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moderated JAWS versus NVDA on Kindle PC

Cristóbal
 

See: http://jscholes.net/project/codex/
For everything having to do with Codex.
I belong to something like 7 different public library systems and at this
point, I'm able to get pretty much everything I want through them. Amazon
partners with libraries, but I always select the ePub downloadable version
now. It more or less eliminates the Kindle conversion step. I can't recall
the last time I had to pick a kindle formatted title to then convert via
Codex.
Seriously people, support your local library.
I still have the older Kindle program installed just in case. It really does
suck accessibility-wise, but for conversion purposes with Codex, you only
want it for the sole ability to download the book in question. The trickiest
part is getting registered as that part isn't Jaws accessible. There's a
walkthrough on that Codex site that explains.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique
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Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 4:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS versus NVDA on Kindle PC

At 06:59 PM 9/4/2019, David Goldfield wrote:
>As long as you are running version 1.19 or later of the Kindle app JAWS
should provide the same level of accessibility as what you're
experiencing with NVDA. I actually would not recommend downloading an
earlier version with Amazon's accessibility plug-in. If my memory is
correct that won't really give you full screen reader accessibility with
the virtual cursor, which is what you probably want if you're using JAWS
for reading your Kindle content.
I have the latest version of the Kindle app. However, reading results are
extremely inconsistent with JAWS. Sometimes, nothing on the screen is read.
Other times, the reading of the book gets to a certain point beyond which no
navigation key commands or continuous reading will advance the text. It's as
though there is no more text on the screen but the current page. At those
times, I've tried page up and down, control+page up and down, control+end,
etc., all customary ways to advance through a document. But nothing works.

>Did you download the app directly from >Amazon's Web site or did it
originate from a third party site.

I downloaded it from Amazon.

>As a side note the one exception for when you would want to use an
earlier version is if you're using Codex, which allows you to convert
Kindle content into plain text format which will allow you to read the
content using other programs or even other devices, such as being able >to
use Voice Dream Reader on your iPhone to read a Kindle book.
My good man, are you saying that I could use Codex to convert Kindle content
to plain text, thereby obviating the reader altogether? I would love this
option. Where can I download Codex?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 06:59 PM 9/4/2019, David Goldfield wrote:
As long as you are running version 1.19 or later of the Kindle app JAWS
should provide the same level of accessibility as what you're
experiencing with NVDA. I actually would not recommend downloading an
earlier version with Amazon's accessibility plug-in. If my memory is
correct that won't really give you full screen reader accessibility with
the virtual cursor, which is what you probably want if you're using JAWS
for reading your Kindle content.
I have the latest version of the Kindle app. However, reading results are extremely inconsistent with JAWS. Sometimes, nothing on the screen is read. Other times, the reading of the book gets to a certain point beyond which no navigation key commands or continuous reading will advance the text. It's as though there is no more text on the screen but the current page. At those times, I've tried page up and down, control+page up and down, control+end, etc., all customary ways to advance through a document. But nothing works.

Did you download the app directly from
Amazon's Web site or did it originate from a third party site.
I downloaded it from Amazon.

As a side note the one exception for when you would want to use an
earlier version is if you're using Codex, which allows you to convert
Kindle content into plain text format which will allow you to read the
content using other programs or even other devices, such as being able
to use Voice Dream Reader on your iPhone to read a Kindle book.
My good man, are you saying that I could use Codex to convert Kindle content to plain text, thereby obviating the reader altogether? I would love this option. Where can I download Codex?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hi.

As long as you are running version 1.19 or later of the Kindle app JAWS
should provide the same level of accessibility as what you're
experiencing with NVDA. I actually would not recommend downloading an
earlier version with Amazon's accessibility plug-in. If my memory is
correct that won't really give you full screen reader accessibility with
the virtual cursor, which is what you probably want if you're using JAWS
for reading your Kindle content. Did you download the app directly from
Amazon's Web site or did it originate from a third party site.

As a side note the one exception for when you would want to use an
earlier version is if you're using Codex, which allows you to convert
Kindle content into plain text format which will allow you to read the
content using other programs or even other devices, such as being able
to use Voice Dream Reader on your iPhone to read a Kindle book.

