Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing


Dave...
 

Changed the subject line for Paul.

Dave Carlson
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Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
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Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Londa Peterson
 

Thanks Dave,

I should've changed it. Actually you can use true first letter navigation in
the virtual ribbons. You still have to press enter when you find the item
you want, but you can press the first letter of that item until you find it.
If you remember a lot of the Word shortcuts, though, the regular ribbons are
better. I don't remember very many of them, so I use hot keys that I've
known forever. I also use a lot of the Office 2003 shortcuts which still
work. I also highly customize my quick access toolbar. There are certainly
pro's and con's no matter which way you go.

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Subject: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Changed the subject line for Paul.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 09:08 AM
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul


Jimmy Jones
 

Press insert+V, then type "r I" the virtual ribbon choice should pop up.
Press down arrow and press space bar to switch its status.

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Subject: RE: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Dave...
 

Paul
No, unless freedom scientific have change something, first letter navigation does not work with virtual ribbon menu.

Dave Carlson
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On May 13, 2015, at 11:42, Paul Martz via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Londa Peterson
 

Press insert + V to go into quick settings. Type "ribbon" in the search box.
Virtual ribbon menus will be the first thing you'll see. Press the spacebar
to toggle the setting. Press enter. You might have to press it twice. It's
not as good as a shortcut key, but it's better than using the start up
wizard.

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Subject: RE: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Londa Peterson
 

It does. I've done it. Note that I don't mean the underlined letters in
Word. I mean the actual first letter of the item you want. Also, you have to
press enter as the item won't activate automatically.

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Subject: Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Paul
No, unless freedom scientific have change something, first letter navigation
does not work with virtual ribbon menu.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature.

On May 13, 2015, at 11:42, Paul Martz via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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Dave...
 

Then I stand corrected. It's been so long since I used it, I had forgotten about the necessity of using the enter key after pressing the letter. Thanks for the update.

Dave Carlson
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On May 13, 2015, at 12:32, Londa Peterson via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

It does. I've done it. Note that I don't mean the underlined letters in
Word. I mean the actual first letter of the item you want. Also, you have to
press enter as the item won't activate automatically.

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Subject: Re: Virtual vs. Ribbon: was JAWS Shortcut for column sizing

Paul
No, unless freedom scientific have change something, first letter navigation
does not work with virtual ribbon menu.

Dave Carlson
Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature.

On May 13, 2015, at 11:42, Paul Martz via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

Hey guys, thanks for the discussion and info. It's good to know that first
letter navigation works with the virtual ribbon. I'll give that a try and
see if it weans me off the MS ribbon interface.

Which method works best probably depends on which one you learned first, or
have used most, over time. I think either one can be used efficiently. I
just wish there was an easy way to switch between them. I just used the new
v16 Search Command feature to look for a JAWS hot key to toggle virtual
ribbons on and off, and there is none as far as I can tell. The only way I
know to toggle it on and off is to use the Startup Wizard. This makes it
quite painful to toggle between interfaces. I imagine most users would want
to set this once and never change it, and I'm the only idiot who wants to
change it on the fly. Ha ha.
-Paul



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