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Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9


Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the command for Drag and Drop (CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9. The command is still listed, though, in the help file, and in the Command Search (JAWS Key plus SPACE, followed by J.)

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


JM Casey
 

Wow, strange. Why on earth would they do that?

Mistake maybe?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: March 14, 2019 1:44 PM
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the command for Drag and Drop (CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9. The command is still listed, though, in the help file, and in the Command Search (JAWS Key plus SPACE, followed by J.)

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Tyler Wood
 

I hope this comes back in the next update. Until then I won't be updating.


thank you for letting us know.


On 2019-03-14 12:44 p.m., JM Casey wrote:

Wow, strange. Why on earth would they do that?

Mistake maybe?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: March 14, 2019 1:44 PM
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the command for Drag and Drop (CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9. The command is still listed, though, in the help file, and in the Command Search (JAWS Key plus SPACE, followed by J.)

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


JM Casey
 

I’m still on JAWS 2018; I won’t be updating until I can shell out some cash for it, I suppose.

 

But wait and see if anybody else can duplicate this problem. Anybody?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: March 14, 2019 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I hope this comes back in the next update. Until then I won't be updating.

 

thank you for letting us know.

 

On 2019-03-14 12:44 p.m., JM Casey wrote:

Wow, strange. Why on earth would they do that?

Mistake maybe?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: March 14, 2019 1:44 PM
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the command for Drag and Drop (CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9. The command is still listed, though, in the help file, and in the Command Search (JAWS Key plus SPACE, followed by J.)

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Don Mauck
 

I still see the keystroke when turning on the keyboard help, JAWSKey plus numeric row “1”. When I try it, I see it still works for me.

 

From: JM Casey <jmcasey@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I’m still on JAWS 2018; I won’t be updating until I can shell out some cash for it, I suppose.

 

But wait and see if anybody else can duplicate this problem. Anybody?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: March 14, 2019 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I hope this comes back in the next update. Until then I won't be updating.

 

thank you for letting us know.

 

On 2019-03-14 12:44 p.m., JM Casey wrote:

Wow, strange. Why on earth would they do that?

Mistake maybe?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: March 14, 2019 1:44 PM
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the command for Drag and Drop (CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9. The command is still listed, though, in the help file, and in the Command Search (JAWS Key plus SPACE, followed by J.)

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Lino Morales
 

Well JM you can shell out $90 for a home annual license sir. But anyway, who uses drag and drop anyway? I never have and that’s not one of thingies they teach you at these blindy rehab centers.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of JM Casey <jmcasey@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:30:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9
 

I’m still on JAWS 2018; I won’t be updating until I can shell out some cash for it, I suppose.

 

But wait and see if anybody else can duplicate this problem. Anybody?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: March 14, 2019 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I hope this comes back in the next update. Until then I won't be updating.

 

thank you for letting us know.

 

On 2019-03-14 12:44 p.m., JM Casey wrote:

Wow, strange. Why on earth would they do that?

Mistake maybe?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: March 14, 2019 1:44 PM
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the command for Drag and Drop (CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9. The command is still listed, though, in the help file, and in the Command Search (JAWS Key plus SPACE, followed by J.)

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 03:57 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
I never have and that’s not one of thingies they teach you at these blindy rehab centers.
Which is all too true and all too sad.   There are times, not many, but enough, when drag and drop, either literal or emulated through the keyboard, is the only way to accomplish a given task.

Also, given that this is a fundamental function of any GUI OS, and has been part and parcel of every screen reader I've dealt with, the probability that documentation has gotten screwed up is incredibly higher than the probability of such a basic function ever being dropped (and for the reasons I mentioned).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


netbat66
 

i have never used it. i have no problem useing the normal windows control c and control v keys to copy and paste text from a web page, which is about all i use it for.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 10:43 AM
To: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9



I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the command for Drag and Drop (CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9. The command is still listed, though, in the help file, and in the Command Search (JAWS Key plus SPACE, followed by J.)



Bill White



billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


Maria Campbell
 

Why not ask on the other JAWS list if this is so?


Maria Campbell
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On 3/14/2019 1:43 PM, Bill White wrote:

I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the command for Drag and Drop (CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9. The command is still listed, though, in the help file, and in the Command Search (JAWS Key plus SPACE, followed by J.)

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Steve Matzura
 

Who uses drag and drop? I do. Couldn't run certain software without it. I don't use it or need it often, but when I do, I'm sure glad it's there. Thanks for the alert that it's been removed. Vispero will surely get a call from me about this in the morning.


On 3/14/2019 3:07 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well JM you can shell out $90 for a home annual license sir. But anyway, who uses drag and drop anyway? I never have and that’s not one of thingies they teach you at these blindy rehab centers.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of JM Casey <jmcasey@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:30:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9
 

I’m still on JAWS 2018; I won’t be updating until I can shell out some cash for it, I suppose.

 

But wait and see if anybody else can duplicate this problem. Anybody?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: March 14, 2019 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I hope this comes back in the next update. Until then I won't be updating.

