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What backup software can we use with jaws?


David Ingram
 

Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use with jaws?


Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7 backup tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel and then find it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and then you will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from the windows 10 installer screen using narrator, remember the installer now talks. You would click on repair my computer and you can restore the backup from there, it backs up all jaws and other licenses you have when it does a sector by sector backup.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ingram" <dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use with jaws?


Gerald Levy
 

And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind? Seems to me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7 backup
tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel and then find
it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and then you
will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from the windows 10
installer screen using narrator, remember the installer now talks. You
would click on repair my computer and you can restore the backup from there,
it backs up all jaws and other licenses you have when it does a sector by
sector backup.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ingram" <dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use with jaws?



Nino Dagostino
 

Good morning:

If your drive crashed because of macanical reasons you would have to get a new drive but, you would still be able to boot from your usb stick.

Have a good day.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?


And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind? Seems to me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7 backup tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel and then find it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and then you will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from the windows 10 installer screen using narrator, remember the installer now talks. You would click on repair my computer and you can restore the backup from there, it backs up all jaws and other licenses you have when it does a sector by sector backup.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ingram" <dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use with
jaws?



Steve Matzura
 

Gerald,


Re-read Isaac's message. You must have either a Windows pre-installation environment with NVDA enabled, which you can get from http://www.opopanax.net/download, or the Windows 10 installation disk you make with the Windows Media Creation Tool from https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209


Another possibility, my personal and particular favorite, is Terabyte Unlimited's Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com - You still need the above mentioned tools for a restore to the system's boot drive of course. The Microsoft backup program is OK, but if you like or want finer control of backup media, with more interesting and useful options and features, then, in my unhumble opinion, the Terabyte product is the better choice. Many users don't like it because it's not free--costs about fifty dollars US--but after trying the program for thirty days and discovering it doesn't do any more for you than the included backup program already on your Windows machine, you can uninstall it and still walk away happy.

On 8/16/2018 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind?  Seems to me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7 backup
tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel and then find
it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and then you
will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from the windows 10
installer screen using narrator, remember the installer now talks.  You
would click on repair my computer and you can restore the backup from there,
it backs up all jaws and other licenses you have when it does a sector by
sector backup.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ingram" <dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use with jaws?


Alan Robbins
 

Steve,

I have been using image for windows for probably 10+ years. I cannot tell you how many times it has saved my bacon. Way back I used to create images on DVD's and one could restore without sighted assistance as there was a tutorial done by David Farrin (Jaws-users-list) telling one what needed to be pushed when the reboot screen first came up.
However, what I came to several years ago is simply using a USB to sata adapter and restoring directly to whatever drive I wanted by using a spare bootable drive I had to perform the operation. If anyone is not following this, write back and I'll provide more detailed directions.

Great software and don't know why so many folks keep looking for something accessible when this has been around for years.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Gerald,


Re-read Isaac's message. You must have either a Windows pre-installation environment with NVDA enabled, which you can get from http://www.opopanax.net/download, or the Windows 10 installation disk you make with the Windows Media Creation Tool from
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209


Another possibility, my personal and particular favorite, is Terabyte Unlimited's Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com - You still need the above mentioned tools for a restore to the system's boot drive of course. The Microsoft backup program is OK, but if you like or want finer control of backup media, with more interesting and useful options and features, then, in my unhumble opinion, the Terabyte product is the better choice. Many users don't like it because it's not free--costs about fifty dollars US--but after trying the program for thirty days and discovering it doesn't do any more for you than the included backup program already on your Windows machine, you can uninstall it and still walk away happy.

On 8/16/2018 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind? Seems to
me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to
restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7
backup tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel
and then find it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and
then you will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from
the windows 10 installer screen using narrator, remember the installer
now talks. You would click on repair my computer and you can restore
the backup from there, it backs up all jaws and other licenses you
have when it does a sector by sector backup.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ingram"
<dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use
with jaws?


