Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
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James Homuth
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS
15.
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: James Homuth
To: jfw@groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52
Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display
drivers? I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dave...
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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James Homuth
Nope. We had either 18 or 2018 on this machine and they were still there. Uninstalling it now because it’s making life complicated.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: February-19-19 12:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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James Homuth
God I hope this becomes a thing soon. I don’t care so much about the JAWS cursor, but the person who owns this computer hasn’t got a hope in hell of affording Zoomtext. I can afford JAWS, but that only solves half our problem. LOL
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February-19-19 12:20 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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What does being able to afford Zoomtext or Jaws have to do with accessibility drivers or not?
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:25 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
God I hope this becomes a thing soon. I don’t care so much about the JAWS cursor, but the person who owns this computer hasn’t got a hope in hell of affording Zoomtext. I can afford JAWS, but that only solves half our problem. LOL
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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James Homuth
Directly? Nothing. However, the entire reason the accessibility drivers are proving a pain in my particular situation is because they mess with Magnifier. Affording Zoomtext would solve that problem. So would being able to disable the accessibility drivers.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February-19-19 12:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
What does being able to afford Zoomtext or Jaws have to do with accessibility drivers or not?
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
God I hope this becomes a thing soon. I don’t care so much about the JAWS cursor, but the person who owns this computer hasn’t got a hope in hell of affording Zoomtext. I can afford JAWS, but that only solves half our problem. LOL
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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I am not sure if the mirror display driver is the same thing, but I just checked here with Jaws 2019 and it is called the ”Freedom Scientific Accessibility Display Driver”.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:23 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Nope. We had either 18 or 2018 on this machine and they were still there. Uninstalling it now because it’s making life complicated.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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James Homuth
Worth looking at when I have a chance to sit down with it. I want to say we were running 2018 on this machine in demo mode, so perhaps if I feel daring I’ll see what 2019 can do.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: February-19-19 12:30 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I am not sure if the mirror display driver is the same thing, but I just checked here with Jaws 2019 and it is called the ”Freedom Scientific Accessibility Display Driver”.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Nope. We had either 18 or 2018 on this machine and they were still there. Uninstalling it now because it’s making life complicated.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Dave...
Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now
JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...>
On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Dave Durber
Hello Dave:
It appears that, it depends on the version of
Windows you are using.
I am using Window 7 Professional, and until this
morning, I was using JAWS 2018. I just installed JAWS 2019.
Before I installed JAWS 2019, I looked in Display
Adapters in Device Manager. In addition to the video device driver, the
FreedomScientific Mirror Driver was also listed.
After I installed JAWS 19, I again checked to see
if the driver for JAWS had changed. It had not.
I reinstalled Windows 7 just after JAWS 2018 was
released, and until this morning, JAWS 2018 was the only version of JAWS
installed on this computer.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
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Mike B. <mike9902@...>
Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the
default Settings Center:
The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by
our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to
JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used
primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as
by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying
information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many
cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver. This check box is selected by default. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now
JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...>
On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Michael Mote
Hi Mike. If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system. Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver. That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:00 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center: The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Maria Campbell
Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.
Maria Campbell lucky1inct@... Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. ~ Blaise Pascal ~ On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel
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Dave...
Mike,
Nope. You're absolutely correct.
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Mote
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 07:58
Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror
display drivers? Hi Mike. If I am not mistaken, I believe the Mirror Display driver is used on Windows 7 computers, and is replaced by the Accessibility driver starting with the Windows 8 operating system. Anyone using Windows 7 should continue using the Mirror display driver. That was my understanding of the process, but I could be wrong.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mike B.
Here's the explanation of the Accessibility Driver from the default Settings Center: The accessibility driver is a
system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years
to provide screen information to JAWS. This information is known as the Off
Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor
and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses
different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no
longer works in many cases. Take Care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave... Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of
Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Hi Dave,
I would restart the computer and see if that fixes it, I certainly have not ever have Jaws crash and refuse to load and I check and uncheck the accessibility driver often several times a day for testing purposes (I’m in the Jaws private beta group) and also because in some of the applications I use Jaws works better using the new GDI Hooking (accessibility display driverunchecked) and in other applications it’s better if I use the accessibility display driver.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:01 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of
Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Steve Nutt
Hi,
There are some programs that unchecking the accessibility driver will break. Notably NoteTab Pro, which is a text/HTML editor that I use.
Just be aware.
All the best
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: 19 February 2019 05:33 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Worth looking at when I have a chance to sit down with it. I want to say we were running 2018 on this machine in demo mode, so perhaps if I feel daring I’ll see what 2019 can do.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
I am not sure if the mirror display driver is the same thing, but I just checked here with Jaws 2019 and it is called the ”Freedom Scientific Accessibility Display Driver”.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Nope. We had either 18 or 2018 on this machine and they were still there. Uninstalling it now because it’s making life complicated.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Steve Nutt
Sounds like you may need an update to your video driver.
All the best
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: 19 February 2019 08:01 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Sieghard,
Um, well I just did this -- unchecked the accessibility driver, and now JAWS 2019 has crashed and refuses to load. Any further suggestions?
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 21:19 Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Jaws still uses the so-called accessibility driver. In fact, in Jaws 2019 you can go to the Jaws Settings Centre, load default settings and type all or part of the word “accessibility” driver and you can then uncheck the accessibility driver and use the more modern method with is called “GDI Hooking”. This is currently being tested and Vispero is not making a big deal of it so far since some things may work better with it unchecked, but many things may not. Ultimately the goal is to have this unchecked by default and to restore the functionality of the Jaws cursor to what it once was or better.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@...> On Behalf Of Dave...
James,
Not absolutely sure, but I think the mirror drivers stopped around JAWS 15.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: James Homuth To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 20:52 Subject: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
I had heard a long time ago that there was a version coming that dropped mirror display drivers. Does that version exist, and if so, which version is it? Asking as we’re running into the issue of mirror drivers messing with the Windows magnifier. As the primary user of this system is low vision but doesn’t have Zoomtext, and I occasionally provide tech help, we’re having to run Magnifier primarily with JAWS on the system for when I need to use it. That creates problems, because Magnifier requires Aero to run properly, and mirror drivers don’t support aero. Is there a version of JAWS that doesn’t use the mirror drivers? If so, that has just made my life about 5 times easier.
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Steve Nutt
Hi,
Try the touch cursor, even if you have a keyboard. I’d say it’s almost as good.
All the best
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: 19 February 2019 16:23 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.
Maria Campbell lucky1inct@... Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. ~ Blaise Pascal ~ On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
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Debbie April Yuille
Hi Steve
Should I have the accessibility driver checked or unchecked in windows 10?
Thanks
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2019 8:42 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Is there a version of JAWS that doesn't use mirror display drivers?
Hi,
Try the touch cursor, even if you have a keyboard. I’d say it’s almost as good.
All the best
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Looking forward to the day when the JAWS cursor works again.
Maria Campbelllucky1inct@... Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.~ Blaise Pascal ~ On 2/19/2019 12:19 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
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