Protected files


Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Hello, I’m using Jaws2018 and Windows10. For the last month I get emails with attachments. I open the files and they are always in a protected mode. Is there something I need to turn off in Outlook2016?

 

Kevin

 


Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

NO, you don’t want to do that since it is a security feature so you are less likely to get a virus if you open a document with a macro built in that could really mess things up.

If it is from a trusted source, once the document is open, press f6 and listen for Be Careful, documents from the web may be dangerous.  Then tab to enable editing and press enter.

You can now edit and save it in an unprotected format.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 5:59 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Protected files

 

Hello, I’m using Jaws2018 and Windows10. For the last month I get emails with attachments. I open the files and they are always in a protected mode. Is there something I need to turn off in Outlook2016?

 

Kevin

 


 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
NO, you don’t want to do that
We shall have to agree to disagree, and vigorously.   With the long past advent of scanning of e-mail messages and attachments by security suites the use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished.  Automatic protected mode in MS-Office is a major, major annoyance to anyone who only opens attachments from sources they know or trust.

Here are the instructions I wrote up with regard to turning it off:    
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Hi Brian,

No need to be vigorous about disagreeing.  I work at a State office and while the security systems are way more vigorous than what home users have, some State employees insist on opening any attachment they get without checking the actual source so I guess I inherited some of the paranoia of the State IT folks.  I don’t find it that big of an annoyance even though I only open attachments from trusted sources, but with all things techie, everyone has their own tolerance threshold.

 

Good instructions by the way.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protected files

 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

NO, you don’t want to do that

We shall have to agree to disagree, and vigorously.   With the long past advent of scanning of e-mail messages and attachments by security suites the use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished.  Automatic protected mode in MS-Office is a major, major annoyance to anyone who only opens attachments from sources they know or trust.

Here are the instructions I wrote up with regard to turning it off:  

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Mario
 

I agree with Richard. what's the big deal with tabbing over to and
entering on the enable button as he suggests or press alt, f, i, e, instead.

as for Brian's reasoning and steps (forgive me Brian), it shouldn't be
relied on that the "use of macros as an infection vector has virtually
vanished" has disappeared forever. there is still the possibility of
malicious behavior triggered by macros. that's one reason why Office
programs occasionally receive security updates; to help thwart those
threats that may play part in a larger malicious infection.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com]
Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 9:52 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Protected files

Hi Brian,
No need to be vigorous about disagreeing. I work at a State office and
while the security systems are way more vigorous than what home users
have, some State employees insist on opening any attachment they get
without checking the actual source so I guess I inherited some of the
paranoia of the State IT folks. I don’t find it that big of an
annoyance even though I only open attachments from trusted sources, but
with all things techie, everyone has their own tolerance threshold.

Good instructions by the way.

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protected files

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
NO, you don’t want to do that
We shall have to agree to disagree, and vigorously. With the long past
advent of scanning of e-mail messages and attachments by security suites
the use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished.
Automatic protected mode in MS-Office is a major, major annoyance to
anyone who only opens attachments from sources they know or trust.

Here are the instructions I wrote up with regard to turning it off:

* Adjusting Protected View Settings in MS-Office
Programs<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fuc%3Fexport%3Ddownload%26id%3D0B98uELZbPFnOSHIyWXUzRnFkdmc&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf1ce99e6905a42e141b708d64bcf7fe0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636779751900372573&sdata=4l0U9qTM5lFSL5IQ8yJ86FWgcfwueVcTwGN%2FXXKnLYY%3D&reserved=0>

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always
a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Mario wrote:
it shouldn't be relied on that the "use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished"
It should if one is interested in accurate risk assessment.   Things change, and the use of Office documents as an infection vector became really ineffective decades ago.

One should also be following the practice of not opening any attachments that do not come from a trusted source.

I prefer to focus my security practices on probable issues, which is easy, rather than every remotely possible issue.  Some, like infection from office files from trusted sources, are so remote as to be virtually zero.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Sharon
 

When I click this link, it says can’t reach this page.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protected files

 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 09:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

NO, you don’t want to do that

We shall have to agree to disagree, and vigorously.   With the long past advent of scanning of e-mail messages and attachments by security suites the use of macros as an infection vector has virtually vanished.  Automatic protected mode in MS-Office is a major, major annoyance to anyone who only opens attachments from sources they know or trust.

Here are the instructions I wrote up with regard to turning it off:  

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


 

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Sharon wrote:
When I click this link, it says can’t reach this page.
Try again, and if you have any sort of blockers running you might want to disable them first.  This is a direct link to an MS-Word document that should, when activated, immediately cause a Save dialog to pop up so that you can choose where you wish to save the file on your machine.

It's been accessed hundreds of times since I put it up, and when I click through on it in a browser where I am not logged in with the Google account that controls that Google Drive and document I still get the Save dialog.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Mario
 

Sharon, if you still cannot download Brian's document, try this link,
chances are this one will get you the document:
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOSHIyWXUzRnFkdmc

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 12:17 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Protected files

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Sharon wrote:


When I click this link, it says can’t reach this page.

Try again, and if you have any sort of blockers running you might want
to disable them first.  This is a direct link to an MS-Word document
that should, when activated, immediately cause a Save dialog to pop up
so that you can choose where you wish to save the file on your machine.

