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Allison Nastoff
Hello everyone,
I have been using JAWS with windows XP for 5 years and have had very few issues. But since support for windows xp is ending soon and I am going back to school, I am looking to buy a Windows 7 laptop. But all of the resources I have read on freedomscientific.com and other sites are kind of vague about the system requirements needed for JAWS, especially with regard to processor speed. I am not a tech expert, so all of the jargon overwhelms me. Five years ago, I worked with DVR who purchased my laptop through a vendor, but this time since I have some money from a temp job, I thought it would be fun to pick out my own laptop. Little did I know how overwhelming this would be. So I am wondering if anyone who uses a windows 7 laptop and is happy with it could give me specific recommendations on exactly which brands (Dell, Lenovo HP etc) you have found to be the most blind-friendly in your opinion, and exactly what specifications you have found to work best. Thank you so much in advance for any input you can offer. Allison Nastoff |
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Hello,
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First, it'll depend on tasks you'll be doing with your laptop. But the most important thing is not just brands, but the components does matter. I'd recommend the following configurations: * Brand: Asus, HP, Toshiba, Samsung. * Processor: Intel Core I3 or I5 or AMD equivalent. * RAM: At least 8 GB. * Hard disk size: At least 750 GB or 128 GB SSD. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Allison Nastoff Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:09 PM To: jfw@... Subject: Laptop purchasing advice Hello everyone, I have been using JAWS with windows XP for 5 years and have had very few issues. But since support for windows xp is ending soon and I am going back to school, I am looking to buy a Windows 7 laptop. But all of the resources I have read on freedomscientific.com and other sites are kind of vague about the system requirements needed for JAWS, especially with regard to processor speed. I am not a tech expert, so all of the jargon overwhelms me. Five years ago, I worked with DVR who purchased my laptop through a vendor, but this time since I have some money from a temp job, I thought it would be fun to pick out my own laptop. Little did I know how overwhelming this would be. So I am wondering if anyone who uses a windows 7 laptop and is happy with it could give me specific recommendations on exactly which brands (Dell, Lenovo HP etc) you have found to be the most blind-friendly in your opinion, and exactly what specifications you have found to work best. Thank you so much in advance for any input you can offer. Allison Nastoff _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Deddajay <deddajay@...>
Having just set up laptops for 2 friends, we went to a business supplier rather than somewhere selling consumer laptops.
This had the advantage of being able to get rock solid laptop without all the consumer crap usually installed by the manufacturer. In our case we went for Dell business machines which originally came with Windows 8, but because they have a licence to revert to Windows 7, it was easy to migrate over to this. In fact the supplier did this for us. We were then left with a plain, vanilla version of Windows 7 Home so that we could install the software of our choice without having to go through the hassle of uninstalling all the trial software that usually comes with a consumer machine. As it is getting increasingly difficult to buy a new machine with Windows 7 on it these day, a business supplier may be your answer. The main thing to consider is as much ram as you can afford, a minimum of 4gig, preferably 6 or 8. Processor speed is not that important unless you want a lot of intensive applications running at the same time. The Dell Inspiron laptops are solidly built, with good, well spaced keyboards with number pads and accessible usb ports. The only downside is that there is no application key, but shift F10 will do the same thing. Hope this might help. Cheers Deddajay On 13/12/2013 06:08, Allison Nastoff wrote: Hello everyone, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131213/e8c03fd7/attachment.html> |
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Feliciano G
I am very happy with Dell laptops. I currently own a delve Austro 3560. It is Windows 7 64-bit and has the thumb them identification. The laptop feels solid keys are great and everything else. You can always upgrade RAM so that is not really something to worry about. These modern laptops are solidly built as far as hardware now a days A important thing to look at is whether you want a number pad or not. My laptop does not have a number pad and I love it. If you have any questions. You can email me off the list.
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Sent from the Super-iPhone On Dec 13, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Deddajay <deddajay@...> wrote: |
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Michael Boyd <mikeboyd61@...>
Hello,
I would agree with Joseph, but I also would through Lenovo in as a great laptop. But, stay away from Acer, which also makes Gateway. I have had experience with both of these in my previous job, and we always had trouble with both brands. Good luck in your search. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:16 PM To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Subject: RE: Laptop purchasing advice Hello, |
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Ed Marquette <marquette.ed@...>
Agree that Lenovo should be thrown into the mix. Have had
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problems with HP, but anyone can get one lemon. The keyboard configuration is the most important component. It is ideal if it can be configured so you have an active capslock, insert, and applications key. Two Windows keys would be nice. If you don't end up with an applications key, check out the function key configuration. Make sure you can easily locate the F-10 key. -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Michael Boyd Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 1:58 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: Re: Laptop purchasing advice Hello, I would agree with Joseph, but I also would through Lenovo in as a great laptop. But, stay away from Acer, which also makes Gateway. I have had experience with both of these in my previous job, and we always had trouble with both brands. Good luck in your search. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:16 PM To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Subject: RE: Laptop purchasing advice Hello,But the most important thing is not just brands, but the components does matter.Allison Nastoffvery few issues. But since support for windows xp is ending soon andI am going back to school, I am looking to buy a Windows 7 laptop.But all of the resources I have read on freedomscientific.com and othersites are kind of vague about the system requirements needed for JAWS, especially with regard to processor speed. I am not a techexpert, so all of the jargon overwhelms me. Five years ago, I worked withDVR who purchased my laptop through a vendor, but this time since I havesome money from a temp job, I thought it would be fun to pick out myown laptop. Little did I know how overwhelming this would be.happy with it could give me specific recommendations on exactly whichbrands (Dell, Lenovo HP etc) you have found to be the mostblind-friendly in your opinion, and exactly what specifications you have found towork best._______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Peter Tighe
Allison,
I think you are getting some very good advice on this thread! I would add the following ideas. 1. I lean toward Lenovo 2. 8 gigs of ram would be best but checking on Amazon quickly, I don't find too many laptops with that much ram. 6 gigs might be acceptable, but 4 gigs of ram is definitely not enough. 3. Processor speed and type, I think is very important. I think you should get an I5 rather than an I3. 4. Mor important, I think the processor speed should be no less than 2.5 GHZ It seems to me that each new version of Jaws, Kurzweil, Openbook and Microsoft office is more resource intensive. That's why you need a good fast processor speed. While you ar making a new investment, you may as well get enough horse power to pull the heavy load! Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Allison Nastoff" <anastoff@...> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 12:08 AM To: <jfw@...> Subject: Laptop purchasing advice Hello everyone, |
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Charles Coe
While there are many suggestions the one thing that is important in the
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decision making process is cost and whether or not it fits in to the person's computer system budget. Additionally what the computer is going to be used for and how long one intends to keep the computer before updating to a new one is also important. Charles -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Peter Tighe Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 8:21 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Laptop purchasing advice Allison, I think you are getting some very good advice on this thread! I would add the following ideas. 1. I lean toward Lenovo 2. 8 gigs of ram would be best but checking on Amazon quickly, I don't find too many laptops with that much ram. 6 gigs might be acceptable, but 4 gigs of ram is definitely not enough. 3. Processor speed and type, I think is very important. I think you should get an I5 rather than an I3. 4. Mor important, I think the processor speed should be no less than 2.5 GHZ It seems to me that each new version of Jaws, Kurzweil, Openbook and Microsoft office is more resource intensive. That's why you need a good fast processor speed. While you ar making a new investment, you may as well get enough horse power to pull the heavy load! Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Allison Nastoff" <anastoff@...> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 12:08 AM To: <jfw@...> Subject: Laptop purchasing advice Hello everyone, _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
Hello Michael,
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I have an Acer, could you please identify some of the issues you had with yours to assist me in identifying the cause of some issues I have with mine? Thank you, Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Boyd Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 11:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: Re: Laptop purchasing advice Hello, I would agree with Joseph, but I also would through Lenovo in as a great laptop. But, stay away from Acer, which also makes Gateway. I have had experience with both of these in my previous job, and we always had trouble with both brands. Good luck in your search. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:16 PM To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Subject: RE: Laptop purchasing advice Hello,_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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Sharon
