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moderated Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.


l. radical
 

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to
trader in a exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who
was the operating system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days
ago i upgrade to windows 10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How
ever when i load the same programm in the new operating system the
jaws does not read any content in the screen using the jaws cursor. I
am able to read only the top and the bottom of the window. Any
recomentation for a solution is wellcome and thanks for any
assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--


 

As much as you may not like this answer, there may not be a good solution for this.
The Jaws cursor under Windows 10 has not nearly as much access to information as it did under Windows 7 simply because of how Microsoft allows screenreaders to get access to what is on the screen. I use a couple of applications at my store for accounting and my point of sale where I have similar issues.
Vispero is working on this and you could try and see what happens if you turn off the accessibility display driver which is what Jaws has been using for a long time to get information. Do the following and then open your program and see if it helped:

1. Open Jaws Settings Center with Jaws Key + 6 on the number row
2. Make sure you have the default settings loaded by pressing Control + Shift + D
3. Type "acc" (the first 3 letters of accessibility) in the search box, then tab once and you should have the following two results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages checked, ReadingUse Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous
not checked
4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display Driver" to clear the checkbox
5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows 10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--


l. radical
 

Dear Sieghard. I don't find words to thank you very much. Your
solution works very fine. Thanks again for your breaf explanation.
regards,
--Kostas--


2019-07-02 21:07 GMT+03:00, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca>:
As much as you may not like this answer, there may not be a good solution
for this.
The Jaws cursor under Windows 10 has not nearly as much access to
information as it did under Windows 7 simply because of how Microsoft allows
screenreaders to get access to what is on the screen. I use a couple of
applications at my store for accounting and my point of sale where I have
similar issues.
Vispero is working on this and you could try and see what happens if you
turn off the accessibility display driver which is what Jaws has been using
for a long time to get information. Do the following and then open your
program and see if it helped:

1. Open Jaws Settings Center with Jaws Key + 6 on the number row
2. Make sure you have the default settings loaded by pressing Control +
Shift + D
3. Type "acc" (the first 3 letters of accessibility) in the search box, then
tab once and you should have the following two results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages checked, Reading
Use Accessibility
Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous
not checked
4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
Driver" to clear the checkbox
5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some
applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked
and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the
old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method
which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility
display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if
you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC
Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch
cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a
exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating
system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in
the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the
bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and
thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--







netbat66
 

Use Accessibility
> Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous
 
this option does not come up with my win10, jaws 2019 search results.
 
****
> tab once and you should have the following two results:
> Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages  checked, Reading
Use Accessibility
> Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous
>  not checked
> 4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
> Driver" to clear the checkbox
> 5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
> 6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some
> applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked
> and some may work better when it is unchecked.
> And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the
> old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method
> which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility
> display driver is unchecked.
> Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if
> you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC
> Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch
> cursor again. You can read more about it here:
> Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
> cursor
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.
>
> Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a
> exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating
> system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows
> 10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
> programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in
> the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the
> bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and
> thanks for any assistance.
> regards,
> --Kostas--
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




 

Do you make sure you have the default settings loaded?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

 

Use Accessibility

> Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous

 

this option does not come up with my win10, jaws 2019 search results.

 

****

> tab once and you should have the following two results:
> Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages  checked, Reading
Use Accessibility

> Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous
>  not checked
> 4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
> Driver" to clear the checkbox
> 5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
> 6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some
> applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked
> and some may work better when it is unchecked.
> And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the
> old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method
> which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility
> display driver is unchecked.
> Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if
> you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC
> Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch
> cursor again. You can read more about it here:
> Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
> cursor
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.
>
> Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a
> exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating
> system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows
> 10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
> programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in
> the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the
> bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and
> thanks for any assistance.
> regards,
> --Kostas--
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



 

Hi Costas,

Well, I'm glad it was such an easy solution and this worked for you.
It's not always so easy, I switch back and forth many times a day between using the accessibility display driver and not using it because even inside one application, my accounting software, some screens don't read at all when it is checked but do when it is not and vice versa.
.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Dear Sieghard. I don't find words to thank you very much. Your solution works very fine. Thanks again for your breaf explanation.
regards,
--Kostas--