 

thank you for letting us know.

 

On 2019-03-14 12:44 p.m., JM Casey wrote:

Wow, strange. Why on earth would they do that?

Mistake maybe?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: March 14, 2019 1:44 PM
To: JFW Mailing List <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but the command for Drag and Drop (CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9. The command is still listed, though, in the help file, and in the Command Search (JAWS Key plus SPACE, followed by J.)

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that it has not been removed from the documentation files.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 03:57 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I never have and that’s not one of thingies they teach you at these blindy rehab centers.

Which is all too true and all too sad.   There are times, not many, but enough, when drag and drop, either literal or emulated through the keyboard, is the only way to accomplish a given task.

Also, given that this is a fundamental function of any GUI OS, and has been part and parcel of every screen reader I've dealt with, the probability that documentation has gotten screwed up is incredibly higher than the probability of such a basic function ever being dropped (and for the reasons I mentioned).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Steve Matzura
 

I think we all  need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.


On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that it has not been removed from the documentation files.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...



Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

They told me that in most cases, CONTROL plus C, and CONTROL plus V act as drag and drop. However, there are cases where the object to be dragged and dropped doesn’t respond to the clipboard actions.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

I think we all  need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.

 

On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that it has not been removed from the documentation files.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:03 PM, Bill White wrote:
They told me that in most cases, CONTROL plus C, and CONTROL plus V act as drag and drop.
Whoever told you that, well . . .

CTRL+C has been copy and CTRL+V has been paste since day one of Windows.  CTRL+X has been cut.

While one can get the same result using copy or cut and paste for files, there are many, many, many uses for drag and drop beyond file transfer.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Lino Morales
 

Well Steve I don’t thinhk its not worth crying over spilled megabites sir. Like I said I don’t use it. Most of us don’t so have at it with big bad Vispero if you want it back.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Steve Matzura <number6@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:42:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9
 

I think we all  need to tell them to unretire it. What a ridiculous thing to do--remove a very useful and sometimes very necessary feature.


On 3/14/2019 5:27 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Brian. Vispero says that CONTROL plus JAWS Key plus NumPad slash has been retired from JAWS as Drag and Drop. They told me that it was an oversight that it has not been removed from the documentation files.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...



JM Casey
 

Yeah…

It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 14, 2019 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:03 PM, Bill White wrote:

They told me that in most cases, CONTROL plus C, and CONTROL plus V act as drag and drop.

Whoever told you that, well . . .

CTRL+C has been copy and CTRL+V has been paste since day one of Windows.  CTRL+X has been cut.

While one can get the same result using copy or cut and paste for files, there are many, many, many uses for drag and drop beyond file transfer.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 05:19 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
Vispero will surely get a call from me about this in the morning.
And I doubt that you'll be the only one.   Once "word hits the street" or, more likely, someone goes to use a feature that's been around since day one (practically, it certainly was there when I started with JAWS around 10 years ago) and finds it gone.

As you've already noted, there are plenty of instances where nothing else will do.  This decision makes no sense as it emulates an essential function under Windows which sometimes absolutely must be used.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:
It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.
I have often, during my now just short of 40 years in computing, uttered the phrase, "Technical support is often neither technical nor supportive."   QED when someone claims cut, copy, and paste substitute for drag and drop.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Casey. They didn’t say they are the same thing. They said that usually you can get the same result with the clipboard actions as you can with Drag and drop. I don’t agree with what the support person said.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Yeah…

It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 14, 2019 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:03 PM, Bill White wrote:

They told me that in most cases, CONTROL plus C, and CONTROL plus V act as drag and drop.

Whoever told you that, well . . .

CTRL+C has been copy and CTRL+V has been paste since day one of Windows.  CTRL+X has been cut.

While one can get the same result using copy or cut and paste for files, there are many, many, many uses for drag and drop beyond file transfer.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


JM Casey
 

Ok, yes, in that case, I agree with you. I’d even go as far as to say it’s absolutely a necessary task to be able to accomplish with the keyboard, even if one doesn’t have to use it much. Sure, copy and paste will work for text, files, etc, in most cases, but not all software is designed to be used that way. I’d love to know their reasons…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: March 14, 2019 6:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Hi, Casey. They didn’t say they are the same thing. They said that usually you can get the same result with the clipboard actions as you can with Drag and drop. I don’t agree with what the support person said.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

Yeah…

It is nuts that a support person would claim they are the same thing.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 14, 2019 6:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Drag and drop removed from JAWS Version 2019.1903.9

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 06:03 PM, Bill White wrote:

They told me that in most cases, CONTROL plus C, and CONTROL plus V act as drag and drop.

Whoever told you that, well . . .

CTRL+C has been copy and CTRL+V has been paste since day one of Windows.  CTRL+X has been cut.

While one can get the same result using copy or cut and paste for files, there are many, many, many uses for drag and drop beyond file transfer.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore