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dan Kerstetter <dhk55@...>
Hello all.
I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> |
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Dave...
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My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature.
On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote:
Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon.
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From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
And some of the better training I've seen comes from our own li'l ole HJ. I think it came out with JAWS 10.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Jean <jemenzies@...>
Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain?
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From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Mario
virtual ribbons is a JAWS method to allow a user to use menu style commands
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rather than the ribbons in newer Windows programs. hth
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From: "Jean" <jemenzies@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: December 18, 2013 6:56 PM Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
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It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan.
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From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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Dave...
The virtual ribbon, which is part of JAWS and not Microsoft, attempts to
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emulate the old familiar menus we used before the ribbons came out. Problem I have with them is that first-letter navigation no longer works. Given that the ribbons are here to stay, it's better for me to just learn how to work with them and move on. Dave Carlson San Francisco Bay Area semi-retired sales engineer, Farfar, musician, and woodworker. dgcarlson@...
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From: "Kevin Hourigan" <kevinthourigan@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:33 PM Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Hello Jean, It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Adrian Spratt
To elaborate on one of your points, Kevin, the shortcuts familiar to long-time users of Word, such as Jean, still work in MS applications that have migrated to the ribbon.
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I rarely need to use the ribbon. Often when I do, there is a quick way of getting where I need by pressing letters (usually first letters) assigned to various functions. When that fails, it is much simpler than I'd expected to move around the ribbon with the tab and arrow keys. Really, the ribbon is just a much more elaborate version of the file menus we all came to appreciate. As Dave Carlson says in another post, FS's virtual ribbon does not permit first-letter navigation, although another lister has posted that the old shortcuts (control-f for font, control-p for printer, etc.) still work there. For me, the main objection to the virtual ribbon, although I commend FS for attempting to improve the accessibility of MS's ribbon that many of us thought would be daunting, is that it bears little or no resemblance to how the rest of the world manages MS Office applications. Sighted colleagues and friends have solved many of my ribbon problems, which they could do only because I am using the same system. In addition, when working side by side with sighted computer users, it is essential that we be sharing the same screen. Ironically, early versions of JAWS made this sharing difficult, and one of FS's accomplishments over the years has been to make what we experience practically the same as what sighted people see on the screen. For all these reasons, I would discourage use of the virtual ribbon.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:33 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Hello Jean, It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Dave...
Adrian,
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Well put. You are more eloquent than me. Dave Carlson San Francisco Bay Area semi-retired sales engineer, Farfar, musician, and woodworker. dgcarlson@...
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From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: RE: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons To elaborate on one of your points, Kevin, the shortcuts familiar to long-time users of Word, such as Jean, still work in MS applications that have migrated to the ribbon. I rarely need to use the ribbon. Often when I do, there is a quick way of getting where I need by pressing letters (usually first letters) assigned to various functions. When that fails, it is much simpler than I'd expected to move around the ribbon with the tab and arrow keys. Really, the ribbon is just a much more elaborate version of the file menus we all came to appreciate. As Dave Carlson says in another post, FS's virtual ribbon does not permit first-letter navigation, although another lister has posted that the old shortcuts (control-f for font, control-p for printer, etc.) still work there. For me, the main objection to the virtual ribbon, although I commend FS for attempting to improve the accessibility of MS's ribbon that many of us thought would be daunting, is that it bears little or no resemblance to how the rest of the world manages MS Office applications. Sighted colleagues and friends have solved many of my ribbon problems, which they could do only because I am using the same system. In addition, when working side by side with sighted computer users, it is essential that we be sharing the same screen. Ironically, early versions of JAWS made this sharing difficult, and one of FS's accomplishments over the years has been to make what we experience practically the same as what sighted people see on the screen. For all these reasons, I would discourage use of the virtual ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:33 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Hello Jean, It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
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For a new comer to Jaws your comments are enlightening, thank you. Kevin Hourigan.