Richard Turner
 


Steve,
Perhaps I need more directions on the Terrabyte package. I tried the trial version, but it seems not as clear to me how you select just the folders you want backed up.
Do you have any instructions for Jaws users?
I am fine with spending $50, but I'm not convinced yet. I do know I do not want to just use the Windows backup though.
Richard


"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]



On Aug 16, 2018, at 3:57 AM, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:

Gerald,


Re-read Isaac's message. You must have either a Windows pre-installation environment with NVDA enabled, which you can get from https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opopanax.net%2Fdownload&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C156e71e772d74e658b6108d60366ffcb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636700138238572676&amp;sdata=FRxO70QqpraRaDNdDuA1EJ7u%2F5DUO4%2BzdePQtPdieaw%3D&amp;reserved=0, or the Windows 10 installation disk you make with the Windows Media Creation Tool from https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D691209&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C156e71e772d74e658b6108d60366ffcb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636700138238572676&amp;sdata=JWNp1EWk6T8l3PHdhGGzP%2B8%2BmLzvYfxfNeMtT1aHS9Q%3D&amp;reserved=0


Another possibility, my personal and particular favorite, is Terabyte Unlimited's Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite from https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.terabyteunlimited.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C156e71e772d74e658b6108d60366ffcb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636700138238572676&amp;sdata=77cJHyoWoBt6wBZGyLU%2BXK7LrqEFp%2F%2BUKdy7QOVgj68%3D&amp;reserved=0 - You still need the above mentioned tools for a restore to the system's boot drive of course. The Microsoft backup program is OK, but if you like or want finer control of backup media, with more interesting and useful options and features, then, in my unhumble opinion, the Terabyte product is the better choice. Many users don't like it because it's not free--costs about fifty dollars US--but after trying the program for thirty days and discovering it doesn't do any more for you than the included backup program already on your Windows machine, you can uninstall it and still walk away happy.

On 8/16/2018 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind?  Seems to me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7 backup
tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel and then find
it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and then you
will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from the windows 10
installer screen using narrator, remember the installer now talks.  You
would click on repair my computer and you can restore the backup from there,
it backs up all jaws and other licenses you have when it does a sector by
sector backup.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ingram" <dingram269@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use with jaws?





Steve Matzura
 

Al, they're not looking for accessible, because we all know that already exists; they're looking for free.

On 8/16/2018 7:20 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
Steve,

I have been using image for windows for probably 10+ years. I cannot tell you how many times it has saved my bacon. Way back I used to create images on DVD's and one could restore without sighted assistance as there was a tutorial done by David Farrin (Jaws-users-list) telling one what needed to be pushed when the reboot screen first came up.
However, what I came to several years ago is simply using a USB to sata adapter and restoring directly to whatever drive I wanted by using a spare bootable drive I had to perform the operation. If anyone is not following this, write back and I'll provide more detailed directions.

Great software and don't know why so many folks keep looking for something accessible when this has been around for years.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Gerald,


Re-read Isaac's message. You must have either a Windows pre-installation environment with NVDA enabled, which you can get from http://www.opopanax.net/download, or the Windows 10 installation disk you make with the Windows Media Creation Tool from
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209


Another possibility, my personal and particular favorite, is Terabyte Unlimited's Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com - You still need the above mentioned tools for a restore to the system's boot drive of course. The Microsoft backup program is OK, but if you like or want finer control of backup media, with more interesting and useful options and features, then, in my unhumble opinion, the Terabyte product is the better choice. Many users don't like it because it's not free--costs about fifty dollars US--but after trying the program for thirty days and discovering it doesn't do any more for you than the included backup program already on your Windows machine, you can uninstall it and still walk away happy.

On 8/16/2018 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind? Seems to
me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to
restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7
backup tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel
and then find it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and
then you will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from
the windows 10 installer screen using narrator, remember the installer
now talks. You would click on repair my computer and you can restore
the backup from there, it backs up all jaws and other licenses you
have when it does a sector by sector backup.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ingram"
<dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use
with jaws?


Richard Turner
 


Alan, please say more.
Links to any tutorials would be great too.
Richard


"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]



On Aug 16, 2018, at 4:21 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io <alan1057@...> wrote:

Steve,

I have been using image for windows for probably 10+ years. I cannot tell you how many times it has saved my bacon. Way back I used to create images on DVD's and one could restore without sighted assistance as there was a tutorial done by David Farrin (Jaws-users-list) telling one what needed to be pushed when the reboot screen first came up.
However, what I came to several years ago is simply using a USB to sata adapter and restoring directly to whatever drive I wanted by using a spare bootable drive I had to perform the operation. If anyone is not following this, write back and I'll provide more detailed directions.

