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David Pearson
Hello all:
Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is currently I.E. What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other pc programs) to doing so? Thank you, David S. Pearson |
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Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
There are no effects on other applications.
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Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many more extensions available. The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7 for a links list etc. I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer. If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE. You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button. Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use proper table navigation to read this information. I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more years and it will most likely go away completely. Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it comes to market share. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: IE vs. "Chrome" Hello all: Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is currently I.E. What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other pc programs) to doing so? Thank you, David S. Pearson |
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Sharon
Is there a tutorial on Chrome anywhere?
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Does control o work to open a file? Or control l like in Firefox? I am looking for a way to load files faster. Wasn't in inaccessible until recently? Sharon -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:58 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" There are no effects on other applications. Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many more extensions available. The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7 for a links list etc. I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer. If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE. You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button. Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use proper table navigation to read this information. I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more years and it will most likely go away completely. Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it comes to market share. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: IE vs. "Chrome" Hello all: Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is currently I.E. What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other pc programs) to doing so? Thank you, David S. Pearson |
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Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
Chrome has been accessible for a number of years, with Jaws certainly since Jaws 17 which was released in the fall of 2015.
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Control+O will bring up a standard Open dialogue I Chrome. What files are you opening? Interestingly enough that is not a feature I really ever use, I just go to web pages. -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" Is there a tutorial on Chrome anywhere? Does control o work to open a file? Or control l like in Firefox? I am looking for a way to load files faster. Wasn't in inaccessible until recently? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:58 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" There are no effects on other applications. Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many more extensions available. The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7 for a links list etc. I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer. If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE. You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button. Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use proper table navigation to read this information. I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more years and it will most likely go away completely. Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it comes to market share. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: IE vs. "Chrome" Hello all: Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is currently I.E. What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other pc programs) to doing so? Thank you, David S. Pearson |
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Sharon
You just go to web pages?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:33 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" Chrome has been accessible for a number of years, with Jaws certainly since Jaws 17 which was released in the fall of 2015. Control+O will bring up a standard Open dialogue I Chrome. What files are you opening? Interestingly enough that is not a feature I really ever use, I just go to web pages. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" Is there a tutorial on Chrome anywhere? Does control o work to open a file? Or control l like in Firefox? I am looking for a way to load files faster. Wasn't in inaccessible until recently? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:58 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" There are no effects on other applications. Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many more extensions available. The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7 for a links list etc. I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer. If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE. You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button. Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use proper table navigation to read this information. I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more years and it will most likely go away completely. Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it comes to market share. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: IE vs. "Chrome" Hello all: Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is currently I.E. What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other pc programs) to doing so? Thank you, David S. Pearson |
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Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
Well, Chrome is a web browser and that is what I usually use it for, I do my banking, go to supplier websites/online ordering systems, I do some online shopping, use Google a lot to search for stuff etc.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:56 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" You just go to web pages? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:33 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" Chrome has been accessible for a number of years, with Jaws certainly since Jaws 17 which was released in the fall of 2015. Control+O will bring up a standard Open dialogue I Chrome. What files are you opening? Interestingly enough that is not a feature I really ever use, I just go to web pages. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" Is there a tutorial on Chrome anywhere? Does control o work to open a file? Or control l like in Firefox? I am looking for a way to load files faster. Wasn't in inaccessible until recently? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:58 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" There are no effects on other applications. Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many more extensions available. The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7 for a links list etc. I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer. If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE. You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button. Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use proper table navigation to read this information. I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more years and it will most likely go away completely. Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it comes to market share. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: IE vs. "Chrome" Hello all: Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is currently I.E. What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other pc programs) to doing so? Thank you, David S. Pearson |
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Ed Legge <edward.legge@...>
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 08:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" Is there a tutorial on Chrome anywhere? Does control o work to open a file? Or control l like in Firefox? I am looking for a way to load files faster. Wasn't in inaccessible until recently? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:58 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" There are no effects on other applications. Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many more extensions available. The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7 for a links list etc. I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer. If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE. You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button. Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use proper table navigation to read this information. I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more years and it will most likely go away completely. Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it comes to market share. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: IE vs. "Chrome" Hello all: Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is currently I.E. What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other pc programs) to doing so? Thank you, David S. Pearson |
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Chrome and Firefox both have been accessible (or as accessible as things can get in the ever changing world that is web browsers and browsing) for several years now.