I do have an Acer netbook running XP and Jaws 12 and 15, but it sure isn't
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very powerful. But it will run the Focus 40 Blue which is all I really want it to do. Sharon -----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:28 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Laptop purchasing advice Hello Michael, I have an Acer, could you please identify some of the issues you had with yours to assist me in identifying the cause of some issues I have with mine? Thank you, Kevin Hourigan. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Boyd Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 11:57 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: Re: Laptop purchasing advice Hello, I would agree with Joseph, but I also would through Lenovo in as a great laptop. But, stay away from Acer, which also makes Gateway. I have had experience with both of these in my previous job, and we always had trouble with both brands. Good luck in your search. Mike -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:16 PM To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...> Subject: RE: Laptop purchasing advice Hello,_______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com |
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Amir <mrdin8877@...>
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i'm using lenovo here but unfortunately i dont have insert key, yes, you're right, insert key. need to press fn+page down, for insert, and fn+page up for scroll lock and something like that! So it's very difficult for me, using lenovo g485. so be careful when choosing! just sharing my experience. On 15/12/2013 0:20, Peter Tighe wrote:
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Feliciano G
Wow that sucks that you do not have a insert key. I was going to say why don't you use your caps lock key. But then I was like wait she or he probably doesn't use a screen reader like dojaws LOL
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Sent from the Super-iPhone On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:54 PM, Amir <mrdin8877@...> wrote: |
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Petro T. Giannakopoulos <petrogia@...>
Just wanted to know about this. If a user buys a USB Numeric Keypad would it work for the user? This would eliminate having to assign keys on the laptop with no insert key? I have seen seen some USB Numeric keypads with extra keys which a user could assign say the application key if needed. Also in JAWS setup wizzard he can change the layout from laptop to desktop if a USB Numeric Keypad is used.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Amir To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Laptop purchasing advice Hi, i'm using lenovo here but unfortunately i dont have insert key, yes, you're right, insert key. need to press fn+page down, for insert, and fn+page up for scroll lock and something like that! So it's very difficult for me, using lenovo g485. so be careful when choosing! just sharing my experience. On 15/12/2013 0:20, Peter Tighe wrote: > Allison, > > I think you are getting some very good advice on this thread! > > I would add the following ideas. > 1. I lean toward Lenovo > > 2. 8 gigs of ram would be best but checking on Amazon quickly, I don't > find too many laptops with that much ram. > > > 6 gigs might be acceptable, but 4 gigs of ram is definitely not enough. > > 3. > > Processor speed and type, I think is very important. > I think you should get an I5 rather than an I3. > 4. > > Mor important, I think the processor speed should be no less than 2.5 GHZ > > It seems to me that each new version of Jaws, Kurzweil, Openbook and > Microsoft office is more resource intensive. > That's why you need a good fast processor speed. While you ar making > a new investment, you may as well get enough horse power to pull the > heavy load! > > Peter > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Allison Nastoff" <anastoff@...> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 12:08 AM > To: <jfw@...> > Subject: Laptop purchasing advice > >> Hello everyone, >> I have been using JAWS with windows XP for 5 years and have had very >> few issues. But since support for windows xp is ending soon and I am >> going back to school, I am looking to buy a Windows 7 laptop. But all >> of the resources I have read on freedomscientific.com and other sites >> are kind of vague about the system requirements needed for JAWS, >> especially with regard to processor speed. I am not a tech expert, so >> all of the jargon overwhelms me. Five years ago, I worked with DVR who >> purchased my laptop through a vendor, but this time since I have some >> money from a temp job, I thought it would be fun to pick out my own >> laptop. Little did I know how overwhelming this would be. So I am >> wondering if anyone who uses a windows 7 laptop and is happy with it >> could give me specific recommendations on exactly which brands (Dell, >> Lenovo HP etc) you have found to be the most blind-friendly in your >> opinion, and exactly what specifications you have found to work best. >> Thank you so much in advance for any input you can offer. >> Allison Nastoff >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jfw mailing list >> Jfw@... >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Jfw mailing list > Jfw@... > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131215/2fbc900a/attachment.html> |
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Amir <mrdin8877@...>
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i use that but there is problem: insert+j on a laptop? how? caps lock +j on laptop layout doesnt perform that insert +j, dont worry guys, i let jaws run on the taskbar so alt tab to it and done. anyway, be careful when buying! good luck, all the best, bye! On 15/12/2013 14:08, Feliciano G wrote:
Wow that sucks that you do not have a insert key. I was going to say why don't you use your caps lock key. But then I was like wait she or he probably doesn't use a screen reader like dojaws LOL |
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Feliciano G
It should work. You could also change the layout of the keyboard if you go to basics menu by getting to the jaws window.
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Sent from the Super-iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 2:55 AM, "Petro T. Giannakopoulos" <petrogia@...> wrote: |
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Gary King
Unfortunately, all external USB keypads aren't created equal where screen reader functions are concerned. I've never used one with a notebook, but I know from the experiences of other users, that some USB keypads work with screen reader functions, and some do not. I don't have any current information about models that work and models that don't, so you may just have to take your chances.
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Gary King w4wkz@... ----- Original Message -----
From: "Petro T. Giannakopoulos" <petrogia@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 4:55 AM Subject: Re: Laptop purchasing advice Just wanted to know about this. If a user buys a USB Numeric Keypad would it work for the user? This would eliminate having to assign keys on the laptop with no insert key? I have seen seen some USB Numeric keypads with extra keys which a user could assign say the application key if needed. Also in JAWS setup wizzard he can change the layout from laptop to desktop if a USB Numeric Keypad is used. |
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DANIEL MALONE <dmalone@...>
I've been using an external keypad for many years, on several laptops with
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desktop mode with no problems. Insert works just fine. Dan DANIEL MALONE TECHNOLOGY INSTRUCTOR CENTER FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED 1187 DUNN AVE. DAYTONA BEACH, FL. 32114 386-253-8879 EXT. 22 -----Original Message-----
From: Petro T. Giannakopoulos [mailto:petrogia@...] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:55 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Laptop purchasing advice Just wanted to know about this. If a user buys a USB Numeric Keypad would it work for the user? This would eliminate having to assign keys on the laptop with no insert key? I have seen seen some USB Numeric keypads with extra keys which a user could assign say the application key if needed. Also in JAWS setup wizzard he can change the layout from laptop to desktop if a USB Numeric Keypad is used. ----- Original Message ----- From: Amir To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Laptop purchasing advice Hi, i'm using lenovo here but unfortunately i dont have insert key, yes, you're right, insert key. need to press fn+page down, for insert, and fn+page up for scroll lock and something like that! So it's very difficult for me, using lenovo g485. so be careful when choosing! just sharing my experience. On 15/12/2013 0:20, Peter Tighe wrote: > Allison, > > I think you are getting some very good advice on this thread! > > I would add the following ideas. > 1. I lean toward Lenovo > > 2. 8 gigs of ram would be best but checking on Amazon quickly, I don't > find too many laptops with that much ram. > > > 6 gigs might be acceptable, but 4 gigs of ram is definitely not enough. > > 3. > > Processor speed and type, I think is very important. > I think you should get an I5 rather than an I3. > 4. > > Mor important, I think the processor speed should be no less than 2.5 GHZ > > It seems to me that each new version of Jaws, Kurzweil, Openbook and > Microsoft office is more resource intensive. > That's why you need a good fast processor speed. While you ar making > a new investment, you may as well get enough horse power to pull the > heavy load! > > Peter > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Allison Nastoff" <anastoff@...> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 12:08 AM > To: <jfw@...> > Subject: Laptop purchasing advice > >> Hello everyone, >> I have been using JAWS with windows XP for 5 years and have had very >> few issues. But since support for windows xp is ending soon and I am >> going back to school, I am looking to buy a Windows 7 laptop. But all >> of the resources I have read on freedomscientific.com and other sites >> are kind of vague about the system requirements needed for JAWS, >> especially with regard to processor speed. I am not a tech expert, so >> all of the jargon overwhelms me. Five years ago, I worked with DVR who >> purchased my laptop through a vendor, but this time since I have some >> money from a temp job, I thought it would be fun to pick out my own >> laptop. Little did I know how overwhelming this would be. So I am >> wondering if anyone who uses a windows 7 laptop and is happy with it >> could give me specific recommendations on exactly which brands (Dell, >> Lenovo HP etc) you have found to be the most blind-friendly in your >> opinion, and exactly what specifications you have found to work best. >> Thank you so much in advance for any input you can offer. >> Allison Nastoff >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jfw mailing list >> Jfw@... >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Jfw mailing list > Jfw@... > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201312 15/2fbc900a/attachment.html> |
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Petro T. Giannakopoulos <petrogia@...>
Same here. Works.