Great software and don't know why so many folks keep looking for something  accessible when this has been around for years.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Gerald,


Re-read Isaac's message. You must have either a Windows pre-installation environment with NVDA enabled, which you can get from https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opopanax.net%2Fdownload&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C35b96b6db92d4ba3496208d6036a5832%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636700152607122976&amp;sdata=K4cLunQ9wZMMNCQX89%2FAdQN%2FNv5Sf83MPFyn9l%2FM88E%3D&amp;reserved=0, or the Windows 10 installation disk you make with the Windows Media Creation Tool from
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D691209&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C35b96b6db92d4ba3496208d6036a5832%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636700152607122976&amp;sdata=GHHY806vQ5%2FXY3WVKvbVLxJznhhwhcw6jxub1KfZxc0%3D&amp;reserved=0


Another possibility, my personal and particular favorite, is Terabyte Unlimited's Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite from https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.terabyteunlimited.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C35b96b6db92d4ba3496208d6036a5832%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636700152607122976&amp;sdata=EwgHHKSpY1gMVsxa%2FfZUZMvqU3UZ8KLjCAZnfB6P0os%3D&amp;reserved=0 - You still need the above mentioned tools for a restore to the system's boot drive of course. The Microsoft backup program is OK, but if you like or want finer control of backup media, with more interesting and useful options and features, then, in my unhumble opinion, the Terabyte product is the better choice. Many users don't like it because it's not free--costs about fifty dollars US--but after trying the program for thirty days and discovering it doesn't do any more for you than the included backup program already on your Windows machine, you can uninstall it and still walk away happy.

On 8/16/2018 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind?  Seems to
me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to
restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7
backup tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel
and then find it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and
then you will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from
the windows 10 installer screen using narrator, remember the installer
now talks.  You would click on repair my computer and you can restore
the backup from there, it backs up all jaws and other licenses you
have when it does a sector by sector backup.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ingram"
<dingram269@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use
with jaws?









Steve Matzura
 

Richard,


Firstly, note the word "image" in the name of the software. It's not meant for backing up individual files or folders.


Secondly, there are no  screenreader-specific instructions. They all just work. The only exception, if it is indeed an exception, is the final options screen, where the letter X is placed in front of checked options, and that X is outside the list view, so the JAWS Cursor is required to detect their presence. I've been on to Terabyte for ages to change this, but either my emails fall on deaf ears, or they've not ever gotten to the right person within their organization, or some other thing of which I cannot think or imagine. These things should be real checkboxes.


On 8/16/2018 7:25 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Steve,
Perhaps I need more directions on the Terrabyte package. I tried the trial version, but it seems not as clear to me how you select just the folders you want backed up.
Do you have any instructions for Jaws users?
I am fine with spending $50, but I'm not convinced yet. I do know I do not want to just use the Windows backup though.
Richard


"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]



On Aug 16, 2018, at 3:57 AM, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:

Gerald,


Re-read Isaac's message. You must have either a Windows pre-installation environment with NVDA enabled, which you can get from https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opopanax.net%2Fdownload&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C156e71e772d74e658b6108d60366ffcb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636700138238572676&amp;sdata=FRxO70QqpraRaDNdDuA1EJ7u%2F5DUO4%2BzdePQtPdieaw%3D&amp;reserved=0, or the Windows 10 installation disk you make with the Windows Media Creation Tool from https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D691209&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C156e71e772d74e658b6108d60366ffcb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636700138238572676&amp;sdata=JWNp1EWk6T8l3PHdhGGzP%2B8%2BmLzvYfxfNeMtT1aHS9Q%3D&amp;reserved=0


Another possibility, my personal and particular favorite, is Terabyte Unlimited's Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite from https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.terabyteunlimited.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C156e71e772d74e658b6108d60366ffcb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636700138238572676&amp;sdata=77cJHyoWoBt6wBZGyLU%2BXK7LrqEFp%2F%2BUKdy7QOVgj68%3D&amp;reserved=0 - You still need the above mentioned tools for a restore to the system's boot drive of course. The Microsoft backup program is OK, but if you like or want finer control of backup media, with more interesting and useful options and features, then, in my unhumble opinion, the Terabyte product is the better choice. Many users don't like it because it's not free--costs about fifty dollars US--but after trying the program for thirty days and discovering it doesn't do any more for you than the included backup program already on your Windows machine, you can uninstall it and still walk away happy.

