from inside your Inbox so you don’t forget to get them done. The
tool is able
to auto-fill your Reminders based upon your user history, even adding
helpful info (like the phone number of the restaurant you need to make
reservations
at). Emails are basically to-dos anyway, right? Now you can have them
all in one place.
list end

CONS OF INBOX
list of 3 items
• It takes time to learn. Like any good assistant, Inbox needs to be
trained. On the whole, it’s very intuitive in organizing your email into
the right
bundles, but it’ll still make some mistakes, especially at first. If
you’re not willing to fine-tune your Inbox by moving messages to the
right bundles
so that it’ll remember your preferences later, Inbox may not be worth it
for you.
• There aren’t quite as many options. Inbox is still lacking a few key
features, like some settings, out-of-office options, and desktop
notifications.
For those, you’ll have to toggle back to Gmail.
• It doesn’t play well with others. Currently, Inbox only
integrates with Gmail accounts, so if you use other email providers,
you’ll have to visit them
directly or go back to Gmail. But we bet it’s not long before Inbox
fixes this issue. Since Gmail itself supports third-party email
services, and since Inbox now
lets you switch between different Gmail accounts, it seems safe to say
that Inbox is on the road to all-inclusiveness.
list end

AND THE WINNER IS…

Google Inbox Zero

You guessed it: Google Inbox!

If these pro/con lists aren’t enough proof, take our team’s word for it.
About half our staff has already switched to Inbox, and those who have
say that
“Inbox is much better than Gmail in general usability and design” and
that “it’s an easier inbox for me to manage.” Our brofounder,
Scott,
claims to be at or near inbox zero with less than five minutes of
swiping — saving him an entire hour each day.

Inbox does still have some kinks to work out, but considering it’s
barely a year old, we’re willing to give it some grace. We feel
confident that Inbox
will soon be able to do everything Gmail can do — and more.

Inbox by Gmail Settings
If you want the best of both worlds, you can set your Gmail account to
automatically redirect to Inbox. If you do this, Gmail is still just a
click away.

In Inbox, navigate to Settings > Other, then click “Redirect Gmail to
inbox.google.com. You’ll see a Gmail link pop up in your main menu,
giving you easy
access to the original platform.

The good news about all this is that while Inbox may be the winner of
the war, you don’t have to pick a side. Of course, your life will
probably be a lot
easier if you stick with one platform, but Google makes it easy to
shift back and forth between the two. Since everything you do in one app
is automatically
updated in the other, you don’t have to worry about making the wrong
decision by trying out Inbox.

So go ahead, give Inbox a try. You can always change your mind later!

(Plus, when you hit inbox zero in Google Inbox, you’ll be rewarded with
a blue, sunny sky. What could be more motivating than that?)


-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 5:06 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

Have you seen any reason to believe it is going away? Barring evidence
that it is I would not (and do not) worry.

On 4/7/17, Howard Traxler <howard@traxlerenterprises.com> wrote:
Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign
up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it

off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen

reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for
headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to

view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?

Hello,

I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?

If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?

I look forward to your feedback.

Regard.


















 

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 01:09 pm, Howard Traxler wrote:
Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile?

Gmail will exist as long as Google exists.  It's a foundation of their product line and a way to cull all sorts of information about you (by data analysis, not prying eyes of employees) that's used for their monetary gain.

I've used Gmail since its earliest days and expect I'll be six feet under for a very long time before Gmail passes from this earth. 
--
Brian

         A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

                  ~ William James


Tom Behler
 

I sure hope g-mail will be around for a while, since that's what I use for
my personal e-mail.

I use Outlook to manage my g-mail account.

It's far from perfect, but, in my view, is far more accessible than the
g-mail web site.

I have accessed my g-mail via the g-mail web site, but with considerable
difficulty. So, another way to manage g-mail would probably be best, if you
can find it.

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign
up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it
off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen
reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for
headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to
view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?
Hello,
I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?
If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?
I look forward to your feedback.
Regard.




Soronel Haetir
 

If you turn the gmail website to "basic html" it is plenty accessible,
though without the dynamic bells and whistles of the standard
interface.

On 4/7/17, Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com> wrote:
I sure hope g-mail will be around for a while, since that's what I use for
my personal e-mail.