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From: DANIEL MALONE To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:49 AM Subject: RE: Laptop purchasing advice I've been using an external keypad for many years, on several laptops with desktop mode with no problems. Insert works just fine. Dan DANIEL MALONE TECHNOLOGY INSTRUCTOR CENTER FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED 1187 DUNN AVE. DAYTONA BEACH, FL. 32114 386-253-8879 EXT. 22 -----Original Message----- From: Petro T. Giannakopoulos [mailto:petrogia@...] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:55 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Laptop purchasing advice Just wanted to know about this. If a user buys a USB Numeric Keypad would it work for the user? This would eliminate having to assign keys on the laptop with no insert key? I have seen seen some USB Numeric keypads with extra keys which a user could assign say the application key if needed. Also in JAWS setup wizzard he can change the layout from laptop to desktop if a USB Numeric Keypad is used. ----- Original Message ----- From: Amir To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Laptop purchasing advice Hi, i'm using lenovo here but unfortunately i dont have insert key, yes, you're right, insert key. need to press fn+page down, for insert, and fn+page up for scroll lock and something like that! So it's very difficult for me, using lenovo g485. so be careful when choosing! just sharing my experience. On 15/12/2013 0:20, Peter Tighe wrote: > Allison, > > I think you are getting some very good advice on this thread! > > I would add the following ideas. > 1. I lean toward Lenovo > > 2. 8 gigs of ram would be best but checking on Amazon quickly, I don't > find too many laptops with that much ram. > > > 6 gigs might be acceptable, but 4 gigs of ram is definitely not enough. > > 3. > > Processor speed and type, I think is very important. > I think you should get an I5 rather than an I3. > 4. > > Mor important, I think the processor speed should be no less than 2.5 GHZ > > It seems to me that each new version of Jaws, Kurzweil, Openbook and > Microsoft office is more resource intensive. > That's why you need a good fast processor speed. While you ar making > a new investment, you may as well get enough horse power to pull the > heavy load! > > Peter > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Allison Nastoff" <anastoff@...> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 12:08 AM > To: <jfw@...> > Subject: Laptop purchasing advice > >> Hello everyone, >> I have been using JAWS with windows XP for 5 years and have had very >> few issues. But since support for windows xp is ending soon and I am >> going back to school, I am looking to buy a Windows 7 laptop. But all >> of the resources I have read on freedomscientific.com and other sites >> are kind of vague about the system requirements needed for JAWS, >> especially with regard to processor speed. I am not a tech expert, so >> all of the jargon overwhelms me. Five years ago, I worked with DVR who >> purchased my laptop through a vendor, but this time since I have some >> money from a temp job, I thought it would be fun to pick out my own >> laptop. Little did I know how overwhelming this would be. So I am >> wondering if anyone who uses a windows 7 laptop and is happy with it >> could give me specific recommendations on exactly which brands (Dell, >> Lenovo HP etc) you have found to be the most blind-friendly in your >> opinion, and exactly what specifications you have found to work best. >> Thank you so much in advance for any input you can offer. >> Allison Nastoff >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jfw mailing list >> Jfw@... >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Jfw mailing list > Jfw@... > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/201312 15/2fbc900a/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/20131216/180a43b5/attachment.html> |
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