On 9/4/2019 3:16 PM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
You must either 1) download and use the latest version of the app which is,
supposedly, accessible or 2) get the accessibility plugin for an earlier
version of the app. "1" is better, supposedly. No doubt, JAWS should
script this, or someone else.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique
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Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS versus NVDA on Kindle PC

Hi all. After downloading Kindle books, JaWS reads nothing on the screen
while NVDA reads it all. Is there any way to improve JAWS'
performance with the Kindle PC app?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Richard B. McDonald
 

You must either 1) download and use the latest version of the app which is,
supposedly, accessible or 2) get the accessibility plugin for an earlier
version of the app. "1" is better, supposedly. No doubt, JAWS should
script this, or someone else.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique
Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS versus NVDA on Kindle PC

Hi all. After downloading Kindle books, JaWS reads nothing on the screen
while NVDA reads it all. Is there any way to improve JAWS'
performance with the Kindle PC app?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi all,
I have been using kindle for pc and have met few issues with the latest jaws
on books I have downloaded. I can read in Braille as well as listen, and
unlike with previous versions, I was recently able to read the book's
footnotes as links in their place. I cannot speak about nvda and I can
really not know what has gone wrong for Orlando, however I would say
that, although not perfect, kindle has become very very usable for me.
Kinde st regards,
Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristobal
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 7:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS versus NVDA on Kindle PC

I know Freedom Scientific/Vispero put out some social media postings on how
Jaws works with Kindle for PC a few days ago, but I really don't use that
app so I didn't look into it. Perhaps it's on their site somewhere.
I've got an older version of Kindle for PC installed on a couple of
machines, but that's mainly for the purpose of just downloading the file so
that I can convert to a more accessible format with Codex.
While I'm a QRead user for eBooks, it would be nice to know if the Kindle
for PC app could also be used as an alternative. Often, you may want to make
a notation or highlight something, but with QRead at least, this isn't
possible. Don't even know if such a thing would be doable with Kindle, but
it would still be nice to know that there's another option out there.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique
Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS versus NVDA on Kindle PC

Hi all. After downloading Kindle books, JaWS reads nothing on the screen
while NVDA reads it all. Is there any way to improve JAWS'
performance with the Kindle PC app?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Jschliff@...
 

Interesting, I thought Jaws required OCR format to be readable by Jaws. I
am curious what ebook apps are out there which will read?

Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS versus NVDA on Kindle PC

I know Freedom Scientific/Vispero put out some social media postings on how
Jaws works with Kindle for PC a few days ago, but I really don't use that
app so I didn't look into it. Perhaps it's on their site somewhere.
I've got an older version of Kindle for PC installed on a couple of
machines, but that's mainly for the purpose of just downloading the file so
that I can convert to a more accessible format with Codex.
While I’m a QRead user for eBooks, it would be nice to know if the Kindle
for PC app could also be used as an alternative. Often, you may want to make
a notation or highlight something, but with QRead at least, this isn't
possible. Don't even know if such a thing would be doable with Kindle, but
it would still be nice to know that there's another option out there.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique
Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS versus NVDA on Kindle PC

Hi all. After downloading Kindle books, JaWS reads nothing on the screen
while NVDA reads it all. Is there any way to improve JAWS'
performance with the Kindle PC app?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Cristóbal
 

I know Freedom Scientific/Vispero put out some social media postings on how
Jaws works with Kindle for PC a few days ago, but I really don't use that
app so I didn't look into it. Perhaps it's on their site somewhere.
I've got an older version of Kindle for PC installed on a couple of
machines, but that's mainly for the purpose of just downloading the file so
that I can convert to a more accessible format with Codex.
While I’m a QRead user for eBooks, it would be nice to know if the Kindle
for PC app could also be used as an alternative. Often, you may want to make
a notation or highlight something, but with QRead at least, this isn't
possible. Don't even know if such a thing would be doable with Kindle, but
it would still be nice to know that there's another option out there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique
Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS versus NVDA on Kindle PC

Hi all. After downloading Kindle books, JaWS reads nothing on the screen
while NVDA reads it all. Is there any way to improve JAWS'
performance with the Kindle PC app?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

Hi all. After downloading Kindle books, JaWS reads nothing on the screen while NVDA reads it all. Is there any way to improve JAWS' performance with the Kindle PC app?


Orlando Enrique Fiol
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