I use Outlook to manage my g-mail account.

It's far from perfect, but, in my view, is far more accessible than the
g-mail web site.

I have accessed my g-mail via the g-mail web site, but with considerable
difficulty. So, another way to manage g-mail would probably be best, if
you
can find it.

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign
up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it
off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen

reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for
headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to

view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?
Hello,
I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?
If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?
I look forward to your feedback.
Regard.










--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Mario
 

so, is any functionality lost by switching from the standard (html)
interface to the basic?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 11:46 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

If you turn the gmail website to "basic html" it is plenty accessible,
though without the dynamic bells and whistles of the standard
interface.

On 4/7/17, Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com> wrote:
I sure hope g-mail will be around for a while, since that's what I use for
my personal e-mail.

I use Outlook to manage my g-mail account.

It's far from perfect, but, in my view, is far more accessible than the
g-mail web site.

I have accessed my g-mail via the g-mail web site, but with considerable
difficulty. So, another way to manage g-mail would probably be best, if
you
can find it.

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign
up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it
off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen

reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for
headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to

view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?

Hello,

I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?

If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?

I look forward to your feedback.

Regard.


Tom Behler
 

I'm not sure of the answer to this question, but now I'm confused.

I thought our best choice for accessibility on the g-mail web site was to switch from the standard view, to the HTML view.

If someone could clarify, that would be appreciated.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

so, is any functionality lost by switching from the standard (html) interface to the basic?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 11:46 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

If you turn the gmail website to "basic html" it is plenty accessible,
though without the dynamic bells and whistles of the standard
interface.

On 4/7/17, Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com> wrote:
I sure hope g-mail will be around for a while, since that's what I use for
my personal e-mail.

I use Outlook to manage my g-mail account.

It's far from perfect, but, in my view, is far more accessible than the
g-mail web site.

I have accessed my g-mail via the g-mail web site, but with considerable
difficulty. So, another way to manage g-mail would probably be best, if
you
can find it.

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign
up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it
off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen

reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for
headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to

view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?

Hello,

I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?

If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?

I look forward to your feedback.

Regard.


 

Tom,

         Google recommends the use of the basic HTML view for maximum ease of accessibility and my observation is that this view is a bit easier to deal with than the standard view.

          That being said, there are a lot of screen-reader users who elect to use the standard view.

          If you're able to navigate what you need to navigate and the process of doing so isn't driving you mad then whichever of the two views you choose is perfectly fine.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Tom Behler
 

Thanks for the clarification, Brian.

 

This is very helpful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Tom,

         Google recommends the use of the basic HTML view for maximum ease of accessibility and my observation is that this view is a bit easier to deal with than the standard view.

          That being said, there are a lot of screen-reader users who elect to use the standard view.

          If you're able to navigate what you need to navigate and the process of doing so isn't driving you mad then whichever of the two views you choose is perfectly fine.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Poppa Bear <heavens4real@...>
 

There is actually a shortcut keystroke feature in Gmail that needs to be toggled on and then standard view tends to be a smoother path IMO. The Google accessibility team actually recommends standard view with the shortcut keys enabled.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Thanks for the clarification, Brian.

 

This is very helpful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Tom,

         Google recommends the use of the basic HTML view for maximum ease of accessibility and my observation is that this view is a bit easier to deal with than the standard view.

          That being said, there are a lot of screen-reader users who elect to use the standard view.

          If you're able to navigate what you need to navigate and the process of doing so isn't driving you mad then whichever of the two views you choose is perfectly fine.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


 

The Google Support page for Gmail Keyboard Shortcuts, including how to turn them on or off, is:  https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6594?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en 
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Marianne Denning
 

What is the shortcut key that needs to be enabled? I use Gmail in standard mode all of the time. I don't think I have ever enabled in a shortcut key.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real@...> wrote:

There is actually a shortcut keystroke feature in Gmail that needs to be toggled on and then standard view tends to be a smoother path IMO. The Google accessibility team actually recommends standard view with the shortcut keys enabled.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Thanks for the clarification, Brian.

 

This is very helpful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Tom,

         Google recommends the use of the basic HTML view for maximum ease of accessibility and my observation is that this view is a bit easier to deal with than the standard view.

