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T. Civitello
 

Why so many updates to Jaws?


Jason White
 

Every item in the release notes accompanying each update serves as a reason for releasing the update.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of "T. Civitello" <tcivi31@...>
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Date: Monday, August 19, 2019 at 07:28
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Subject: updates

 

Why so many updates to Jaws?


Rick Mladek
 

That sure was a politically correct way to say JAWS/Freedom Scientific or whomever they call themselves now messed up and had to put out a “fix”. Feel blessed they have not begun charging for their said fixes yet.

 

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Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 7:42 AM
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Subject: Re: updates

 

Every item in the release notes accompanying each update serves as a reason for releasing the update.

 

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Date: Monday, August 19, 2019 at 07:28
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Subject: updates

 

Why so many updates to Jaws?


Ashleigh Piccinino
 

JAWS has periodic updates to make sure it’s working. Some of these might be mixes/patches for bugs found in the original version of 2019 so far. If you have an SMA (the Software Maintenance Agreement), you’ll get the updates free when you’ve purchased the latest full upgrade. Please go to the Vispero/Freedom Scientific webpage to find out how to sign up for the SMA if you’re not already using one. It’s about $120, but it’s worth it to keep your screen reader running smoothly, isn’t it?  


On Aug 19, 2019, at 6:28 AM, T. Civitello <tcivi31@...> wrote:

Why so many updates to Jaws?


Ron Pelletier
 

Isn’t it nice that they send an update as soon as they discover a problem? Would you rather go back to the times when they updated once a year when the new version came out? Kind of a funny question to ask in this day and age!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 7:29 AM
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Why so many updates to Jaws?


 

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier wrote:
Isn’t it nice that they send an update as soon as they discover a problem?
Yep.   The idea of "software as a service" (or close to it) is a feature, not a bug.   And given that JAWS is expected to run under Windows 10, and as Microsoft changes and/or fixes things this could "break" certain things on JAWS, I'd expect they're updating and pushing out said updates to keep up with that as well as for other reasons.
 
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Larry Wayland
 

Because Micro Soft updates a lot, and no software package is perfect. It is good they do update a lot.  It is for your benefit.

Larry

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:29 AM
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Subject: updates

 

Why so many updates to Jaws?


Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

I'm just glad its only once a month sometimes 2 like this month.

On 8/19/2019 2:40 PM, Larry Wayland wrote:

Because Micro Soft updates a lot, and no software package is perfect. It is good they do update a lot.  It is for your benefit.

Larry

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of T. Civitello
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:29 AM
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Subject: updates

 

Why so many updates to Jaws?


Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

I too would like tu upload this step by vispero. If something needs change/fixing, I would not mind having an update each day.

                                                                Cheers,

                                                                Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: updates

 

Because Micro Soft updates a lot, and no software package is perfect. It is good they do update a lot.  It is for your benefit.

Larry

 

 

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Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:29 AM
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Subject: updates

 

Why so many updates to Jaws?


Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Every software company messes up from time to time, for the most part Jaws just as NVDA is probably doing a lot of work just to keep up with changes  from Microsoft since they seem to change things which impact screenreaders on a pretty regular bases these days. I am not sure why you would make the statement about being lucky Vispero isn’t charging for these bug fixes, they never have and there is no indication they ever will. There really hasn’t been a change  in how Vispero charges for their updates for a lot of years and even then I don’t recall the last time the price for the SMA you have to buy every two years went up. I guess the introduction in the US of the subscription model counts as a change although at this point it is more of an alternative way of being able to use Jaws since existing users can still continue to pay their $5 a month which is what the $120 for a Jaws Home SMA boils down to.

I use an application for my point of sale which is not getting any feature updates or bug fixes any more, yet I pay $347 US every single year so I can continue to use it, if I didn’t it would no longer work when it expires every January 31, but I need it so I have no choice. I really wonder why some blind people think everything needs to be free.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: updates

 

That sure was a politically correct way to say JAWS/Freedom Scientific or whomever they call themselves now messed up and had to put out a “fix”. Feel blessed they have not begun charging for their said fixes yet.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: updates

 

Every item in the release notes accompanying each update serves as a reason for releasing the update.