2019-07-02 21:07 GMT+03:00, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca>:
As much as you may not like this answer, there may not be a good
solution for this.
The Jaws cursor under Windows 10 has not nearly as much access to
information as it did under Windows 7 simply because of how Microsoft
allows screenreaders to get access to what is on the screen. I use a
couple of applications at my store for accounting and my point of sale
where I have similar issues.
Vispero is working on this and you could try and see what happens if
you turn off the accessibility display driver which is what Jaws has
been using for a long time to get information. Do the following and
then open your program and see if it helped:

1. Open Jaws Settings Center with Jaws Key + 6 on the number row 2.
Make sure you have the default settings loaded by pressing Control +
Shift + D 3. Type "acc" (the first 3 letters of accessibility) in the
search box, then tab once and you should have the following two
results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages checked, Reading
Use Accessibility
Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous not checked 4.
Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
Driver" to clear the checkbox 5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find
that some applications work better with the old accessibility display
driver checked and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more
of the old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI
hooking method which is basically what Jaws uses to get information
when the accessibility display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see
if you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift +
PC Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate
the touch cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to
trader in a exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who
was the operating system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days
ago i upgrade to windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any
content in the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only
the top and the bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution
is wellcome and thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--







netbat66
 

yes, the option is not there with win 10, but it is with windows 7. i also loaded several other scripts and did the search with the same results. only one option is in the search results.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 10:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.



Do you make sure you have the default settings loaded?







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.







Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous






this option does not come up with my win10, jaws 2019 search results.







****



tab once and you should have the following two results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages checked, Reading
Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous
not checked
4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
Driver" to clear the checkbox
5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some
applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked
and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the
old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method
which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility
display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if
you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC
Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch
cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a
exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating
system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in
the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the
bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and
thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--







netbat66
 

I found where it is with windows 7 but it is not in windows 10
its in the settings center in miscilanious
 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.
 

Do you make sure you have the default settings loaded?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

 

Use Accessibility

> Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous

 

this option does not come up with my win10, jaws 2019 search results.

 

****

> tab once and you should have the following two results:
> Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages  checked, Reading
Use Accessibility

> Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous
>  not checked
> 4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
> Driver" to clear the checkbox
> 5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
> 6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some
> applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked
> and some may work better when it is unchecked.
> And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the
> old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method
> which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility
> display driver is unchecked.
> Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if
> you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC
> Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch
> cursor again. You can read more about it here:
> Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
> cursor
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.
>
> Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a
> exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating
> system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows
> 10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
> programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in
> the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the
> bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and
> thanks for any assistance.
> regards,
> --Kostas--
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



 

Scripts? Not sure I get what you are saying.
This is in Jaws Settings Centre with Default Settings loaded under Miscellaneous, here it is item 9 of 17, just before "Use virtual ribbon menu".
If you don't have this item you may want to consider a Jaws repair, I am on the Jaws beta team and I have never heard of anybody who doesn't have this item, personally I have 5 computers at my business and a laptop at home and it's there on all of them. Did you by any chance uninstall the video display driver under Apps and Features? I assume maybe then you may not have this setting since there is no accessibility driver which can be toggled on or off.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

yes, the option is not there with win 10, but it is with windows 7. i also loaded several other scripts and did the search with the same results. only one option is in the search results.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 10:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.



Do you make sure you have the default settings loaded?







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.







Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous






this option does not come up with my win10, jaws 2019 search results.







****



tab once and you should have the following two results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages checked, Reading
Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous
not checked
4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
Driver" to clear the checkbox
5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some
applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked
and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the
old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method
which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility
display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if
you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC
Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch
cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a
exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating
system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in
the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the
bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and
thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--







l. radical
 

Hello Netbat. Read and follow the instructions carefully from Sieghard
and you find the acc option in jaws setting center.
Regards,
--Kostas--

2019-07-03 9:17 GMT+03:00, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca>:

Scripts? Not sure I get what you are saying.
This is in Jaws Settings Centre with Default Settings loaded under
Miscellaneous, here it is item 9 of 17, just before "Use virtual ribbon
menu".
If you don't have this item you may want to consider a Jaws repair, I am on
the Jaws beta team and I have never heard of anybody who doesn't have this
item, personally I have 5 computers at my business and a laptop at home and
it's there on all of them. Did you by any chance uninstall the video display
driver under Apps and Features? I assume maybe then you may not have this
setting since there is no accessibility driver which can be toggled on or
off.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

yes, the option is not there with win 10, but it is with windows 7. i also
loaded several other scripts and did the search with the same results. only
one option is in the search results.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 10:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.