          That being said, there are a lot of screen-reader users who elect to use the standard view.

          If you're able to navigate what you need to navigate and the process of doing so isn't driving you mad then whichever of the two views you choose is perfectly fine.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Marianne Denning
 

There are a lot of things you can do in standard that you can't do in basic. I prefer standard over basic.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 7, 2017, at 11:46 PM, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:

If you turn the gmail website to "basic html" it is plenty accessible,
though without the dynamic bells and whistles of the standard
interface.

On 4/7/17, Tom Behler <tombehler@gmail.com> wrote:
I sure hope g-mail will be around for a while, since that's what I use for
my personal e-mail.

I use Outlook to manage my g-mail account.

It's far from perfect, but, in my view, is far more accessible than the
g-mail web site.

I have accessed my g-mail via the g-mail web site, but with considerable
difficulty. So, another way to manage g-mail would probably be best, if
you
can find it.

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to sign
up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they turn it
off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Ota" <mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any screen

reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h for
headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface to

view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I can
or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a screen
reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet. any
recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?
Hello,
I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?
If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?
I look forward to your feedback.
Regard.











--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com



Poppa Bear <heavens4real@...>
 

Hello Marrianne, I don’t have the steps in front of me, but it is under the Gmaile settings. It will enable quite a few keystrokes. If I dig the steps up I will put them on the e list.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

What is the shortcut key that needs to be enabled? I use Gmail in standard mode all of the time. I don't think I have ever enabled in a shortcut key.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 8, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real@...> wrote:

There is actually a shortcut keystroke feature in Gmail that needs to be toggled on and then standard view tends to be a smoother path IMO. The Google accessibility team actually recommends standard view with the shortcut keys enabled.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Thanks for the clarification, Brian.

 

This is very helpful.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

 

Tom,

         Google recommends the use of the basic HTML view for maximum ease of accessibility and my observation is that this view is a bit easier to deal with than the standard view.

          That being said, there are a lot of screen-reader users who elect to use the standard view.

          If you're able to navigate what you need to navigate and the process of doing so isn't driving you mad then whichever of the two views you choose is perfectly fine.
--
Brian

        Presenting the willfully ignorant with facts is the very definition of casting pearls before swine.


Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I quit saying "No-way" years ago. Having witnessed the rise and fall of Netscape, Yahoo, Lotus, DBase, and WordPerfect, each of which had its period of industry-leading dominance. Having said this, the decline will probably be years away.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 7:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

I bet some user, sighted or not, is still using some version of Eudora
because they just can't (or won't) give it up.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 7:33 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Gmail?

No way at all gmail will go away or be turned off just as there is no
way Outlook.com will do so.
The accessibility of the web interface is a different issue, but you can
always use an email client on your pC like Outlook or Thunderbird, not
sure if Eudora is still much u sed and accessible.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Hudson
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail?

Hello, I don't believe that Gmail will be going away. As it is attached
to Google.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7789@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
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FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@yahoo.com

On Apr 7, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Howard Traxler
<howard@traxlerenterprises.com> wrote:

Opinion, please:

Do you all think gmail will be around for awhile? I wouldn't like to
sign up and get all my mailing lists changed over to gmail and then they
turn it off; or better yet, make it inaccessible.

Howard
----- Original Message ----- From: "Milton Ota"
<mota1252@samobile.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?


I'm using the HTML interface on gmail. It makes using JAWS and any
screen reader easier to navigate with the standard web commands like h
for headings, b for buttons, x for checkboxes, t for tables, etc.

I believe Freedom scientific still recommends using the HTML interface
to view e-mail via the web.

Original message:
in addition, I'd also like to know if there are particular things I
can or should do to make a GMail's interface/account accessible to a
screen reader? I am thinking of obtaining one but am not sure yet.
any recommendations/suggestions to persuade me to sign up?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Adekoya Rasak [mailto:rasakadekoya@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, Apr 7, 2017 10:01 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Is anyone Using Standard html page on Gmail?

Hello,

I have been using basic html on gmail.com but I want to switch to
Standard view. Has anyone used it conveniently with jaws?

If yes, can you share the best key stroke with major task?

I look forward to your feedback.

Regard.
















.