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Jim Portillo
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I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently. Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this but don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers. Any tips will be helpful. I've got my machine set and ready to go. Jim Sent from my iPhone 6! |
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Mark Furness
I did it all by myself.
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I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws. I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus found it frustrating. In short you can do it by yourself. Mark On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote: |
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Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
Mark and Joe,
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How did you know when to start Narrator? Did you launch it before starting the update? -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Mark Furness <flintman57@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 I did it all by myself. I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws. I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus found it frustrating. In short you can do it by yourself. Mark On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Robert Cole
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I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and stopped by pressing windows key and enter. after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator helped me finish the setup. At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and restarted it with windows+Enter. dont forget to make a backup before upgrading. On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
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Michal Nowicki <mnowicki4@...>
Joseph and Rob,
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Thank you for describing the accessibility of the upgrade process. I just completed it, and both JAWS and Windows 10 are working well. -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:40 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, I just want to remind you that Narrator on Windows 10 is started and stopped by pressing windows key and enter. after starting the upgrade, I believe the PC restarted twice, after that I waited about 20 minutes and pressed windows+Enter and Narrator helped me finish the setup. At one point, Narrator would not read the screen, so I quit and restarted it with windows+Enter. dont forget to make a backup before upgrading. On 8/6/2015 4:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote: Hi,topic. However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded to Windows 10 independently. Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both? I'm ready to install this butdon't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can do this with one or two screen readers. Any tips will be helpful. _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Jim Portillo
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen.
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Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
Well, it works but its not really a good idea to upgrade over an
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existing windows. Hope things won't go wrong later. A clean install is always better. Does anyone know if you are forced to use a Microsoft account, or can you stil sign in with a local account? On 07/08/2015, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:
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You can still sign in using a local account. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 12:42 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Well, it works but its not really a good idea to upgrade over an existing windows. Hope things won't go wrong later. A clean install is always better. Does anyone know if you are forced to use a Microsoft account, or can you stil sign in with a local account? On 07/08/2015, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote: I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong whenscreen.
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James Bentley
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I've been saving post in order to come up with a step by step to do list for preparing for and installing Windows 10. At what point do I need to sign in? And, who am I signing in with? Thanks, James -----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 2:57 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Joseph Lee Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, You can still sign in using a local account. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 12:42 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Well, it works but its not really a good idea to upgrade over an existing windows. Hope things won't go wrong later. A clean install is always better. Does anyone know if you are forced to use a Microsoft account, or can you stil sign in with a local account? On 07/08/2015, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote: I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong whenscreen.
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Aidan <aidan.smarttalk@...>
Great. I'm glad. I guess only difference now is that with a local
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account they cut down on features. Like kortana not available in local account. On 07/08/2015, Joseph Lee via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:
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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS?
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Mark and Joe, How did you know when to start Narrator? Did you launch it before starting the update? -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Mark Furness <flintman57@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 I did it all by myself. I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws. I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus found it frustrating. In short you can do it by yourself. Mark On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Robert Cole
Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter?
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On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote:
I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when trying to activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen. |
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Jim Portillo
No, it doesn't start or restart narrator.
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Sent from my iPhone 6! On Aug 7, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Rob via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote: |
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There is no command to restart Narrator. Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this list in this email: * Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or official build will do). * Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking. * Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in either a DVD or on a flash drive). * Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at least on my computer): 1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically. 2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it). 3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility). For resident geeks here: * In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done. * UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps using UIA. * Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps and for supporting Edge. If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found at www.accessibleworld.org. Cheers, Joseph P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask them also. -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter? On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote: I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong when tryingto activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen. <jfw@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Michael Mote
I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the
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Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1 computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to share my experience here. -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@...> Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, There is no command to restart Narrator. Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this list in this email: * Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or official build will do). * Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking. * Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in either a DVD or on a flash drive). * Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at least on my computer): 1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically. 2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it). 3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility). For resident geeks here: * In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done. * UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps using UIA. * Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps and for supporting Edge. If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found at www.accessibleworld.org. Cheers, Joseph P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask them also. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter? On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote: I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong whento activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen. <jfw@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Ah yes, thankns for this reminder (for those upgrading from 7, if Windows+ENTER isn't working, ress Windows+U, then launch Narrator). Cheers, Josoeph -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Michael Mote via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:37 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@...> Cc: Michael Mote <miketmote73@...> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1 computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to share my experience here. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@...> Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, There is no command to restart Narrator. Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this list in this email: * Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or official build will do). * Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking. * Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in either a DVD or on a flash drive). * Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at least on my computer): 1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically. 2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it). 3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility). For resident geeks here: * In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done. * UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps using UIA. * Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps and for supporting Edge. If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found at www.accessibleworld.org. Cheers, Joseph P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask them also. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter? On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote: I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong whento activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen. <jfw@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...>
I have a question about Win10 install. I have Win7 and can free upgrade.
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Did someone say a Win10 could be installed without using Win7 or 8? I would like to completely wipe out my hard drive then run a destroyer program to assure the only thing on the disc is binary zeros. Then a clean Win7 can be installed and a downloaded J16, new Outlook ect. Too many files on my hard drive are corrupt. Outlook will run but freezes and crashes and is sometimes extremely slow. Just want the best out of my machine. Clarity would be greatly appreciated. Andre -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Michael Mote via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:37 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michael Mote Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1 computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to share my experience here. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@...> Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, There is no command to restart Narrator. Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this list in this email: * Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or official build will do). * Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking. * Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in either a DVD or on a flash drive). * Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at least on my computer): 1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically. 2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it). 3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility). For resident geeks here: * In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done. * UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps using UIA. * Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps and for supporting Edge. If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found at www.accessibleworld.org. Cheers, Joseph P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask them also. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter? On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote: I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong whento activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen. <jfw@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Good to know it comes in something besides a raw download; a flash drive sounds like just the thing for a program that size. If I decide to get it, it would be the first time I've ever had a Windows disc, as previous versions have always been OEM.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:46 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Joseph Lee Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, There is no command to restart Narrator. Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this list in this email: * Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or official build will do). * Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking. * Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in either a DVD or on a flash drive). * Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at least on my computer): 1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically. 2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it). 3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility). For resident geeks here: * In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done. * UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps using UIA. * Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps and for supporting Edge. If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found at www.accessibleworld.org. Cheers, Joseph P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask them also. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter? On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote: I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong whento activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen. <jfw@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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You'll first want to upgrade to Windows 10, as then you'll be able to clean install. Various sources tell me that a new activation mechanisms are used - your computer hardware information will be used to generate a secure hash which will then be sent to Microsoft and will be kept for you, and once cleanly installed, Windows 10 will be activated without having to enter a product key. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Andre Jarreau via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:56 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@...> Cc: Andre Jarreau <andre.jarreau@...> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 I have a question about Win10 install. I have Win7 and can free upgrade. Did someone say a Win10 could be installed without using Win7 or 8? I would like to completely wipe out my hard drive then run a destroyer program to assure the only thing on the disc is binary zeros. Then a clean Win7 can be installed and a downloaded J16, new Outlook ect. Too many files on my hard drive are corrupt. Outlook will run but freezes and crashes and is sometimes extremely slow. Just want the best out of my machine. Clarity would be greatly appreciated. Andre -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Michael Mote via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:37 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michael Mote Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 I wanted to point out something regarding Narrator. I have tried using the Windows key plus Enter command to launch it on both my Windows 7 and 8.1 computers. It does not launch it on my Windows 7 machine, but it does on my Windows 8.1 machine. I'm bringing this up for the benefit of those who are upgrading from Windows 8.1 to version 10. Windows key plus enter may be an option for you. I don't mean to confuse the issue at all, but did want to share my experience here. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:46 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@...> Cc: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Hi, There is no command to restart Narrator. Speaking of installing Windows, I'll go through some FAQ's I got from this list in this email: * Compatible JFW release: Please use JAWS 16.0.4350 or later, or if you'd like to wait, please hold off until JAWS 17 comes out (public beta or official build will do). * Clean install versus in-place upgrade: You can perform an in-place upgrade all by yourself with a screen reader running. Your computer will restart several times, and after some restarts, you'll hear silence from your computer. Once this happens, press Windows+ENTER to launch Narrator, and if your sound card is detected, Microsoft David will come up talking. * Multiple clean install options: There are two ways of performing clean install: bootable media or from Media Creation Tool. If using Media Creation tool option, the steps are same as above, except none of your programs and settings will be kept. If doing bootable media installation, then you'll indeed need some sighted assistance for the first few prompts to choose your language, entering your product key (don't have to enter it), choosing a partition and others. Once your computer restarts several times, follow the steps above to finish installing using Narrator (Windows 10 will come in either a DVD or on a flash drive). * Some finds with JAWS 16.0.4350: My brief testing shows the following (at least on my computer): 1. In Start search box, JAWS does not announce search results automatically. 2. JAWS does not announce Action Center notifications, aa variation of Windows 8.x's toast notifications. They are toasts in disguise because you can press Windows+V to move to and interact with them, and press Windows+A to open Action Center. These are basic issues that should have been fixed in the first place, thus (in my opinion) disqualifying JAWS from being compatible with Windows 10 for now (I'm sure FS is working on it). 3. You can use TAB and Shift+TAB to move among links in Microsoft Edge (no virtual cursor, no forms mode, no support for MathML yet). There were tweets floating around which criticized FS for not supporting Edge yet, but that's expected (the biggest nightmare for screen reader vendors is whenever Microsoft comes out with a new version of Windows; Windows 8.x users tasted this, and it'll happen more frequently now that Microsoft will be updating Windows constantly to add new features which may break accessibility). For resident geeks here: * In order to let your app support Windows 10, you need to modify app manifest in your application, which is what JAWS 16.0.4350 could have done. * UIA (User Interface Automation) is more prominent now, with universal apps using UIA. * Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA objects, thus you need to know how UIA works (at least a high-level overview) when scripting for Windows 10 apps and for supporting Edge. If you'd like to hear Windows 10 in action, there are podcasts devoted to this (including mine). I talked about Windows 10 (although from another screen reader's perspective) on Tek Talk for August 3rd, which can be found at www.accessibleworld.org. Cheers, Joseph P.S. I believe we have some Windows Insiders who uses JAWS, so you can ask them also. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Rob via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:14 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Rob <mr.robertcole@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 Can you restart Narrator with windows+Enter? On 8/6/2015 9:04 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw wrote: I just tried it a while ago. Of course, something went wrong whento activate narrator. Looks like it installed, but it is either stuck or something. Now of course I have no idea what's going on on the screen. <jfw@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 6:53 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@...> Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS? Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10 Mark and Joe, How did you know when to start Narrator? Did you launch it before starting the update? -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via Jfw Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <jfw@...> Cc: Mark Furness <flintman57@...> Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10 I did it all by myself. I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws. I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus found it frustrating. In short you can do it by yourself. Mark On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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