Do you make sure you have the default settings loaded?







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.







Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous






this option does not come up with my win10, jaws 2019 search results.







****



tab once and you should have the following two results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages checked, Reading
Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous
not checked
4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
Driver" to clear the checkbox
5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that
some
applications work better with the old accessibility display driver
checked
and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of
the
old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method
which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the
accessibility
display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if
you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC
Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the
touch
cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in
a
exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating
system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to
windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content
in
the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the
bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and
thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--






















netbat66
 

i didn't uninstall anything. apps and features? is this part of jaws or windows settings?
i don't want to do a repair. it has never fixed anything i end up reinstalling to get it fixed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 11:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Scripts? Not sure I get what you are saying.
This is in Jaws Settings Centre with Default Settings loaded under Miscellaneous, here it is item 9 of 17, just before "Use virtual ribbon menu".
If you don't have this item you may want to consider a Jaws repair, I am on the Jaws beta team and I have never heard of anybody who doesn't have this item, personally I have 5 computers at my business and a laptop at home and it's there on all of them. Did you by any chance uninstall the video display driver under Apps and Features? I assume maybe then you may not have this setting since there is no accessibility driver which can be toggled on or off.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

yes, the option is not there with win 10, but it is with windows 7. i also loaded several other scripts and did the search with the same results. only one option is in the search results.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 10:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.



Do you make sure you have the default settings loaded?







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.







Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous






this option does not come up with my win10, jaws 2019 search results.







****



tab once and you should have the following two results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages checked, Reading
Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous
not checked
4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
Driver" to clear the checkbox
5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some
applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked
and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the
old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method
which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility
display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if
you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC
Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch
cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a
exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating
system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in
the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the
bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and
thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--







Mike B
 


Hi Net bat,
 
There are 2 Miscellaneous folders.  The first is a sub-folder in, Web / HTML / PDF's and the second Miscellaneous folder is the  one you're looking for.  It's the second folder from the bottom of the list, right above the Last Changed Settings folder, and it's number 24 of 25.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

----- Original Message -----
From: netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Use Accessibility
> Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous
 
this option does not come up with my win10, jaws 2019 search results.
 
****
> tab once and you should have the following two results:
> Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages  checked, Reading
Use Accessibility
> Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous
>  not checked
> 4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
> Driver" to clear the checkbox
> 5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
> 6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some
> applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked
> and some may work better when it is unchecked.
> And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the
> old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method
> which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility
> display driver is unchecked.
> Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if
> you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC
> Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch
> cursor again. You can read more about it here:
> Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
> cursor
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.
>
> Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a
> exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating
> system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows
> 10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
> programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in
> the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the
> bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and
> thanks for any assistance.
> regards,
> --Kostas--
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




 

I provided the steps in my original email where I said the first step was to open Jaws Settings Centre with Jaws Key + 6.
In the email you just replied to asking whether this is in Jaws or Windows I said " This is in Jaws Settings Centre with Default Settings loaded under Miscellaneous, here it is item 9 of 17, just before "Use virtual ribbon menu"."
So, yes, it is in Jaws Settings not Windows Settings and I would bet 20 Bucks that if you have indeed Jaws 2019 which you say you do I could show you in 5 seconds where it is and that in fact it is there.
I don't have a Windows 7 PC any more, but if that setting even exists there you should definitely not use it, GDI Hooking which is what you get when you uncheck the accessibility display driver, is not a thing in Windows 7 and if it did anything it probably wouldn't be good. I'll ask the Beta team about this, there are still people who run Windows 7.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 11:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

i didn't uninstall anything. apps and features? is this part of jaws or windows settings?
i don't want to do a repair. it has never fixed anything i end up reinstalling to get it fixed.


-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 11:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Scripts? Not sure I get what you are saying.
This is in Jaws Settings Centre with Default Settings loaded under Miscellaneous, here it is item 9 of 17, just before "Use virtual ribbon menu".
If you don't have this item you may want to consider a Jaws repair, I am on the Jaws beta team and I have never heard of anybody who doesn't have this item, personally I have 5 computers at my business and a laptop at home and it's there on all of them. Did you by any chance uninstall the video display driver under Apps and Features? I assume maybe then you may not have this setting since there is no accessibility driver which can be toggled on or off.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

yes, the option is not there with win 10, but it is with windows 7. i also loaded several other scripts and did the search with the same results. only one option is in the search results.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 10:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.



Do you make sure you have the default settings loaded?







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.







Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous






this option does not come up with my win10, jaws 2019 search results.







****



tab once and you should have the following two results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages checked, Reading
Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous not checked 4.
Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
Driver" to clear the checkbox 5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find
that some applications work better with the old accessibility display
driver checked and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more
of the old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI
hooking method which is basically what Jaws uses to get information
when the accessibility display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see
if you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift +
PC Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate
the touch cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to
trader in a exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who
was the operating system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days
ago i upgrade to windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any
content in the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only
the top and the bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution
is wellcome and thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--







Maria Campbell
 

Changing this setting in w10 is possible, as I and others have done.  You have a problem or are not following directions.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
~ Blaise Pascal ~

On 7/3/2019 2:31 AM, netbat66 wrote:
i didn't uninstall anything. apps and features? is this part of jaws or windows settings?
i don't want to do a repair. it has never fixed anything i end up reinstalling to get it fixed.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 11:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Scripts? Not sure I get what you are saying.
This is in Jaws Settings Centre with Default Settings loaded under Miscellaneous, here it is item 9 of 17, just before "Use virtual ribbon menu".
If you don't have this item you may want to consider a Jaws repair, I am on the Jaws beta team and I have never heard of anybody who doesn't have this item, personally I have 5 computers at my business and a laptop at home and it's there on all of them. Did you by any chance uninstall the video display driver under Apps and Features? I assume maybe then you may not have this setting since there is no accessibility driver which can be toggled on or off.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

yes,  the option is not there with win 10, but it is with windows 7. i also loaded several other scripts and did the search with the same results. only one option is in the search results.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 10:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.



Do you make sure you have the default settings loaded?







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.







Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous






this option does not come up with my win10, jaws 2019 search results.







****



tab once and you should have the following two results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages  checked, Reading
Use Accessibility



Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous
 not checked
4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
Driver" to clear the checkbox
5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some
applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked
and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the
old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method
which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility
display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if
you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC
Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch
cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a
exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating
system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in
the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the
bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and
thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--























netbat66
 

its not there. with windows 7 it is just above the use virtual ribbonss.
windows 10 does not have this.
its not in jaws 2018 that i still have installed either.
***
what about the video driver? i don't know if i have this.
in windows 7 in programs and features there is a freedom scientific video intercept driver.
but in windows 10 i only find freedom scientific video accessibility driver. is this the same thing?
maybe this option has been missing on my computer all along for the last year i have been useing jaws with windows 10?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.


Hi Net bat,

There are 2 Miscellaneous folders. The first is a sub-folder in, Web / HTML / PDF's and the second Miscellaneous folder is the one you're looking for. It's the second folder from the bottom of the list, right above the Last Changed Settings folder, and it's number 24 of 25.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!
----- Original Message -----
From: netbat66
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Use Accessibility
Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous
this option does not come up with my win10, jaws 2019 search results.

****
tab once and you should have the following two results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages checked, Reading
Use Accessibility
Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous
not checked
4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display
Driver" to clear the checkbox
5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some
applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked
and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the
old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method
which is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility
display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if
you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC
Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch
cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch
cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to trader in a
exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating
system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any content in
the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the
bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and
thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--







netbat66
 

i understand what you said. but its not there.
just above the use virtual cursor.
you mentioned the video driver in the apps and features for the video driver and i wasn't sure where this was.
i don't know if i have the driver installed or not for windows 10.
in windows 7 there is one called freedom scientific video intercept driver.
but in windows 10 this is not there. but there is one called freedom scientific video accessibility driver. is this the same thing?
maybe the driver has been missing for the last year i have been useing jaws?
original message
Did you by any chance uninstall the video display driver under Apps and Features? I assume maybe then you may not have this setting since there is no accessibility driver which can be toggled on or off.


David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

It would be helpful if FS could assign a script to this function, along with an associated keyboard shortcut. By default they could have it unassigned to prevent a user from accidentally disabling the display driver. However, this would give users who need to disable and enable the driver the option of going into Keyboard Manager and assigning a key of their choosing as a toggle.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 7/3/2019 1:35 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Costas,

Well, I'm glad it was such an easy solution and this worked for you.
It's not always so easy, I switch back and forth many times a day between using the accessibility display driver and not using it because even inside one application, my accounting software, some screens don't read at all when it is checked but do when it is not and vice versa.
.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

 Dear Sieghard. I don't find words to thank you very much. Your solution works very fine. Thanks again for your breaf explanation.
regards,
--Kostas--


2019-07-02 21:07 GMT+03:00, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>:
As much as  you may not like this answer, there may not be a good 
solution for this.
The Jaws cursor under Windows 10 has not nearly as much access to 
information as it did under Windows 7 simply because of how Microsoft 
allows screenreaders to get access to what is on the screen. I use a 
couple of applications at my store for accounting and my point of sale 
where I have similar issues.
Vispero is working on this and you could try and see what happens if 
you turn off the accessibility display driver which is what Jaws has 
been using for a long time to get information. Do the following and 
then open your program and see if it helped:

1. Open Jaws Settings Center with Jaws Key + 6 on the number row 2. 
Make sure you have the default settings loaded by pressing Control + 
Shift + D 3. Type "acc" (the first 3 letters of accessibility) in the 
search box, then tab once and you should have the following two 
results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages  checked, Reading
Use Accessibility
Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous  not checked 4. 
Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display 
Driver" to clear the checkbox 5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find 
that some applications work better with the old accessibility display 
driver checked and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more 
of the old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI 
hooking method which is basically what Jaws uses to get information 
when the accessibility display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see 
if you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + 
PC Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate 
the touch cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch 
cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to 
trader in a exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who 
was the operating system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days 
ago i upgrade to windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same 
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any 
content in the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only 
the top and the bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution 
is wellcome and thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--













Maria Campbell
 

David, have you suggested this to Vispero directly or in the JAWS users list where Eric Damery lurks?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

On 7/3/2019 3:39 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

It would be helpful if FS could assign a script to this function, along with an associated keyboard shortcut. By default they could have it unassigned to prevent a user from accidentally disabling the display driver. However, this would give users who need to disable and enable the driver the option of going into Keyboard Manager and assigning a key of their choosing as a toggle.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 7/3/2019 1:35 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Costas,

Well, I'm glad it was such an easy solution and this worked for you.
It's not always so easy, I switch back and forth many times a day between using the accessibility display driver and not using it because even inside one application, my accounting software, some screens don't read at all when it is checked but do when it is not and vice versa.
.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

 Dear Sieghard. I don't find words to thank you very much. Your solution works very fine. Thanks again for your breaf explanation.
regards,
--Kostas--


2019-07-02 21:07 GMT+03:00, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>:
As much as  you may not like this answer, there may not be a good 
solution for this.
The Jaws cursor under Windows 10 has not nearly as much access to 
information as it did under Windows 7 simply because of how Microsoft 
allows screenreaders to get access to what is on the screen. I use a 
couple of applications at my store for accounting and my point of sale 
where I have similar issues.
Vispero is working on this and you could try and see what happens if 
you turn off the accessibility display driver which is what Jaws has 
been using for a long time to get information. Do the following and 
then open your program and see if it helped:

1. Open Jaws Settings Center with Jaws Key + 6 on the number row 2. 
Make sure you have the default settings loaded by pressing Control + 
Shift + D 3. Type "acc" (the first 3 letters of accessibility) in the 
search box, then tab once and you should have the following two 
results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages  checked, Reading
Use Accessibility
Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous  not checked 4. 
Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display 
Driver" to clear the checkbox 5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find 
that some applications work better with the old accessibility display 
driver checked and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more 
of the old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI 
hooking method which is basically what Jaws uses to get information 
when the accessibility display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see 
if you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + 
PC Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate 
the touch cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch 
cursor

Regards,
Sieghard

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to 
trader in a exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who 
was the operating system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days 
ago i upgrade to windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same 
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any 
content in the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only 
the top and the bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution 
is wellcome and thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--











 

This functionality has been there for several versions of Jaws. Vispero is not making a big deal of this because for most users Jaws currently works equally well with or without the accessibility display driver. I pushed quite hard for a layered shortcut key, but instead they made it optional for a shortcut to be created in keyboard manager. The script is called ToggleScreenCapture and of course you need to have the default keyboard manager loaded..

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

 

David, have you suggested this to Vispero directly or in the JAWS users list where Eric Damery lurks?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
 

On 7/3/2019 3:39 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

It would be helpful if FS could assign a script to this function, along with an associated keyboard shortcut. By default they could have it unassigned to prevent a user from accidentally disabling the display driver. However, this would give users who need to disable and enable the driver the option of going into Keyboard Manager and assigning a key of their choosing as a toggle.

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 7/3/2019 1:35 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Costas,
 
Well, I'm glad it was such an easy solution and this worked for you.
It's not always so easy, I switch back and forth many times a day between using the accessibility display driver and not using it because even inside one application, my accounting software, some screens don't read at all when it is checked but do when it is not and vice versa.
.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.
 
 Dear Sieghard. I don't find words to thank you very much. Your solution works very fine. Thanks again for your breaf explanation.
regards,
--Kostas--
 
 
2019-07-02 21:07 GMT+03:00, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>:
As much as  you may not like this answer, there may not be a good 
solution for this.
The Jaws cursor under Windows 10 has not nearly as much access to 
information as it did under Windows 7 simply because of how Microsoft 
allows screenreaders to get access to what is on the screen. I use a 
couple of applications at my store for accounting and my point of sale 
where I have similar issues.
Vispero is working on this and you could try and see what happens if 
you turn off the accessibility display driver which is what Jaws has 
been using for a long time to get information. Do the following and 
then open your program and see if it helped:
 
1. Open Jaws Settings Center with Jaws Key + 6 on the number row 2. 
Make sure you have the default settings loaded by pressing Control + 
Shift + D 3. Type "acc" (the first 3 letters of accessibility) in the 
search box, then tab once and you should have the following two 
results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages  checked, Reading
Use Accessibility
Driver for Screen Capture  checked, Miscellaneous  not checked 4. 
Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display 
Driver" to clear the checkbox 5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find 
that some applications work better with the old accessibility display 
driver checked and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more 
of the old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI 
hooking method which is basically what Jaws uses to get information 
when the accessibility display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see 
if you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + 
PC Cursor (Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate 
the touch cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch 
cursor
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of l. radical
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.
 
Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a programm in order to 
trader in a exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who 
was the operating system using the jaws 15 version. Before few days 
ago i upgrade to windows
10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same 
programm in the new operating system the jaws does not read any 
content in the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only 
the top and the bottom of the window. Any recomentation for a solution 
is wellcome and thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 

Yes, the accessibility driver is the one.
If you don't want to run a repair then maybe a Jaws reinstall is in order or a call to FS tech support so they can take a look why this may not be there for you.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 10:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws does not read the content of screen using jaws cursor.

i understand what you said. but its not there.
just above the use virtual cursor.
you mentioned the video driver in the apps and features for the video driver and i wasn't sure where this was.
i don't know if i have the driver installed or not for windows 10.
in windows 7 there is one called freedom scientific video intercept driver.
but in windows 10 this is not there. but there is one called freedom scientific video accessibility driver. is this the same thing?
maybe the driver has been missing for the last year i have been useing jaws?
original message
Did you by any chance uninstall the video display driver under Apps and Features? I assume maybe then you may not have this setting since there is no accessibility driver which can be toggled on or off.