language question


Sandra Streeter
 

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in “Jean Valjean”? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name in the dictionary manager program, but couldn’t get it to pronounce it as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue jean pants or skirts.

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Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in
“Jean Valjean”? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
in the dictionary manager program, but couldn’t get it to pronounce it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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Dave...
 

Sandra,

All I can suggest is to play around with unusual letter combinations, and
even consider the grave accent mark or apostrophe to modify the way the
sound comes out. Bear in mind that this would be done one way with
Eloquence, but would be very different with some other synthesizer -- they
vary quite a bit in their phoneme dictionaries.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in “Jean
Valjean”? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name in the
dictionary manager program, but couldn’t get it to pronounce it as I knew it
should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

How about Zzjawn?

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Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in “Jean Valjean”? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name in the dictionary manager program, but couldn’t get it to pronounce it as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



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Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS. I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her name is pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue jean pants or skirts.

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Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in
“Jean Valjean”? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
in the dictionary manager program, but couldn’t get it to pronounce it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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HAMILTON
 

I too know someone by the name, Jeanne. It is almost impossible to get the
"soft" J sound. The closest that I have been able to come, with her name, is
"jian". The sound is correct, except for the slightly harder "J" sound. At
least, I recognize her name, and it's much better than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
Give it a try.

Jim H

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I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS. I have
a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her name is
pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's going to
have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about Jean Stapleton
or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue jean pants or skirts.

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Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to pronounce it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

Zjeanne might work.

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I too know someone by the name, Jeanne. It is almost impossible to get
the "soft" J sound. The closest that I have been able to come, with
her name, is "jian". The sound is correct, except for the slightly
harder "J" sound. At least, I recognize her name, and it's much better
than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
Give it a try.

Jim H

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I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS.
I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
name is pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about
Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue
jean pants or skirts.

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Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to pronounce
it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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Adrian Spratt
 

Nice. This is the first one that works for my synthesizer. I'd only suggest that you remove the first 'e" to get the right French vowel:

Zjanne

I'm adding it to my JAWS dictionary.

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Zjeanne might work.

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I too know someone by the name, Jeanne. It is almost impossible to get
the "soft" J sound. The closest that I have been able to come, with
her name, is "jian". The sound is correct, except for the slightly
harder "J" sound. At least, I recognize her name, and it's much better
than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
Give it a try.

Jim H

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Subject: RE: language question

I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS.
I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
name is pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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Subject: RE: language question

I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about
Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue
jean pants or skirts.

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Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to pronounce
it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

The soft French J sound, the one they use with the d in front of it, can
often be simulated with a zj, as it's got a lot of the soft z sound to the
beginning of it, a z sound they don't use much, instead preferring the hard
Z of zed.

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Nice. This is the first one that works for my synthesizer. I'd only
suggest that you remove the first 'e" to get the right French vowel:

Zjanne

I'm adding it to my JAWS dictionary.

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Zjeanne might work.

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Subject: RE: language question

I too know someone by the name, Jeanne. It is almost impossible to
get the "soft" J sound. The closest that I have been able to come,
with her name, is "jian". The sound is correct, except for the
slightly harder "J" sound. At least, I recognize her name, and it's
much better than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
Give it a try.

Jim H

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Subject: RE: language question

I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by
JAWS.
I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
name is pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks
about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of
any blue jean pants or skirts.

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Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that
name in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to
pronounce
it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated!
Thanks!



Sandra
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HAMILTON
 

I am glad to hear that this works in your JAWS Dictionairy. However, when I
read, with JAWS, "Zjanne", I hear the "Z"; it's almost another sylable. At
least, this is how it sounds on my Windows 8.1, I-7, 64-git system, using
J16.

Of course, I would really be pleased if someone could tell us how to "mimic"
the "soft J" sound.

Jim H

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Nice. This is the first one that works for my synthesizer. I'd only suggest
that you remove the first 'e" to get the right French vowel:

Zjanne

I'm adding it to my JAWS dictionary.

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Zjeanne might work.

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I too know someone by the name, Jeanne. It is almost impossible to get
the "soft" J sound. The closest that I have been able to come, with
her name, is "jian". The sound is correct, except for the slightly
harder "J" sound. At least, I recognize her name, and it's much better
than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
Give it a try.

Jim H

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Subject: RE: language question

I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS.
I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
name is pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about
Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue
jean pants or skirts.

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Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to pronounce
it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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judith bron
 

I think with the soft J Jaws says it well on its own. It says my name,
Judith, without my having to play with the dictionary. Words like jump,
jack and jill all come out fine.