 

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Date: Monday, August 19, 2019 at 07:28
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Subject: updates

 

Why so many updates to Jaws?


Cristóbal
 

I mean… who wants to go back to the days where there was only one yearly release of Jaws and if there was some sort of bug in the update or if something got broken in an application or whatever, then good luck working around it until October/November for the next update.

These periodic releases have been hugely helpful with addressing stuff and fixing them faster.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: updates

 

Every software company messes up from time to time, for the most part Jaws just as NVDA is probably doing a lot of work just to keep up with changes  from Microsoft since they seem to change things which impact screenreaders on a pretty regular bases these days. I am not sure why you would make the statement about being lucky Vispero isn’t charging for these bug fixes, they never have and there is no indication they ever will. There really hasn’t been a change  in how Vispero charges for their updates for a lot of years and even then I don’t recall the last time the price for the SMA you have to buy every two years went up. I guess the introduction in the US of the subscription model counts as a change although at this point it is more of an alternative way of being able to use Jaws since existing users can still continue to pay their $5 a month which is what the $120 for a Jaws Home SMA boils down to.

I use an application for my point of sale which is not getting any feature updates or bug fixes any more, yet I pay $347 US every single year so I can continue to use it, if I didn’t it would no longer work when it expires every January 31, but I need it so I have no choice. I really wonder why some blind people think everything needs to be free.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: updates

 

That sure was a politically correct way to say JAWS/Freedom Scientific or whomever they call themselves now messed up and had to put out a “fix”. Feel blessed they have not begun charging for their said fixes yet.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: updates

 

Every item in the release notes accompanying each update serves as a reason for releasing the update.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of "T. Civitello" <tcivi31@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 19, 2019 at 07:28
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Subject: updates

 

Why so many updates to Jaws?


David Goldfield
 

I agree with this. Not to mention that the size of JAWS updates has decreased over the years, making the process of updating even faster. Since updates are designed to add features, fix bugs or both I'm perfectly fine with Vispero adopting a regular cadence for releasing updates. Users can always decline to install them until a more convenient time and it would only benefit their users.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified: 2019 WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 8/20/2019 12:12 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I mean… who wants to go back to the days where there was only one yearly release of Jaws and if there was some sort of bug in the update or if something got broken in an application or whatever, then good luck working around it until October/November for the next update.

These periodic releases have been hugely helpful with addressing stuff and fixing them faster.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 10:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: updates

 

Every software company messes up from time to time, for the most part Jaws just as NVDA is probably doing a lot of work just to keep up with changes  from Microsoft since they seem to change things which impact screenreaders on a pretty regular bases these days. I am not sure why you would make the statement about being lucky Vispero isn’t charging for these bug fixes, they never have and there is no indication they ever will. There really hasn’t been a change  in how Vispero charges for their updates for a lot of years and even then I don’t recall the last time the price for the SMA you have to buy every two years went up. I guess the introduction in the US of the subscription model counts as a change although at this point it is more of an alternative way of being able to use Jaws since existing users can still continue to pay their $5 a month which is what the $120 for a Jaws Home SMA boils down to.

I use an application for my point of sale which is not getting any feature updates or bug fixes any more, yet I pay $347 US every single year so I can continue to use it, if I didn’t it would no longer work when it expires every January 31, but I need it so I have no choice. I really wonder why some blind people think everything needs to be free.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 4:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: updates

 

That sure was a politically correct way to say JAWS/Freedom Scientific or whomever they call themselves now messed up and had to put out a “fix”. Feel blessed they have not begun charging for their said fixes yet.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: updates

 

Every item in the release notes accompanying each update serves as a reason for releasing the update.

 

From: <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of "T. Civitello" <tcivi31@...>
Reply-To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Monday, August 19, 2019 at 07:28
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: updates

 

Why so many updates to Jaws?