On 8/16/2018 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind?  Seems to me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7 backup
tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel and then find
it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and then you
will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from the windows 10
installer screen using narrator, remember the installer now talks.  You
would click on repair my computer and you can restore the backup from there,
it backs up all jaws and other licenses you have when it does a sector by
sector backup.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ingram" <dingram269@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use with jaws?






Gerald Levy
 

I have heard that the latest version of Image for Windows, which, by the way, is not free, is not very accessible with JAWS. Is this true? Or is it totally JAWS accessible? And is the restoration procedure you describe JAWS accessible? Seems to me that no matter which rescue medium you use, i.e., DVD's,external drive or flash drive, there would be no speech to navigate the user interface to initiate the image restoration procedure. How do you get around this?

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Steve,

I have been using image for windows for probably 10+ years. I cannot tell you how many times it has saved my bacon. Way back I used to create images on DVD's and one could restore without sighted assistance as there was a tutorial done by David Farrin (Jaws-users-list) telling one what needed to be pushed when the reboot screen first came up.
However, what I came to several years ago is simply using a USB to sata adapter and restoring directly to whatever drive I wanted by using a spare bootable drive I had to perform the operation. If anyone is not following this, write back and I'll provide more detailed directions.

Great software and don't know why so many folks keep looking for something accessible when this has been around for years.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Gerald,


Re-read Isaac's message. You must have either a Windows pre-installation environment with NVDA enabled, which you can get from http://www.opopanax.net/download, or the Windows 10 installation disk you make with the Windows Media Creation Tool from
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209


Another possibility, my personal and particular favorite, is Terabyte Unlimited's Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com - You still need the above mentioned tools for a restore to the system's boot drive of course. The Microsoft backup program is OK, but if you like or want finer control of backup media, with more interesting and useful options and features, then, in my unhumble opinion, the Terabyte product is the better choice. Many users don't like it because it's not free--costs about fifty dollars US--but after trying the program for thirty days and discovering it doesn't do any more for you than the included backup program already on your Windows machine, you can uninstall it and still walk away happy.

On 8/16/2018 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind? Seems to
me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to
restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7
backup tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel
and then find it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and
then you will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from
the windows 10 installer screen using narrator, remember the installer
now talks. You would click on repair my computer and you can restore
the backup from there, it backs up all jaws and other licenses you
have when it does a sector by sector backup.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ingram"
<dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use
with jaws?


Steve Matzura
 

Gerald, have you been reading anything any of us have written today about Image for Windows? If not, I would respectfully request and suggest you do so forthwith. IFW is highly accessible. As I wrote, there's one screen whose behavior is a little odd, but by no means accessible.

On 8/16/2018 7:37 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

I have heard that the latest version of Image for Windows, which, by the way, is not free, is not very accessible with JAWS.  Is this true?  Or is it totally JAWS accessible? And is the restoration procedure you describe JAWS accessible?  Seems to me that no matter which rescue medium you use, i.e., DVD's,external drive or flash drive, there would be no speech to navigate the user interface to initiate the image restoration procedure.  How do you get around this?

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Steve,

I have been using image for windows for probably 10+ years. I cannot tell you how many times it has saved my bacon. Way back I used to create images on DVD's and one could restore without sighted assistance as there was a tutorial done by David Farrin (Jaws-users-list) telling one what needed to be pushed when the reboot screen first came up.
However, what I came to several years ago is simply using a USB to sata adapter and restoring directly to whatever drive I wanted by using a spare bootable drive I had to perform the operation. If anyone is not following this, write back and I'll provide more detailed directions.

Great software and don't know why so many folks keep looking for something accessible when this has been around for years.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Gerald,


Re-read Isaac's message. You must have either a Windows pre-installation environment with NVDA enabled, which you can get from http://www.opopanax.net/download, or the Windows 10 installation disk you make with the Windows Media Creation Tool from
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209


Another possibility, my personal and particular favorite, is Terabyte Unlimited's Drive Image Backup and Restore Suite from http://www.terabyteunlimited.com - You still need the above mentioned tools for a restore to the system's boot drive of course. The Microsoft backup program is OK, but if you like or want finer control of backup media, with more interesting and useful options and features, then, in my unhumble opinion, the Terabyte product is the better choice. Many users don't like it because it's not free--costs about fifty dollars US--but after trying the program for thirty days and discovering it doesn't do any more for you than the included backup program already on your Windows machine, you can uninstall it and still walk away happy.