I recall the days when it was IE and only IE, and I breathed a huge sigh of relief once "the dam broke" and efforts were made to make the other major web browsers accessible. Given that Chrome's now #1, and by quite a large margin, it's got to be a focus for the writers of screen reader software. IE has been fading fast, and is fading faster by the day. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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James Homuth
If by fading you mean dead, then yes. Word is next major update to Win10 it takes a long walk.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Chrome and Firefox both have been accessible (or as accessible as things can get in the ever changing world that is web browsers and browsing) for several years now. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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Sharon
What I meant was:
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How do you go to web pages? In other words, what key stroke do you use to do that? I'm gathering it's control l. Sharon -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 10:42 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" Well, Chrome is a web browser and that is what I usually use it for, I do my banking, go to supplier websites/online ordering systems, I do some online shopping, use Google a lot to search for stuff etc. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:56 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" You just go to web pages? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:33 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" Chrome has been accessible for a number of years, with Jaws certainly since Jaws 17 which was released in the fall of 2015. Control+O will bring up a standard Open dialogue I Chrome. What files are you opening? Interestingly enough that is not a feature I really ever use, I just go to web pages. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" Is there a tutorial on Chrome anywhere? Does control o work to open a file? Or control l like in Firefox? I am looking for a way to load files faster. Wasn't in inaccessible until recently? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 8:58 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome" There are no effects on other applications. Chrome is a much faster browser, sites will load faster and there are many more extensions available. The same Jaws commands work with Chrome, e.g. all the quick nav keys for finding buttons, form fields, headings etc. and also things like Jaws Key+F7 for a links list etc. I suggest you go to Settings and sign in with your Google account after you install Chrome as this will sync any information like what extensions are installed etc. across devices or if you ever get a new computer. If you use Favourites a lot you may not like Chrome, its bookmark manager is in some ways less intuitive to use as Favourites in IE. You can get Chrome by going to www.google.com/chrome, go to the very top and use "b" to find the "Download Chrome" button. Installing Chrome does not mean you can't use IE any more, you can make either browser your default but use the other if needed. I use Chrome 99% of the time, but still may fall back on IE or Firefox occasionally. For example, on my Bank of Montreal Mastercard website Jaws will not read me my Mastercard transaction details if I use Chrome. This is a table and Jaws will read me the headings like transaction date, posting date, description and amount, but then there is nothing else. With IE and Firefox I can use proper table navigation to read this information. I think it is a good idea to start to get used to Chrome since IE is no longer being developed and it is just being maintained for now, a few more years and it will most likely go away completely. Firefox also works with the latest Jaws 2018 update and some people prefer it over Chrome,but Chrome is definitely the big browser out there when it comes to market share. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Pearson Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: IE vs. "Chrome" Hello all: Using Dell desktop(Windows7), and current version of Jaws. Browser is currently I.E. What are the advantages/disadvantages of changing to "Chrome", how would I make the switch, and are there any negative ramifications (concerning other pc programs) to doing so? Thank you, David S. Pearson |
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On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:18 AM, James Homuth wrote:
If by fading you mean dead, then yes.IE has been "dead browser walking" for some time now. Until Microsoft pulls it from a Windows 10 release, or at least announces that it will be doing so, I'm not willing to pronounce it dead just yet. That being said, people should have stopped using IE11 a long time ago. Yes, I get that it's familiar and comfortable, but the moment a maker like Microsoft announces that development, except for security patches, has ceased on what had been its flagship web browser the writing is on the wall. Far better to get yourself acquainted with the alternatives and how to use them while you still have IE11 to fall back on. The day is coming, and soon, where it's going to be a "switch or have nothing" situation for die-hard IE users. When you add to this that there are already a multitude of websites that don't work correctly with IE11 since it hasn't kept up with changing developments in webpage coding, the need to move ASAP becomes even more obvious. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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Sharon
Is there a way to export IE favorites into either Firefox or Google Chrome? Would hate to lose all these favorites. Sharon
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:18 AM, James Homuth wrote:
IE has been "dead browser walking" for some time now. Until Microsoft pulls it from a Windows 10 release, or at least announces that it will be doing so, I'm not willing to pronounce it dead just yet. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Sharon wrote:
Is there a way to export IE favorites into either Firefox or Google Chrome?The simple, snarky version of the answer is, "Yes." The slightly more complex, but incomplete one, is exactly how you will do it depends on whether you already have Firefox or Chrome installed or not. Both Firefox and Chrome (and virtually any alternative web browser I've dealt with during the last 5 years, at least) will ask as part of their install process if you wish to import favorites from browsers it detects are already installed on your system. You can choose to import them and they will automagically be in the bookmarks for that newly installed browser. If you installed Firefox or Chrome as your backup browser a long while ago, but didn't bother to import then, you can use the export function from the bookmarks/favorites manager of the other browser and the import function under Firefox, Chrome, or other alternate browser and there they'll be [including your folder structure, if you've used one]. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
As for opening web pages, I do this in various ways, here are the most common:
1. I open Google Chrome with my Windows Key+1 shortcut, then press F6 which takes me to the addressbar and I type in the exact website address if I know it. 2. If I don’t know the exact address I do a Google search, find the result I want using heading quick nav keys and press enter on the one that is the correct one. 3. I may also have shortcuts saved on my desktop which take me to commonly used websites 4. I use the Roboform password manager and many websites which require login I access directly from Roboform by pressing Jaws Key+F11 to bring u pthe system tray items, I press “R” for Roboform, go to the Logins menu item and find the website I want by first letter navigation. If I am logged into Roboform with my Master password the website opens, user name and password are filled in for me and the form is submitted.
Best regards, Sieghard
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 9:17 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: IE vs. "Chrome"
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Sharon wrote:
The simple, snarky version of the answer is, "Yes." Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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