Jaws and Very Large PDF documents


LAZZARI Ruth
 

Good Morning,
 
I am trying to assist a tax accountant who uses Jaws 2018 and Adobe Reader Pro 11 .  She is often give pdf files that are up to 1000 pages to read and extract pages as necessary!  While Jaws reads as normal for smaller documents, less than 500, at 1000+ we only get a Document Empty message.  We know that the document has been OCR’d, in fact when we extract a page from the large document it works well.  We have:
  1. Tested this with NVDA as well as the Adobe Read Out Loud.  We receive the same message.
  2. Tried all of the Adobe reading settings, e.g. process one page at a time, read from left to right, raw stream, etc.
  3. Ran Accessibility Checker which indicated that it indeed it is not an image
  4. Checked the Adobe security settings, which indicates no protection at all.
  5. Behaves the exact same way in Adobe Reader versus Pro.
 
I cannot test this document in Jaws 2019 because they are confidential tax documents, and at this time she does not have Jaws 2019 installed.  (We are working on that now.)
 
If anyone has any ideas at all, we would truly appreciate it. 
 
Thanks so much!
 
Ruth Lazzari, Assistive Technology Specialist
Oregon Commission for the Blind
 
 


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Chris Hill
 

Go to the source and get a different format. 




On Nov 8, 2018, at 10:10, LAZZARI Ruth <ruth.lazzari@...> wrote:

Good Morning,
 
I am trying to assist a tax accountant who uses Jaws 2018 and Adobe Reader Pro 11 .  She is often give pdf files that are up to 1000 pages to read and extract pages as necessary!  While Jaws reads as normal for smaller documents, less than 500, at 1000+ we only get a Document Empty message.  We know that the document has been OCR’d, in fact when we extract a page from the large document it works well.  We have:
  1. Tested this with NVDA as well as the Adobe Read Out Loud.  We receive the same message.
  2. Tried all of the Adobe reading settings, e.g. process one page at a time, read from left to right, raw stream, etc.
  3. Ran Accessibility Checker which indicated that it indeed it is not an image
  4. Checked the Adobe security settings, which indicates no protection at all.
  5. Behaves the exact same way in Adobe Reader versus Pro.
 
I cannot test this document in Jaws 2019 because they are confidential tax documents, and at this time she does not have Jaws 2019 installed.  (We are working on that now.)
 
If anyone has any ideas at all, we would truly appreciate it. 
 
Thanks so much!
 
Ruth Lazzari, Assistive Technology Specialist
Oregon Commission for the Blind
 
 


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Sharon
 

QRead

Handles huge files.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of LAZZARI Ruth
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 11:10 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and Very Large PDF documents

 

Good Morning,

 

I am trying to assist a tax accountant who uses Jaws 2018 and Adobe Reader Pro 11 .  She is often give pdf files that are up to 1000 pages to read and extract pages as necessary!  While Jaws reads as normal for smaller documents, less than 500, at 1000+ we only get a Document Empty message.  We know that the document has been OCR’d, in fact when we extract a page from the large document it works well.  We have:

1.       Tested this with NVDA as well as the Adobe Read Out Loud.  We receive the same message.

2.       Tried all of the Adobe reading settings, e.g. process one page at a time, read from left to right, raw stream, etc.

3.       Ran Accessibility Checker which indicated that it indeed it is not an image

4.       Checked the Adobe security settings, which indicates no protection at all.

5.       Behaves the exact same way in Adobe Reader versus Pro.

 

I cannot test this document in Jaws 2019 because they are confidential tax documents, and at this time she does not have Jaws 2019 installed.  (We are working on that now.)

 

If anyone has any ideas at all, we would truly appreciate it. 

 

Thanks so much!

 

Ruth Lazzari, Assistive Technology Specialist

Oregon Commission for the Blind

 

 



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Jason White
 

Try the PDF reader that is built into current versions of Google Chrome. It
works better in many cases than Adobe Reader, in my experience.

Also, you could purchase and install ABBYY FineReader to convert the PDF files
into HTML or Microsoft Word format.

LAZZARI Ruth <ruth.lazzari@...> wrote:

Good Morning,

I am trying to assist a tax accountant who uses Jaws 2018 and Adobe Reader Pro 11 . She is often give pdf files that are up to 1000 pages to read and extract pages as necessary! While Jaws reads as normal for smaller documents, less than 500, at 1000+ we only get a Document Empty message. We know that the document has been OCR'd, in fact when we extract a page from the large document it works well. We have:
1) Tested this with NVDA as well as the Adobe Read Out Loud. We receive the same message.
2) Tried all of the Adobe reading settings, e.g. process one page at a time, read from left to right, raw stream, etc.
3) Ran Accessibility Checker which indicated that it indeed it is not an image
4) Checked the Adobe security settings, which indicates no protection at all.
5) Behaves the exact same way in Adobe Reader versus Pro.

I cannot test this document in Jaws 2019 because they are confidential tax documents, and at this time she does not have Jaws 2019 installed. (We are working on that now.)

If anyone has any ideas at all, we would truly appreciate it.

Thanks so much!

Ruth Lazzari, Assistive Technology Specialist
Oregon Commission for the Blind




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Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

Having some experience with reading long legal documents just for fun, I'd say that you could try something like Q read. If you can extract a page from the document, is there a way to split it into smaller sizes? Here's a service that will do this, you just have to upload the file. They do have a desktop client it looks like. https://www.sodapdf.com/split-pdf//

    Also last time I tried it Q read did not work with the JAWS OCR features. It hasn't updated since then, so I doubt much has changed, then again I could be wrong.


Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

I have found qRead to be well worth the $35 I believe I paid for it, especially for large documents. I use it regularly for reading technical manuals.

Pam


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Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 2:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and Very Large PDF documents

Having some experience with reading long legal documents just for fun,
I'd say that you could try something like Q read. If you can extract a
page from the document, is there a way to split it into smaller sizes?
Here's a service that will do this, you just have to upload the file.
They do have a desktop client it looks like.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sodapdf.com%2Fsplit-pdf%2F%2F&;data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C0b3cab195f744175f87008d645b13fba%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636773024913280316&amp;sdata=X3A7c84V3guLR3ogNm5mjL2KsTNV%2Bf8h5eE8DDVABYw%3D&amp;reserved=0

Also last time I tried it Q read did not work with the JAWS OCR
features. It hasn't updated since then, so I doubt much has changed,
then again I could be wrong.


LAZZARI Ruth
 

Thanks for all of those fine suggestions. I am definitely going to try the Q read for other projects! Unfortunately, she also will need to actually manipulate and edit the document; for instance extract pages then insert them in another. Converting/opening them in word then reconverting can definitely change the formatting. There are many intense tax forms and formats in one of these files.

I think for now (since we cannot ask for them in another format) we might just need to split up the actual documents into 2 or 3 files to do the editing required. I am going to keep trying alternatives though.

Thanks again,

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hope Williamson via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and Very Large PDF documents

Having some experience with reading long legal documents just for fun, I'd say that you could try something like Q read. If you can extract a page from the document, is there a way to split it into smaller sizes?
Here's a service that will do this, you just have to upload the file.
They do have a desktop client it looks like.
https://www.sodapdf.com/split-pdf//

Also last time I tried it Q read did not work with the JAWS OCR features. It hasn't updated since then, so I doubt much has changed, then again I could be wrong.







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John Covici
 

How about the full version of Acrobat DC, not the reader. This one
you have to pay for.

On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:58:23 -0500,
LAZZARI Ruth wrote:

Thanks for all of those fine suggestions. I am definitely going to try the Q read for other projects! Unfortunately, she also will need to actually manipulate and edit the document; for instance extract pages then insert them in another. Converting/opening them in word then reconverting can definitely change the formatting. There are many intense tax forms and formats in one of these files.

I think for now (since we cannot ask for them in another format) we might just need to split up the actual documents into 2 or 3 files to do the editing required. I am going to keep trying alternatives though.

Thanks again,

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hope Williamson via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and Very Large PDF documents

Having some experience with reading long legal documents just for fun, I'd say that you could try something like Q read. If you can extract a page from the document, is there a way to split it into smaller sizes?
Here's a service that will do this, you just have to upload the file.
They do have a desktop client it looks like.
https://www.sodapdf.com/split-pdf//

Also last time I tried it Q read did not work with the JAWS OCR features. It hasn't updated since then, so I doubt much has changed, then again I could be wrong.







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pmbeardy@...
 

hello, maybe try openbook. use the save page range option to save the document.

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 16:10:23 +0000, "LAZZARI Ruth" wrote:

Good Morning,
 
I am trying to assist a tax accountant who uses Jaws 2018 and Adobe Reader Pro 11 .  She is often give pdf files that are up to 1000 pages to read and extract pages as necessary!  While Jaws reads as normal for smaller documents, less than 500, at 1000+ we only get a Document Empty message.  We know that the document has been OCR’d, in fact when we extract a page from the large document it works well.  We have:
  1. Tested this with NVDA as well as the Adobe Read Out Loud.  We receive the same message.
  2. Tried all of the Adobe reading settings, e.g. process one page at a time, read from left to right, raw stream, etc.
  3. Ran Accessibility Checker which indicated that it indeed it is not an image
  4. Checked the Adobe security settings, which indicates no protection at all.
  5. Behaves the exact same way in Adobe Reader versus Pro.
 
I cannot test this document in Jaws 2019 because they are confidential tax documents, and at this time she does not have Jaws 2019 installed.  (We are working on that now.)
 
If anyone has any ideas at all, we would truly appreciate it. 
 
Thanks so much!
 
Ruth Lazzari, Assistive Technology Specialist
Oregon Commission for the Blind
 
 


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Jonas Voll
 

Ruth!

You may want to try a older version of Adobe!

I created some editable PDF’s that do not work in the new version!

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of pmbeardy@...
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:17 PM
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hello, maybe try openbook. use the save page range option to save the document.

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 16:10:23 +0000, "LAZZARI Ruth" wrote:


Good Morning,

 

I am trying to assist a tax accountant who uses Jaws 2018 and Adobe Reader Pro 11 .  She is often give pdf files that are up to 1000 pages to read and extract pages as necessary!  While Jaws reads as normal for smaller documents, less than 500, at 1000+ we only get a Document Empty message.  We know that the document has been OCR’d, in fact when we extract a page from the large document it works well.  We have:

1.    Tested this with NVDA as well as the Adobe Read Out Loud.  We receive the same message.

2.    Tried all of the Adobe reading settings, e.g. process one page at a time, read from left to right, raw stream, etc.

3.    Ran Accessibility Checker which indicated that it indeed it is not an image

4.    Checked the Adobe security settings, which indicates no protection at all.

5.    Behaves the exact same way in Adobe Reader versus Pro.

 

I cannot test this document in Jaws 2019 because they are confidential tax documents, and at this time she does not have Jaws 2019 installed.  (We are working on that now.)

 

If anyone has any ideas at all, we would truly appreciate it. 

 

Thanks so much!

 

Ruth Lazzari, Assistive Technology Specialist

Oregon Commission for the Blind

 

 



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