On 8/16/2018 6:38 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

And all this can be done without sighted help of any kind? Seems to
me that if your hard drive crashes, you would have no speech to
restore the backup image from the external drive.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Isaac
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Well, with windows 10 latest addition, you can use the old windows 7
backup tool that is built in to windows 10 under the control pannel
and then find it there.
You will create a system image, and store it on a backup drive, and
then you will have to boot from usb to restore the system image from
the windows 10 installer screen using narrator, remember the installer
now talks.  You would click on repair my computer and you can restore
the backup from there, it backs up all jaws and other licenses you
have when it does a sector by sector backup.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ingram"
<dingram269@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: What backup software can we use with jaws?


Hi list members, does anyone know of backup software that we can use
with jaws?


 

Just for my own edification, I would like to know more about how a JAWS user goes about actually doing a restore, if/when necessary/desirable, using Image for Windows.

I have yet to know of any way that is accessible, at least in any conventional sense of the word, to recover from an external system image on a system where Windows either will not boot or, if a new HDD replacement was needed, does not even exist.

If this utility has some sort of speech enabled recovery process that would be most useful to know about.  And I mean specifically recovering from a disaster where you are not going to be booting into Windows in order to kick off the entire process.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Steve Matzura
 

 Brian,


As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary  accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program. This is accomplished in one of two ways: (1) Obtain the most excellent Windows 10 pre-installation environment from http://www.opopanax.net/download and write it to a USB drive or DVD, or (2) obtain the Windows Media Creation Tool from https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209 and make a Windows 10 installation USB thumb drive or DVD, boot it, and start Narrator.


There is one more thing one has to do which has not been mentioned so far, and that is, to build an external, or "portable," copy of IFW on another drive. I have recorded a short program detailing how to do this. Download it from https://www.dropbox.com/s/654zldv0meha93c/PE%20Builder.mp3?dl=0


On 8/16/2018 10:47 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just for my own edification, I would like to know more about how a JAWS user goes about actually doing a restore, if/when necessary/desirable, using Image for Windows.

I have yet to know of any way that is accessible, at least in any conventional sense of the word, to recover from an external system image on a system where Windows either will not boot or, if a new HDD replacement was needed, does not even exist.

If this utility has some sort of speech enabled recovery process that would be most useful to know about.  And I mean specifically recovering from a disaster where you are not going to be booting into Windows in order to kick off the entire process.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill



Gerald Levy
 

 
I don’t understand.  If your hard drive crashes, you need a rescue medium to perform an image restoration from a backup external drive.  This rescue medium, whether it is a DVD,flash drive or portable external drive has some kind of user interface which must be navigated.  But there is no speech on the rescue medium so there is no way to navigate it without sighted help.  You cannot simply plug a rescue medium into a USB port an automatically initiate the restoration without some kind of intervention.  Options must be selected.  Check boxes must be checked, etc.  How is this done without speech orsighted help?
 
Gerald
 
 
 

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?
 

Brian,

 

As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary  accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program. This is accomplished in one of two ways: (1) Obtain the most excellent Windows 10 pre-installation environment from http://www.opopanax.net/download and write it to a USB drive or DVD, or (2) obtain the Windows Media Creation Tool from https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209 and make a Windows 10 installation USB thumb drive or DVD, boot it, and start Narrator.

 

There is one more thing one has to do which has not been mentioned so far, and that is, to build an external, or "portable," copy of IFW on another drive. I have recorded a short program detailing how to do this. Download it from https://www.dropbox.com/s/654zldv0meha93c/PE%20Builder.mp3?dl=0


On 8/16/2018 10:47 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just for my own edification, I would like to know more about how a JAWS user goes about actually doing a restore, if/when necessary/desirable, using Image for Windows.

I have yet to know of any way that is accessible, at least in any conventional sense of the word, to recover from an external system image on a system where Windows either will not boot or, if a new HDD replacement was needed, does not even exist.

