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Kevin Hourigan via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free please? So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Mario Brusco via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one that I
know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
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Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--a basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

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From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Anna Byrne via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is awful, but it was a good reader.

At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--a basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

That's how I got acquainted with it, 11 and 12 had real problems with Access and Excel. They may have updated it so the newer Microsoft voice(s) can be used.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Anna Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:26 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Screen Readers

Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one that
I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Mario Brusco via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I would
like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like Lequendo's Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Nicole Massey via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like Lequendo's
Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Gerald Levy via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013, not to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how Serotek can remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like Lequendo's
Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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NVDA is simply great.
They ask if you'd like to donate, but I do think they really deserve it!
Angela from Italy


Il 09/05/2014 16:02, Nicole Massey via Jfw ha scritto:
Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like Lequendo's
Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Nicole Massey via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute. This
move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and since
Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be scriptable in
Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and
legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen reader
company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013, not
to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how Serotek can
remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like Lequendo's
Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--
a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Is this based upon facts? RJ

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute. This
move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and since
Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be scriptable in
Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and
legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen reader
company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers
Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013, not
to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how Serotek can
remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers

Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like Lequendo's
Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--
a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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No matter how scrittable Narrator becomes, it will never be as functional or feature-rich as JAWS or Window Eyes. If any screen reader is in trouble, it may be JAWS, not Window Eyes. As long as FS continues to charge upwards of $1000 for JAWS and makes absolutely no concessions to make it more affordable like GW Micro has with Window Eyes, it is in more danger of going under than GW Micro.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute. This
move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and since
Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be scriptable in
Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and
legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen reader
company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013, not
to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how Serotek can
remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like Lequendo's
Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--
a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Cy Selfridge via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Morning all,
Narrator has supposedly been going to be a viable screen reader for some
time and it is getting better but it sure has a long, long way to go.
Also, I honestly think that Microblog will get into some serious trouble if
they try to eliminate competition from external sources.
Window-Eyes has merged with someone just recently, I believe it is the maker
of Zoom Text. This should also help /window-Eyes be a more viable product.
Freedom Scientific is certainly not the same bunch of "good old boys" that
Hinter Joyce was.
The future is going to be very interesting indeed.
I have been a JAWS user for the past 20 years and have seen some mighty big
blunders in their releases.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:38 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Is this based upon facts? RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute. This
move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and since
Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be scriptable in
Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and
legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen reader
company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013, not
to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how Serotek can
remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like Lequendo's
Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--
a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Cy Selfridge via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

I absolutely agree with you in this.
With government funding getting shorter and shorter FS may have problems
selling their wares to their largest client.
Cy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:49 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


No matter how scrittable Narrator becomes, it will never be as functional or
feature-rich as JAWS or Window Eyes. If any screen reader is in trouble, it
may be JAWS, not Window Eyes. As long as FS continues to charge upwards of
$1000 for JAWS and makes absolutely no concessions to make it more
affordable like GW Micro has with Window Eyes, it is in more danger of going
under than GW Micro.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute. This
move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and since
Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be scriptable in
Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and
legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen reader
company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013, not
to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how Serotek can
remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like Lequendo's
Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--
a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Hey, if they give us the pin-point control we have now, that'll be fine. However, if they all close tomorrow, thousands will owe a huge debt of gratitude to Ron Hutchinson, Ted Henter, Larry Skutchan, and many others for the doors they opened.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nicole Massey via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Screen Readers

Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute. This move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and since Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be scriptable in Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen reader company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013,
not to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how Serotek
can remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like
Lequendo's Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of
programs--
a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Mario Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Judith Bron via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

GW Micro is also making window eyes available in the maimn menu of Microsoft
products. Eventually, at this rate, all of us will be using window eyes.
Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Screen Readers

I absolutely agree with you in this.
With government funding getting shorter and shorter FS may have problems
selling their wares to their largest client.
Cy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:49 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


No matter how scrittable Narrator becomes, it will never be as functional or
feature-rich as JAWS or Window Eyes. If any screen reader is in trouble, it
may be JAWS, not Window Eyes. As long as FS continues to charge upwards of
$1000 for JAWS and makes absolutely no concessions to make it more
affordable like GW Micro has with Window Eyes, it is in more danger of going
under than GW Micro.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute.
This move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and
since Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be
scriptable in Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and
legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen
reader company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013,
not to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how
Serotek can remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Mario Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like
Lequendo's Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of
programs--
a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Mario Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only
one that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for
free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Just a heads up, I've been asked to try and use the jaws set AP within
window-eyes. A lot of clients that can't afford to keep up with their plans
to upgrade Jaws is getting their systems preloaded with Window-Eyes and
word. This is included with their new system.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:08 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Screen Readers

GW Micro is also making window eyes available in the maimn menu of Microsoft
products. Eventually, at this rate, all of us will be using window eyes.
Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Screen Readers

I absolutely agree with you in this.
With government funding getting shorter and shorter FS may have problems
selling their wares to their largest client.
Cy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:49 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