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From: Adrian Spratt Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:19 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: RE: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons To elaborate on one of your points, Kevin, the shortcuts familiar to long-time users of Word, such as Jean, still work in MS applications that have migrated to the ribbon. I rarely need to use the ribbon. Often when I do, there is a quick way of getting where I need by pressing letters (usually first letters) assigned to various functions. When that fails, it is much simpler than I'd expected to move around the ribbon with the tab and arrow keys. Really, the ribbon is just a much more elaborate version of the file menus we all came to appreciate. As Dave Carlson says in another post, FS's virtual ribbon does not permit first-letter navigation, although another lister has posted that the old shortcuts (control-f for font, control-p for printer, etc.) still work there. For me, the main objection to the virtual ribbon, although I commend FS for attempting to improve the accessibility of MS's ribbon that many of us thought would be daunting, is that it bears little or no resemblance to how the rest of the world manages MS Office applications. Sighted colleagues and friends have solved many of my ribbon problems, which they could do only because I am using the same system. In addition, when working side by side with sighted computer users, it is essential that we be sharing the same screen. Ironically, early versions of JAWS made this sharing difficult, and one of FS's accomplishments over the years has been to make what we experience practically the same as what sighted people see on the screen. For all these reasons, I would discourage use of the virtual ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:33 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Hello Jean, It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Thanks, Kevin. That didn't dawn on me. I should've figured that out. But I do appreciate your explanation. I'm going to take the challenge and turn off Virtual Ribbons. And that explains why hot keys never have worked for me. I now know that they only work with the Ribbon, not with the Virtual Ribbon. Thanks much.
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From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:33 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Hello Jean, It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
The documentation doesn't tell you this, but virtual ribbon can be varied by application, just in case you ever find it useful.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Jean Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:19 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Thanks, Kevin. That didn't dawn on me. I should've figured that out. But I do appreciate your explanation. I'm going to take the challenge and turn off Virtual Ribbons. And that explains why hot keys never have worked for me. I now know that they only work with the Ribbon, not with the Virtual Ribbon. Thanks much. Jean -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:33 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Hello Jean, It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131218/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
How do you vary the Virtual Ribbon setting by application, since it must be set to on or off in the default configuration?
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From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:54 AM Subject: RE: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons The documentation doesn't tell you this, but virtual ribbon can be varied by application, just in case you ever find it useful. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 9193 (20131219) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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Tony Schnurr
Hit insert plus v while in the application where you want to make the change. Look for the virtual ribbons setting and check it or uncheck it as you would like.
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I see your point; however, if I'm typing a document and need to make time,
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I'll take whatever shortcuts I can get. This I learned from working 25 years in word processing and being under a deadline. Just my two cents worth. Dan
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave "Farfar" Carlson Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:48 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons The virtual ribbon, which is part of JAWS and not Microsoft, attempts to emulate the old familiar menus we used before the ribbons came out. Problem I have with them is that first-letter navigation no longer works. Given that the ribbons are here to stay, it's better for me to just learn how to work with them and move on. Dave Carlson San Francisco Bay Area semi-retired sales engineer, Farfar, musician, and woodworker. dgcarlson@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Hourigan" <kevinthourigan@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:33 PM Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Hello Jean, It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201312 18/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Ah, but there's the rub; does virtual ribbon save time, or waste it? Guess it depends on the user.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of dan Kerstetter Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:47 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons I see your point; however, if I'm typing a document and need to make time, I'll take whatever shortcuts I can get. This I learned from working 25 years in word processing and being under a deadline. Just my two cents worth. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave "Farfar" Carlson Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:48 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons The virtual ribbon, which is part of JAWS and not Microsoft, attempts to emulate the old familiar menus we used before the ribbons came out. Problem I have with them is that first-letter navigation no longer works. Given that the ribbons are here to stay, it's better for me to just learn how to work with them and move on. Dave Carlson San Francisco Bay Area semi-retired sales engineer, Farfar, musician, and woodworker. dgcarlson@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Hourigan" <kevinthourigan@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:33 PM Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Hello Jean, It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201312 18/b13e1373/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Although the ribbons (actual ribbons) are different, in some ways
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they can be a little easier. For instance, the Quick Access Toolbar lets you put frequently used commands that are otherwise awkward on the QAT. So, for instance, to insert an automatic cross-reference, I can hit Alt plus 1. To go to the next revision in a track change document, I just hit Alt plus 3. For the others, with a little memorization, the ribbon methodology actually has some logic. So, to switch displays from "Final" to "Final showing mark-up" (just to pick a couple of examples, I just hit Alt and then R,T, D. To accept all changes in a document, it is Alt and then R,A, D. To insert a file in Outlook 2010, it is Alt and then N (for insert) and then A, F (for insert a file). So, the ribbons are not all just sighted trip trap. There is an obscure logic to them, though the logic is a little easier (in most instances) to see in Word than in Outlook. Remember to use the QAT for those often-used, but awkward, key sequences. Once you have navigated to it, just hit the applications key and select, from the resulting menu, "Assign to the QAT." .
