Excel shortcut for autofit?


Tom Lange
 

Hi,
I dislike the so-called virtual ribbons for that very reason and encourage all of my students to avoid using virtual ribbons like the plague. All they do is isolate you from the interface that's intended by Microsoft, key tips and all. The virtual ribbons, in my view, were designed to satisfy the needs of those users who were resistant to switching from the old-style drop-down menus and submenus of Office 2003 and who had a knee-jerk reaction to an entirely new interface that, in my opinion, has worked quite well since Office 2007 was released and has, also in my opinion, stood the test of time.

Tom

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Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

JAWS training material is quite good; that's how I learned. I think it's the module on Office 2007 (I think that's where the ribbon first appeared).

Ted

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the other.
-Paul



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dreamy.eyes.ten@...
 

Hi.
May I please have the commands too?

Cheers



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On 13 May 2015, at 8:23 pm, Ann Byrne via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:

If you send me your email address, I will send you an inclusive list of Excel keytip commands.

At 12:09 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thanks for address, Ann, but, in case someone else had to figure it out like I did, it might come in handy for future users. I hit Alt 1, then went up as far as I could, hit Alt and up to Properties, then Control Tab to Details, then Tabbed to Return Path. There it got tricky, arrowed down and finally found it.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


of course, if I would send you my address, you could send me yours. (LOL) I am
annakb@sbcglobal.net
At 02:23 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
If you send me your email address, I will send you an inclusive list of Excel keytip commands.

At 12:09 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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From: "Paul Martz via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Ann Byrne
 

of course, if I would send you my address, you could send me yours. (LOL) I am
annakb@sbcglobal.net

At 02:23 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
If you send me your email address, I will send you an inclusive list of Excel keytip commands.

At 12:09 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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From: "Paul Martz via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Ann Byrne
 

If you send me your email address, I will send you an inclusive list of Excel keytip commands.

At 12:09 PM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Martz via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Sorry I misunderstood, thought you were talking about the ribbon in Office 10.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


I believe you are talking about the virtual ribbon. FS created that to be
used by those who had ribbonfolbia. Which is a fear of using the ribbon.
There was allot of that when the ribbon first came out. The virtual ribbon
creates a sort of XP menu style which is substituted for the ribbon itself.

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Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Keith, with Office 10, I have copied a list and have it in a pull-out drawer at hand. I was so familiar with so much in Office 2003, but when I got this ribbon deal, well, I just had to keep my notes at hand. Since I plan to get a brand new system at the end of the year, I haven't taken the instructions and worked on memorizing them. The ribbon deal doesn't make sense to me, I've just found out stuff I needed to do and made note of them.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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From: "Paul Martz via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Londa Peterson
 

I use the virtual ribbon, and I certainly don't have ribbonphobia. I know
how to use them, and I make sure my students do as well. I just find it
easier to get at some of the options that are buried deep in submenus easier
to find with the virtual ribbon. I also like the way the virtual ribbons put
the different groups on the ribbon into submenus. It just works better for
me. I switch interfaces at will.

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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:15 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jimmy Jones
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

I believe you are talking about the virtual ribbon. FS created that to be
used by those who had ribbonfolbia. Which is a fear of using the ribbon.
There was allot of that when the ribbon first came out. The virtual ribbon
creates a sort of XP menu style which is substituted for the ribbon itself.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Paul Martz via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Dave...
 

I believe that Freedom Scientific has an on-line training module on
navigating the ribbon.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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Cc: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." <kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't
seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking
for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Martz via Jfw" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
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Jimmy Jones
 

I believe you are talking about the virtual ribbon. FS created that to be
used by those who had ribbonfolbia. Which is a fear of using the ribbon.
There was allot of that when the ribbon first came out. The virtual ribbon
creates a sort of XP menu style which is substituted for the ribbon itself.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Paul Martz via
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:17 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Martz
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 

Dave and others,

Any advice on best way(s) to learn the ribbon? I've tried and just don't seem to get it. I often get lost and can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Once I learn a specific set of keystrokes for use within the ribbon, I'm OK.

Thanks for any help. Keith

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Dave...
 

Paul,

I believe you are correct. You cannot have both. I personally do not like
the Virtual menus, because they do not support first-letter navigation as do
standard menus. Therefore I stick to the ribbon and just learn how to use
it.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Cc: "Paul Martz" <skewmatrix@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 07:16 AM
Subject: RE: Excel shortcut for autofit?


Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul



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Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

The common case would be to select the whole column, with ctrl + spacebar.
You could also select the current data region with ctrl + shift + 8 (in
other words, control + asterisk), in which case multiple columns would be
made to fit their contents.

If you don't select anything, then the autofit command would set the column
width based on the contents of the current cell. That's probably not the
typical case, but at least it does something that makes sense. Ha ha.
-Paul

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Subject: Re: Excel shortcut for autofit?

Paul, does the column have to be selected before issuing the non JAWS
keystroke?


Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Thanks, everyone.

Now here's a slightly related question. MS has their own keyboard interface
for the ribbon UI, as in "Alt then H, O, I". But you can also turn on the
JAWS rinnon UI to make the ribbon feel more like a system of menus and
submenus. I can see how both might be useful, but they seem to be mutually
exclusive. When I turn on the JAWS ribbon UI, the MS ribbon keyboard
inbterface seems to stop working.

Does anyone know how to set up JAWS so that both the MS interface and the
JAWS interface to the ribbon UI are available? Then I could choose to use
one or the other interface, depending on which is most convenient, personal
preference, etc.

My guess is that this is simply not possible. I have to choose one or the
other.
-Paul


Mario
 

Thanks Marianne.

On 5/13/2015 9:30 AM, Marianne Denning via Jfw wrote:
You have to select all of the columns you want to auto fit. I usually
get everything entered, select all of the columns I have been working
in then use the command, alt h, o, i.

On 5/13/15, Mario via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Paul, does the column have to be selected before issuing the non JAWS
keystroke?


On 5/12/2015 9:29 PM, Marianne Denning via Jfw wrote:
I use the command you just gave on a regular basis. It really doesn't
take very long.

On 5/12/15, Paul Martz via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi all. I'm using current JAWS 16 and MS Office 2010.

In the ribbon UI, "Home" tab, "Cells" submenu, there is a "Format" drop
down
button, and on the drop down menu there is an option "AutoFit Column
Width",
which I'd think would be particularly useful to us blindies as most of
the
other options for changing the column width require at least some
vision.

The non-JAWS command to get to this is Alt followed by H, O, I.

Is there a more concise shortcut available for this command? Or should I
just add it to the Quick Access Toolbar?

Thanks,
-Paul



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Marianne Denning
 

You have to select all of the columns you want to auto fit. I usually
get everything entered, select all of the columns I have been working
in then use the command, alt h, o, i.

On 5/13/15, Mario via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Paul, does the column have to be selected before issuing the non JAWS
keystroke?


On 5/12/2015 9:29 PM, Marianne Denning via Jfw wrote:
I use the command you just gave on a regular basis. It really doesn't
take very long.

On 5/12/15, Paul Martz via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi all. I'm using current JAWS 16 and MS Office 2010.

In the ribbon UI, "Home" tab, "Cells" submenu, there is a "Format" drop
down
button, and on the drop down menu there is an option "AutoFit Column
Width",
which I'd think would be particularly useful to us blindies as most of
the
other options for changing the column width require at least some
vision.

The non-JAWS command to get to this is Alt followed by H, O, I.

Is there a more concise shortcut available for this command? Or should I
just add it to the Quick Access Toolbar?

Thanks,
-Paul



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Mario
 

Paul, does the column have to be selected before issuing the non JAWS keystroke?


On 5/12/2015 9:29 PM, Marianne Denning via Jfw wrote:
I use the command you just gave on a regular basis. It really doesn't
take very long.

On 5/12/15, Paul Martz via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi all. I'm using current JAWS 16 and MS Office 2010.

In the ribbon UI, "Home" tab, "Cells" submenu, there is a "Format" drop
down
button, and on the drop down menu there is an option "AutoFit Column
Width",
which I'd think would be particularly useful to us blindies as most of the
other options for changing the column width require at least some vision.

The non-JAWS command to get to this is Alt followed by H, O, I.

Is there a more concise shortcut available for this command? Or should I
just add it to the Quick Access Toolbar?

Thanks,
-Paul



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Marianne Denning
 

I use the command you just gave on a regular basis. It really doesn't
take very long.

On 5/12/15, Paul Martz via Jfw <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> wrote:
Hi all. I'm using current JAWS 16 and MS Office 2010.

In the ribbon UI, "Home" tab, "Cells" submenu, there is a "Format" drop
down
button, and on the drop down menu there is an option "AutoFit Column
Width",
which I'd think would be particularly useful to us blindies as most of the
other options for changing the column width require at least some vision.

The non-JAWS command to get to this is Alt followed by H, O, I.

Is there a more concise shortcut available for this command? Or should I
just add it to the Quick Access Toolbar?

Thanks,
-Paul



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Paul Martz <skewmatrix@...>
 

Hi all. I'm using current JAWS 16 and MS Office 2010.

In the ribbon UI, "Home" tab, "Cells" submenu, there is a "Format" drop down
button, and on the drop down menu there is an option "AutoFit Column Width",
which I'd think would be particularly useful to us blindies as most of the
other options for changing the column width require at least some vision.

The non-JAWS command to get to this is Alt followed by H, O, I.

Is there a more concise shortcut available for this command? Or should I
just add it to the Quick Access Toolbar?

Thanks,
-Paul