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I am glad to hear that this works in your JAWS Dictionairy. However, when I
read, with JAWS, "Zjanne", I hear the "Z"; it's almost another sylable. At
least, this is how it sounds on my Windows 8.1, I-7, 64-git system, using
J16.

Of course, I would really be pleased if someone could tell us how to "mimic"
the "soft J" sound.

Jim H

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Nice. This is the first one that works for my synthesizer. I'd only suggest
that you remove the first 'e" to get the right French vowel:

Zjanne

I'm adding it to my JAWS dictionary.

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Zjeanne might work.

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I too know someone by the name, Jeanne. It is almost impossible to
get the "soft" J sound. The closest that I have been able to come,
with her name, is "jian". The sound is correct, except for the
slightly harder "J" sound. At least, I recognize her name, and it's
much better than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
Give it a try.

Jim H

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Subject: RE: language question

I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS.
I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
name is pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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Subject: RE: language question

I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks
about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of
any blue jean pants or skirts.

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Streeter via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:54 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Sandra Streeter
Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that
name in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to
pronounce
it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
"To love another person is to se the face of God."
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HAMILTON
 

Well, on my system, Judith, jump, Jack and Jill (not to mention my name,
"Jim") all start with the sound of the "regular j". In other words, the
"j"s in each name make the same sound for me. In prior/below messages on
this subject, you may have noted that "zj", as in "zjeanne" and "zjanne",
was used effectively, by a couple of people, for the "soft j" sound; but,
that does not work on my system. For me, it sounds like 2 sylables.

Clearly, this is something for which anyone, with this specific/similar
issue, will have to find a solution that works for her/him. This seems to
be related to everyone having, at least slightly, different computing/sound
devices, software, synthacizers and other such things, as part of their
configurations.

In other words, we're on our own, on this type of thing at least.

Jim H

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Cc: j Bron <jbron@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: language question

I think with the soft J Jaws says it well on its own. It says my name,
Judith, without my having to play with the dictionary. Words like jump,
jack and jill all come out fine.

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Subject: RE: language question

I am glad to hear that this works in your JAWS Dictionairy. However, when I
read, with JAWS, "Zjanne", I hear the "Z"; it's almost another sylable. At
least, this is how it sounds on my Windows 8.1, I-7, 64-git system, using
J16.

Of course, I would really be pleased if someone could tell us how to "mimic"
the "soft J" sound.

Jim H

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Subject: RE: language question

Nice. This is the first one that works for my synthesizer. I'd only suggest
that you remove the first 'e" to get the right French vowel:

Zjanne

I'm adding it to my JAWS dictionary.

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via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 5:22 PM
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Cc: Nicole Massey
Subject: RE: language question

Zjeanne might work.

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Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 2:35 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: language question

I too know someone by the name, Jeanne. It is almost impossible to
get the "soft" J sound. The closest that I have been able to come,
with her name, is "jian". The sound is correct, except for the
slightly harder "J" sound. At least, I recognize her name, and it's
much better than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
Give it a try.

Jim H

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Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 3:17 PM
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Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: language question

I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS.
I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
name is pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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Subject: RE: language question

I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks
about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of
any blue jean pants or skirts.

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Streeter via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:54 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Sandra Streeter
Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that
name in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to
pronounce
it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

On that, specify caps only. Of course, that would also apply to Ms. Stapleton. Rather reminds me of the episode where Archie had a hospital roommate from Martinique, but that is another story.

Ted

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I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue jean pants or skirts.

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Cc: Sandra Streeter
Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in
“Jean Valjean”? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
in the dictionary manager program, but couldn’t get it to pronounce it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Are you guys saying JAWS French pronunciation can't handle this? That seems about as weird as stumbling over Bill or John in English.

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Subject: RE: language question

Zjeanne might work.

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Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 2:35 PM
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Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: language question

I too know someone by the name, Jeanne. It is almost impossible to
get the "soft" J sound. The closest that I have been able to come,
with her name, is "jian". The sound is correct, except for the
slightly harder "J" sound. At least, I recognize her name, and it's
much better than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
Give it a try.

Jim H

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Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 3:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: language question

I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS.
I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
name is pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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Subject: RE: language question

I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks
about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of
any blue jean pants or skirts.

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Streeter via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:54 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Sandra Streeter
Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that
name in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to
pronounce
it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
"To love another person is to se the face of God."
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HAMILTON
 

Ted:

Well, that's the best I have heard so far. Both sound good; but, I might
prefer the first, "zhahn".

Mind you, my friend's name sounds more like a "soft j" Jan; so, let's see if
"zhan" does it -without the second "h".

Well what do you know! That's it exactly! I shall change my dictionary
accordingly.

Thank you.