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave "Farfar" Carlson Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:28 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Adrian, Well put. You are more eloquent than me. Dave Carlson San Francisco Bay Area semi-retired sales engineer, Farfar, musician, and woodworker. dgcarlson@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: RE: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons To elaborate on one of your points, Kevin, the shortcuts familiar to long-time users of Word, such as Jean, still work in MS applications that have migrated to the ribbon. I rarely need to use the ribbon. Often when I do, there is a quick way of getting where I need by pressing letters (usually first letters) assigned to various functions. When that fails, it is much simpler than I'd expected to move around the ribbon with the tab and arrow keys. Really, the ribbon is just a much more elaborate version of the file menus we all came to appreciate. As Dave Carlson says in another post, FS's virtual ribbon does not permit first-letter navigation, although another lister has posted that the old shortcuts (control-f for font, control-p for printer, etc.) still work there. For me, the main objection to the virtual ribbon, although I commend FS for attempting to improve the accessibility of MS's ribbon that many of us thought would be daunting, is that it bears little or no resemblance to how the rest of the world manages MS Office applications. Sighted colleagues and friends have solved many of my ribbon problems, which they could do only because I am using the same system. In addition, when working side by side with sighted computer users, it is essential that we be sharing the same screen. Ironically, early versions of JAWS made this sharing difficult, and one of FS's accomplishments over the years has been to make what we experience practically the same as what sighted people see on the screen. For all these reasons, I would discourage use of the virtual ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:33 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Hello Jean, It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How do you learn all the shortcuts to use?
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ed Marquette Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:55 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Although the ribbons (actual ribbons) are different, in some ways they can be a little easier. For instance, the Quick Access Toolbar lets you put frequently used commands that are otherwise awkward on the QAT. So, for instance, to insert an automatic cross-reference, I can hit Alt plus 1. To go to the next revision in a track change document, I just hit Alt plus 3. For the others, with a little memorization, the ribbon methodology actually has some logic. So, to switch displays from "Final" to "Final showing mark-up" (just to pick a couple of examples, I just hit Alt and then R,T, D. To accept all changes in a document, it is Alt and then R,A, D. To insert a file in Outlook 2010, it is Alt and then N (for insert) and then A, F (for insert a file). So, the ribbons are not all just sighted trip trap. There is an obscure logic to them, though the logic is a little easier (in most instances) to see in Word than in Outlook. Remember to use the QAT for those often-used, but awkward, key sequences. Once you have navigated to it, just hit the applications key and select, from the resulting menu, "Assign to the QAT." . -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave "Farfar" Carlson Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:28 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Adrian, Well put. You are more eloquent than me. Dave Carlson San Francisco Bay Area semi-retired sales engineer, Farfar, musician, and woodworker. dgcarlson@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: RE: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons To elaborate on one of your points, Kevin, the shortcuts familiar to long-time users of Word, such as Jean, still work in MS applications that have migrated to the ribbon. I rarely need to use the ribbon. Often when I do, there is a quick way of getting where I need by pressing letters (usually first letters) assigned to various functions. When that fails, it is much simpler than I'd expected to move around the ribbon with the tab and arrow keys. Really, the ribbon is just a much more elaborate version of the file menus we all came to appreciate. As Dave Carlson says in another post, FS's virtual ribbon does not permit first-letter navigation, although another lister has posted that the old shortcuts (control-f for font, control-p for printer, etc.) still work there. For me, the main objection to the virtual ribbon, although I commend FS for attempting to improve the accessibility of MS's ribbon that many of us thought would be daunting, is that it bears little or no resemblance to how the rest of the world manages MS Office applications. Sighted colleagues and friends have solved many of my ribbon problems, which they could do only because I am using the same system. In addition, when working side by side with sighted computer users, it is essential that we be sharing the same screen. Ironically, early versions of JAWS made this sharing difficult, and one of FS's accomplishments over the years has been to make what we experience practically the same as what sighted people see on the screen. For all these reasons, I would discourage use of the virtual ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:33 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Hello Jean, It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suggest you Google keyboard shortcuts for the version of Word you use.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:45 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons How do you learn all the shortcuts to use? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ed Marquette Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:55 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Although the ribbons (actual ribbons) are different, in some ways they can be a little easier. For instance, the Quick Access Toolbar lets you put frequently used commands that are otherwise awkward on the QAT. So, for instance, to insert an automatic cross-reference, I can hit Alt plus 1. To go to the next revision in a track change document, I just hit Alt plus 3. For the others, with a little memorization, the ribbon methodology actually has some logic. So, to switch displays from "Final" to "Final showing mark-up" (just to pick a couple of examples, I just hit Alt and then R,T, D. To accept all changes in a document, it is Alt and then R,A, D. To insert a file in Outlook 2010, it is Alt and then N (for insert) and then A, F (for insert a file). So, the ribbons are not all just sighted trip trap. There is an obscure logic to them, though the logic is a little easier (in most instances) to see in Word than in Outlook. Remember to use the QAT for those often-used, but awkward, key sequences. Once you have navigated to it, just hit the applications key and select, from the resulting menu, "Assign to the QAT." . -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave "Farfar" Carlson Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:28 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Adrian, Well put. You are more eloquent than me. Dave Carlson San Francisco Bay Area semi-retired sales engineer, Farfar, musician, and woodworker. dgcarlson@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: RE: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons To elaborate on one of your points, Kevin, the shortcuts familiar to long-time users of Word, such as Jean, still work in MS applications that have migrated to the ribbon. I rarely need to use the ribbon. Often when I do, there is a quick way of getting where I need by pressing letters (usually first letters) assigned to various functions. When that fails, it is much simpler than I'd expected to move around the ribbon with the tab and arrow keys. Really, the ribbon is just a much more elaborate version of the file menus we all came to appreciate. As Dave Carlson says in another post, FS's virtual ribbon does not permit first-letter navigation, although another lister has posted that the old shortcuts (control-f for font, control-p for printer, etc.) still work there. For me, the main objection to the virtual ribbon, although I commend FS for attempting to improve the accessibility of MS's ribbon that many of us thought would be daunting, is that it bears little or no resemblance to how the rest of the world manages MS Office applications. Sighted colleagues and friends have solved many of my ribbon problems, which they could do only because I am using the same system. In addition, when working side by side with sighted computer users, it is essential that we be sharing the same screen. Ironically, early versions of JAWS made this sharing difficult, and one of FS's accomplishments over the years has been to make what we experience practically the same as what sighted people see on the screen. For all these reasons, I would discourage use of the virtual ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:33 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Hello Jean, It is not a dumb question 12 months ago I had no idea either, and perhaps I still don't, lol. When using the virtual ribbon one arrows around through the various menus to find the item one wants to click on, the advantage being one is able to see what is available. For example if you want to change a font, you press alt h to go to the home menu, and tab down to font using virtual ribbons. Using the ribbon to find font ,however, just press control shift f, . In the ribbon one has the use of quick keys, so once you learn the combination of keys required for a particular task it is much quicker to click on. The ribbon may take a little more effort to begin with, but I found it to be worth it, but that is only my opinion. Cheers Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Jean Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:56 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Rather a dumb question, but I don't understand the difference between the virtual ribbon and the ribbon. Can you please explain? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Hourigan Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Ditto to Dave's reccomendation, you will be glad in the long run,using the ribbon. -----Original Message----- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:43 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS 15 and Virtual Ribbons Dan, My recommendation is to forget all about the virtual ribbon, and become proficient with the ribbon. In the long run it will be beneficial. That is what I have found. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:52, "dan Kerstetter" <dhk55@...> wrote: Hello all. I'm having trouble getting the virtual ribbon to work in Outlook 2007 with JAWS 15. I had trouble getting it to work in word. I had to play around with collapsing and expanding the ribbon a few times; however, the same strategy isn't working for outlook. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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