If this utility has some sort of speech enabled recovery process that would be most useful to know about.  And I mean specifically recovering from a disaster where you are not going to be booting into Windows in order to kick off the entire process.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill



John Covici
 

Newer versions of windows do have speech, you can start narrator and
for a lot of sound cards speech is there and if you have another drive
with your backup software on it, this should work. I don't have that
software, but this is the idea.

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:28:02 -0400,
Gerald Levy wrote:

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I don’t understand. If your hard drive crashes, you need a rescue medium to perform an image restoration from a backup external drive. This rescue medium, whether it is a DVD,flash drive or portable external drive has some kind of user
interface which must be navigated. But there is no speech on the rescue medium so there is no way to navigate it without sighted help. You cannot simply plug a rescue medium into a USB port an automatically initiate the restoration
without some kind of intervention. Options must be selected. Check boxes must be checked, etc. How is this done without speech orsighted help?

Gerald



From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What backup software can we use with jaws?

Brian,



As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program. This is accomplished in one of two ways: (1) Obtain the most excellent
Windows 10 pre-installation environment from http://www.opopanax.net/download and write it to a USB drive or DVD, or (2) obtain the Windows Media Creation Tool from https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209 and make a Windows 10
installation USB thumb drive or DVD, boot it, and start Narrator.



There is one more thing one has to do which has not been mentioned so far, and that is, to build an external, or "portable," copy of IFW on another drive. I have recorded a short program detailing how to do this. Download it from
https://www.dropbox.com/s/654zldv0meha93c/PE%20Builder.mp3?dl=0

On 8/16/2018 10:47 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Just for my own edification, I would like to know more about how a JAWS user goes about actually doing a restore, if/when necessary/desirable, using Image for Windows.

I have yet to know of any way that is accessible, at least in any conventional sense of the word, to recover from an external system image on a system where Windows either will not boot or, if a new HDD replacement was needed, does
not even exist.

If this utility has some sort of speech enabled recovery process that would be most useful to know about. And I mean specifically recovering from a disaster where you are not going to be booting into Windows in order to kick off the
entire process.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


 

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:01 PM, John Covici wrote:
Newer versions of windows do have speech, you can start narrator
Not under Windows PE you can't, or not any  version that I've ever laid hands on.

What I, and Gerald, are saying is that we are unaware of any "pre-full Windows having booted" recovery media that support speech.  I know of not a single one, and I've been in this business a very long time.

If someone can actually tell me where one is, I'd love to look at it.

If Windows itself, as in from your hard drive, actually boots then you're not doing a typical system image recovery, which is what's the crux of the matter.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


 

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
As stated in at least two messages in this thread today, one must have a secondary  accessible operating system to boot in order to run the Image for Windows program.
So, in other words, you're using a functional instance of Windows to recover a system image backup to a drive that is not the system drive.  That's the only way I can read this.

It's good to know this can be done, but it's not, in any way shape or form, a typical system image recovery nor something that a very great many users have the equipment sitting around at home to do.

I have not ever tried using Narrator with the Windows 10 ISO burned as bootable to USB, and I have heard about that.  But are you able to kick off any sort of system restore that way?

The crux of all of this, for me, anyway, is trying to find out if there is a way, when the end user has only one computer, has been taking system images, and needs to restore one to that computer when there has been a catastrophic failure that does not allow that computer to boot, that supports speech guidance.  If such exists, it would be a real boon.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


 

Steve,

            By the way, unless that Windows PE download at  http://www.opopanax.net/download
is customized in some way it shouldn't have speech.  Windows PE, up through the latest version I've dealt with, did not, but if these do, that would be great to know.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


John Covici
 

I think if you use a version of the dvd that is 1703 or later, once
booted up you can start narrator by doing control-windows-enter and it
will work on a number of sound cards.

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 12:06:05 -0400,
Brian Vogel wrote:

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On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:01 PM, John Covici wrote:

Newer versions of windows do have speech, you can start narrator

Not under Windows PE you can't, or not any version that I've ever laid hands on.

What I, and Gerald, are saying is that we are unaware of any "pre-full Windows having booted" recovery media that support speech. I know of not a single one, and I've been in this business a very long time.

If someone can actually tell me where one is, I'd love to look at it.

If Windows itself, as in from your hard drive, actually boots then you're not doing a typical system image recovery, which is what's the crux of the matter.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com