Jim H

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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:03 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Nicole Massey
Subject: RE: language question

I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's going to
have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about Jean Stapleton
or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue jean pants or skirts.

-----Original Message-----
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Streeter via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:54 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Sandra Streeter
Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to pronounce it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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HAMILTON
 

Ted:

I had no idea that "language" would enter into this discussion. If there is
a way to specify the language in which a word should be pronounced, please
let me know. I imagine that it might have something to do with the dialogue
string that you get into when entering a new "dictionary setting"; but, I've
never even seen it. Perhaps, I just have not looked!

Thanks.
Jim H

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Subject: RE: language question

Are you guys saying JAWS French pronunciation can't handle this? That seems
about as weird as stumbling over Bill or John in English.

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Cc: Nicole Massey
Subject: RE: language question

Zjeanne might work.

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Hamilton via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 2:35 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Hamilton
Subject: RE: language question

I too know someone by the name, Jeanne. It is almost impossible to
get the "soft" J sound. The closest that I have been able to come,
with her name, is "jian". The sound is correct, except for the
slightly harder "J" sound. At least, I recognize her name, and it's
much better than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
Give it a try.

Jim H

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Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 3:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net>
Subject: RE: language question

I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS.
I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
name is pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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Cc: Nicole Massey <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>
Subject: RE: language question

I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks
about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of
any blue jean pants or skirts.

-----Original Message-----
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Streeter via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:54 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Sandra Streeter
Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that
name in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to
pronounce
it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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Cristóbal
 

Why not just add the word in question to the dictionary manager but with the
French synth option?

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Ted:

Well, that's the best I have heard so far. Both sound good; but, I might
prefer the first, "zhahn".

Mind you, my friend's name sounds more like a "soft j" Jan; so, let's see if
"zhan" does it -without the second "h".

Well what do you know! That's it exactly! I shall change my dictionary
accordingly.

Thank you.

Jim H

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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:03 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Nicole Massey
Subject: RE: language question

I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's going
to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about Jean
Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue jean pants
or skirts.

-----Original Message-----
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Streeter via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:54 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Sandra Streeter
Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to pronounce it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
"To love another person is to se the face of God."
(Les Miserables--the musical)
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Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Jim. When you enter a word, first, specify the default configuration file with CONTROL plus SHIFT plus D. Then specify English as the language instead of "All Languages". Doing this will cause another option to be displayed in the dialogue box of the Dictionary Manager. Once this new "Synthesizer" choice comes up, specify "Eloquence Software" instead of "All Synthesizers". This will open up a list of choices as to the default language in which the word will be spoken. For your French name, you would choose French as the default language for that word in particular. Then, each time that name is spoken, it will use the French language to pronounce the name.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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Ted:

I had no idea that "language" would enter into this discussion. If there is
a way to specify the language in which a word should be pronounced, please
let me know. I imagine that it might have something to do with the dialogue
string that you get into when entering a new "dictionary setting"; but, I've
never even seen it. Perhaps, I just have not looked!

Thanks.
Jim H

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Are you guys saying JAWS French pronunciation can't handle this? That seems
about as weird as stumbling over Bill or John in English.

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Zjeanne might work.

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I too know someone by the name, Jeanne. It is almost impossible to
get the "soft" J sound. The closest that I have been able to come,
with her name, is "jian". The sound is correct, except for the
slightly harder "J" sound. At least, I recognize her name, and it's
much better than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
Give it a try.

Jim H

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I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS.
I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
name is pronounced Zjawn.

Best from,

Carolyn

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I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks
about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of
any blue jean pants or skirts.

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Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that
name in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to
pronounce
it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
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HAMILTON
 

This is the part I did not know about. Where would this "French synth
option" be found?

Thanks.

Jim H

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Why not just add the word in question to the dictionary manager but with the
French synth option?

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Ted:

Well, that's the best I have heard so far. Both sound good; but, I might
prefer the first, "zhahn".

Mind you, my friend's name sounds more like a "soft j" Jan; so, let's see if
"zhan" does it -without the second "h".

Well what do you know! That's it exactly! I shall change my dictionary
accordingly.

Thank you.

Jim H

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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:03 PM
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Subject: RE: language question

I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's going
to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about Jean
Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue jean pants
or skirts.

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Streeter via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:54 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Sandra Streeter
Subject: language question

Hi, all:

Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in
"Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to pronounce it
as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!



Sandra
"To love another person is to se the face of God."
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Nermin
 

Hi all,

after experementing a bit, the closest I came up with was a variant using British Eloquence. The American won't work, since the r is pronounced, and thus useless. Here goes:
zhorn
Also, you can set up the dictionary in such a way that it uses the French synthesizer whenever it encounters the name Jean.

Regards,
Nermin