It's been accessed hundreds of times since I put it up, and when I click
through on it in a browser where I am not logged in with the Google
account that controls that Google Drive and document I still get the
Save dialog.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always
a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.*

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


David Goldfield
 

If you use Brian Hartgen's Leasey program there is a slightly quicker way to unprotect a Word document.

1. From within the Word document press the Leasey key, which is usually the grave accent key.

2. Next, press shift-ctrl-U, which will unprotect the document if it is protected.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/16/2018 3:26 PM, Mario wrote:
Sharon, if you still cannot download Brian's document, try this link, 
chances are this one will get you the document:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fuc%3Fexport%3Ddownload%26id%3D0B98uELZbPFnOSHIyWXUzRnFkdmc&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C26133d0cff4c425b244308d64c01d6bd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636779968106430712&amp;sdata=%2FcYTd5yU1jY1VICYuri1T8jodUSkTzND32lRqLfTco4%3D&amp;reserved=0

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 12:17 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Protected files

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Sharon wrote:


When I click this link, it says can’t reach this page.

Try again, and if you have any sort of blockers running you might want 
to disable them first.  This is a direct link to an MS-Word document 
that should, when activated, immediately cause a Save dialog to pop up 
so that you can choose where you wish to save the file on your machine.

It's been accessed hundreds of times since I put it up, and when I click 
through on it in a browser where I am not logged in with the Google 
account that controls that Google Drive and document I still get the 
Save dialog.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always 
a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.*

           ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore









Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

If you have already purchased Leasey then this method does save a keystroke or two.

If you haven’t, spending $100 or 75 British Pounds seems a bit over the top.  Granted, Leasey offers lots of other features and is probably a good package for many.  For me, I don’t mind a few extra keystrokes, in this case, very few.

 

Here is the Leasey new pricing page for anyone interested.

http://www.hartgen.org/node/436

 

Richard

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 9:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protected files

 

If you use Brian Hartgen's Leasey program there is a slightly quicker way to unprotect a Word document.

1. From within the Word document press the Leasey key, which is usually the grave accent key.

2. Next, press shift-ctrl-U, which will unprotect the document if it is protected.

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/16/2018 3:26 PM, Mario wrote:

Sharon, if you still cannot download Brian's document, try this link, 
chances are this one will get you the document:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fuc%3Fexport%3Ddownload%26id%3D0B98uELZbPFnOSHIyWXUzRnFkdmc&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C26133d0cff4c425b244308d64c01d6bd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636779968106430712&amp;sdata=%2FcYTd5yU1jY1VICYuri1T8jodUSkTzND32lRqLfTco4%3D&amp;reserved=0
 
-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 12:17 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Protected files
 
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Sharon wrote:
 
 
When I click this link, it says can’t reach this page.
 
Try again, and if you have any sort of blockers running you might want 
to disable them first.  This is a direct link to an MS-Word document 
that should, when activated, immediately cause a Save dialog to pop up 
so that you can choose where you wish to save the file on your machine.
 
It's been accessed hundreds of times since I put it up, and when I click 
through on it in a browser where I am not logged in with the Google 
account that controls that Google Drive and document I still get the 
Save dialog.
 
--
 
Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
 
*   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always 
a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.*
 
           ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Richard,

 

I purchased Leasey years ago, but I must say that I don't have it currently installed since I only used a tiny subset of all it offers.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 6:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protected files

 

If you have already purchased Leasey then this method does save a keystroke or two.

If you haven’t, spending $100 or 75 British Pounds seems a bit over the top.  Granted, Leasey offers lots of other features and is probably a good package for many.  For me, I don’t mind a few extra keystrokes, in this case, very few.

 

Here is the Leasey new pricing page for anyone interested.

http://www.hartgen.org/node/436

 

Richard

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 9:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Protected files

 

If you use Brian Hartgen's Leasey program there is a slightly quicker way to unprotect a Word document.

1. From within the Word document press the Leasey key, which is usually the grave accent key.

2. Next, press shift-ctrl-U, which will unprotect the document if it is protected.

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 11/16/2018 3:26 PM, Mario wrote:

Sharon, if you still cannot download Brian's document, try this link, 
chances are this one will get you the document:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fuc%3Fexport%3Ddownload%26id%3D0B98uELZbPFnOSHIyWXUzRnFkdmc&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C26133d0cff4c425b244308d64c01d6bd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636779968106430712&amp;sdata=%2FcYTd5yU1jY1VICYuri1T8jodUSkTzND32lRqLfTco4%3D&amp;reserved=0
 
-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 12:17 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Protected files
 
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Sharon wrote:
 
 
When I click this link, it says can’t reach this page.
 
Try again, and if you have any sort of blockers running you might want 
to disable them first.  This is a direct link to an MS-Word document 
that should, when activated, immediately cause a Save dialog to pop up 
so that you can choose where you wish to save the file on your machine.
 
It's been accessed hundreds of times since I put it up, and when I click 
through on it in a browser where I am not logged in with the Google 
account that controls that Google Drive and document I still get the 
Save dialog.
 
--
 
Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
 
*   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always 
a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.*
 
           ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore