Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk
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Dave...
Mike,
Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use
accessibility driver" in the default setting.
Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to
JAWS 2018 until I unscramble this mess.
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the
default Settings Center:
The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by
our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to
JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used
primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as
by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying
information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many
cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver. This check box is selected by default. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
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From: Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now
JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...>
On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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netbat66
mine did not crash with windows 7 home 64bit.
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you could backup the jaws 2019 folder before you uncheck that box. then if it does crash you can load another screen reader and copy the original 2019 folder files back and you would be back the way you were before it crashed.
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From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk Mike, Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use accessibility driver" in the default setting. Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to JAWS 2018 until I unscramble this mess. Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike B. To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center: The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases. Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver. This check box is selected by default. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Sieghard, Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions? Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word �accessibility� driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called �GDI Hooking�. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groupsio> On Behalf Of Dave... Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? James, Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15. Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we�re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn�t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we�re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don�t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn�t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Dave...
Netbat,
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I have the 32 bit system. That might have been it, but I don’t care to give it another try. Dave
On Feb 19, 2019, at 12:53 PM, netbat66 <netbat66@gmail.com> wrote:
mine did not crash with windows 7 home 64bit. you could backup the jaws 2019 folder before you uncheck that box. then if it does crash you can load another screen reader and copy the original 2019 folder files back and you would be back the way you were before it crashed. -----Original Message----- From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk Mike, Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use accessibility driver" in the default setting. Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to JAWS 2018 until I unscramble this mess. Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike B. To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center: The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases. Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver. This check box is selected by default. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Sieghard, Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions? Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word �accessibility� driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called �GDI Hooking�. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groupsio> On Behalf Of Dave... Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? James, Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15. Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we�re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn�t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we�re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don�t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn�t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Steve Nutt
Hi,
That’s actually a Vispero problem. They should not allow you to uncheck it if you are below Windows 10.
All the best
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: 19 February 2019 15:38 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk
Mike,
Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use accessibility driver" in the default setting.
Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to JAWS 2018 until I unscramble this mess.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Mike B. Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center: The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Jason White
It's fine here with Windows 10 (64-bit).
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On 2/19/19, 15:53, "netbat66" <main@jfw.groups.io on behalf of netbat66@gmail.com> wrote: mine did not crash with windows 7 home 64bit. you could backup the jaws 2019 folder before you uncheck that box. then if it does crash you can load another screen reader and copy the original 2019 folder files back and you would be back the way you were before it crashed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 7:38 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Warning - Uncheck "Accessibility Driver at your own risk Mike, Okay, so I have Windows 7. Therefore I should not have unchecked the "Use accessibility driver" in the default setting. Because I cannot even do a JAWS 2019 repair now. It crashes. I'm back to JAWS 2018 until I unscramble this mess. Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike B. To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 06:00 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center: The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases. Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver. This check box is selected by default. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Sieghard, Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions? Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel To: main@jfw.groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word �accessibility� driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called �GDI Hooking�. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groupsio> On Behalf Of Dave... Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? James, Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15. Dave Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers? I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we�re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn�t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we�re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don�t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn�t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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