No matter how scrittable Narrator becomes, it will never be as functional or
feature-rich as JAWS or Window Eyes. If any screen reader is in trouble, it
may be JAWS, not Window Eyes. As long as FS continues to charge upwards of
$1000 for JAWS and makes absolutely no concessions to make it more
affordable like GW Micro has with Window Eyes, it is in more danger of going
under than GW Micro.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute.
This move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and
since Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be
scriptable in Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and
legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen
reader company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013,
not to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how
Serotek can remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Mario Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like
Lequendo's Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of
programs--
a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Mario Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only
one that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for
free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Kimber Gardner via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Just as a point of information with no judgment intended, I recently
purchased Office 2013 and thought I'd take advantage of the free
Window Eyes offer to take it for a test drive. Aside from the fact I
found the command structure rather confusing, window eyes consistently
crashed my laptop. This happened so often I decided to take it off my
system and won't be returning to it any time soon.

Your milage, as they say, may vary. But I'm curious to know if this
happened because the two screen readers were vying for the eloquence
synthesizer? Or is there some other inherent conflict between JFW and
WE?

I have since chosen to use NVDA as my backup screen reader for when
Jaws takes a dive.

Thoughts?

Kimber

On 5/9/14, James Malone via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:
Just a heads up, I've been asked to try and use the jaws set AP within
window-eyes. A lot of clients that can't afford to keep up with their plans
to upgrade Jaws is getting their systems preloaded with Window-Eyes and
word. This is included with their new system.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:08 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Screen Readers

GW Micro is also making window eyes available in the maimn menu of
Microsoft
products. Eventually, at this rate, all of us will be using window eyes.
Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Screen Readers

I absolutely agree with you in this.
With government funding getting shorter and shorter FS may have problems
selling their wares to their largest client.
Cy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:49 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


No matter how scrittable Narrator becomes, it will never be as functional
or
feature-rich as JAWS or Window Eyes. If any screen reader is in trouble,
it
may be JAWS, not Window Eyes. As long as FS continues to charge upwards of
$1000 for JAWS and makes absolutely no concessions to make it more
affordable like GW Micro has with Window Eyes, it is in more danger of
going
under than GW Micro.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute.
This move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and
since Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be
scriptable in Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and
legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen
reader company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013,
not to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how
Serotek can remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Mario Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like
Lequendo's Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of
programs--
a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Mario Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only
one that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for
free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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Londa Peterson via Jfw <jfw@...>
 

Hi Kimber,

I haven't tried the free Window-eyes offer yet, but I'm reading mixed
reviews on the various lists I'm on. Some people really love it, but others
are having major issues. I guess that's why I haven't tried it yet. In other
words, I don't think you're alone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 1:55 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Just as a point of information with no judgment intended, I recently
purchased Office 2013 and thought I'd take advantage of the free
Window Eyes offer to take it for a test drive. Aside from the fact I
found the command structure rather confusing, window eyes consistently
crashed my laptop. This happened so often I decided to take it off my
system and won't be returning to it any time soon.

Your milage, as they say, may vary. But I'm curious to know if this
happened because the two screen readers were vying for the eloquence
synthesizer? Or is there some other inherent conflict between JFW and
WE?

I have since chosen to use NVDA as my backup screen reader for when
Jaws takes a dive.

Thoughts?

Kimber

On 5/9/14, James Malone via Jfw <jfw@...> wrote:
Just a heads up, I've been asked to try and use the jaws set AP within
window-eyes. A lot of clients that can't afford to keep up with their
plans
to upgrade Jaws is getting their systems preloaded with Window-Eyes and
word. This is included with their new system.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Judith Bron
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:08 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Screen Readers

GW Micro is also making window eyes available in the maimn menu of
Microsoft
products. Eventually, at this rate, all of us will be using window eyes.
Judith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:57 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Screen Readers

I absolutely agree with you in this.
With government funding getting shorter and shorter FS may have problems
selling their wares to their largest client.
Cy


-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:49 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


No matter how scrittable Narrator becomes, it will never be as functional
or
feature-rich as JAWS or Window Eyes. If any screen reader is in trouble,
it
may be JAWS, not Window Eyes. As long as FS continues to charge upwards
of
$1000 for JAWS and makes absolutely no concessions to make it more
affordable like GW Micro has with Window Eyes, it is in more danger of
going
under than GW Micro.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute.
This move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and
since Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be
scriptable in Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and
legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen
reader company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013,
not to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how
Serotek can remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Mario Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like
Lequendo's Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of
programs--
a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of
Mario Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only
one that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for
free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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That would be my question also.

Allen in Iowa

"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids,
we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and
listening to repetitive electronic music."

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 9:38 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Is this based upon facts? RJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute. This
move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and since
Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be scriptable in
Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts and
legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen reader
company.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers


Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, and
Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013, not
to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how Serotek can
remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.

Gerald


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Is System Access still free and in production?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Screen Readers

there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like Lequendo's
Allison.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <jfw@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Screen Readers


Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice is
awful, but it was a good reader.
At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--
a
basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mario
Brusco via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
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Subject: Re: Screen Readers

Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.

----- Original Message -----
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Screen Readers


Hello Listers,
Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free
please?
So I can compare them to Jaws.
Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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