Convenient OCR not so much


Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

All:
I thought there might be one redeeming virtue to JAWS 13, namely, Convenient OCR, or whatever it is called.
I regularly receive PDF documents that are, in fact, images. I also receive faxes occasionally.
They are in TIF format.
I've tried the "S" for screen and the "W" for window options.
I regularly get utterly useless information.
Has anyone successfully scanned anything useful with this very ineffective OCR?
Seriously, if I didn't have so much free disk space, I'd totally delete JAWS 13, the utterly most worthless version of JAWS ever -- nominated for the Hall of Shame.


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Abby Vincent <aevincent@...>
 

I thought it was just me. I also receive documents that the sender swears
are PDF's. When I start converting them, I hear the dreaded "empty
document". Since I have a little sight, I can see that the screen is, in
fact, not empty. I go to the JAWS cursor and try to read it, but get
nothing. Am I missing a step, or is this just a dud?
Abby

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Subject: Convenient OCR not so much

All:
I thought there might be one redeeming virtue to JAWS 13, namely, Convenient
OCR, or whatever it is called.
I regularly receive PDF documents that are, in fact, images. I also receive
faxes occasionally.
They are in TIF format.
I've tried the "S" for screen and the "W" for window options.
I regularly get utterly useless information.
Has anyone successfully scanned anything useful with this very ineffective
OCR?
Seriously, if I didn't have so much free disk space, I'd totally delete JAWS
13, the utterly most worthless version of JAWS ever -- nominated for the
Hall of Shame.


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Yes. It's a baby step, but it works. Once in a while, someone in my
cabinet sends out a PDF image file, and I have used it successfully. I'd
hate like the dickens to read the great American novel with it, but it
works.

Ted

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Subject: Convenient OCR not so much

All:
I thought there might be one redeeming virtue to JAWS 13, namely,
Convenient OCR, or whatever it is called.
I regularly receive PDF documents that are, in fact, images. I also
receive faxes occasionally.
They are in TIF format.
I've tried the "S" for screen and the "W" for window options.
I regularly get utterly useless information.
Has anyone successfully scanned anything useful with this very
ineffective OCR?
Seriously, if I didn't have so much free disk space, I'd totally delete
JAWS 13, the utterly most worthless version of JAWS ever -- nominated
for the Hall of Shame.


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
1010 Grand Boulevard
Suite 500
Kansas City, MO 64106
ed.marquette@kutakrock.com




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Gary King
 

Convenient OCR is not going to take the place of either a regular commercial OCR program or the specialty ones like Open Book or Kurzweil 1000. If you get a lot of PDF or other documents that are just images, you'll need one of these programs. Even in the FS demonstration of Convenient OCR, they said as much. I have used it successfully on a few DVDs to get the actual titles of the episodes and in some graphical installation programs. I tried the feature on a PDF booklet that came with an album I got from iTunes, but I suspect the background and pictures interfered with the OCR. To be fair, I didn't get much better results when I used Open Book to OCR the booklet. I usually just give JFW 13 a shot at the job to see what I get, with no great expectations.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net

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From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:04 AM
Subject: Convenient OCR not so much


All:
I thought there might be one redeeming virtue to JAWS 13, namely, Convenient OCR, or whatever it is called.
I regularly receive PDF documents that are, in fact, images. I also receive faxes occasionally.
They are in TIF format.
I've tried the "S" for screen and the "W" for window options.
I regularly get utterly useless information.
Has anyone successfully scanned anything useful with this very ineffective OCR?
Seriously, if I didn't have so much free disk space, I'd totally delete JAWS 13, the utterly most worthless version of JAWS ever -- nominated for the Hall of Shame.


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
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ed.marquette@kutakrock.com




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Soronel Haetir
 

And also, since it is scanning the screen and not the document the way
programs like OpenBook do, if the original quality is low the jaws OCR
is not going to help much. But yes, for things that were well
formatted to begin with (which pretty much excludes anything faxed
right off the top) it works reasonably well.

The main thing I use it for are graphical installation the first few
stages of OS installation into virtual machines. I have had some
success with really well formatted PDFs, but the original document
quality has to be very high (and not have funky backgrounds).

There is a reason it is called Convenient OCR and not Super-Duper Do
Everything OCR. Expecting jaws to be able to get the sort of quality
off the screen that a scanner/printer model based OCR package achieves
is not realistic.

On 3/16/12, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Convenient OCR is not going to take the place of either a regular commercial
OCR program or the specialty ones like Open Book or Kurzweil 1000. If you
get a lot of PDF or other documents that are just images, you'll need one of
these programs. Even in the FS demonstration of Convenient OCR, they said
as much. I have used it successfully on a few DVDs to get the actual titles
of the episodes and in some graphical installation programs. I tried the
feature on a PDF booklet that came with an album I got from iTunes, but I
suspect the background and pictures interfered with the OCR. To be fair, I
didn't get much better results when I used Open Book to OCR the booklet. I
usually just give JFW 13 a shot at the job to see what I get, with no great
expectations.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:04 AM
Subject: Convenient OCR not so much


All:
I thought there might be one redeeming virtue to JAWS 13, namely,
Convenient OCR, or whatever it is called.
I regularly receive PDF documents that are, in fact, images. I also
receive faxes occasionally.
They are in TIF format.
I've tried the "S" for screen and the "W" for window options.
I regularly get utterly useless information.
Has anyone successfully scanned anything useful with this very ineffective

OCR?
Seriously, if I didn't have so much free disk space, I'd totally delete
JAWS 13, the utterly most worthless version of JAWS ever -- nominated for
the Hall of Shame.


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
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ed.marquette@kutakrock.com




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Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I tried to use it on a Merle Haggare dVD the other day, which contains a
trivia section. I couldn't even find the section, let alone read it.
I've done better with a standard remote.

There are a couple of special CD's I want to try, including a UK
basketball encyclopedia (never could find my way into the arena), and a
railroad simulator, which has great promise, but all attempts to label
graphics have failed.

Ted

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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 3:26 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Convenient OCR not so much

And also, since it is scanning the screen and not the document the way
programs like OpenBook do, if the original quality is low the jaws OCR
is not going to help much. But yes, for things that were well formatted
to begin with (which pretty much excludes anything faxed right off the
top) it works reasonably well.

The main thing I use it for are graphical installation the first few
stages of OS installation into virtual machines. I have had some
success with really well formatted PDFs, but the original document
quality has to be very high (and not have funky backgrounds).

There is a reason it is called Convenient OCR and not Super-Duper Do
Everything OCR. Expecting jaws to be able to get the sort of quality
off the screen that a scanner/printer model based OCR package achieves
is not realistic.

On 3/16/12, Gary King <w4wkz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Convenient OCR is not going to take the place of either a regular
commercial OCR program or the specialty ones like Open Book or
Kurzweil 1000. If you get a lot of PDF or other documents that are
just images, you'll need one of these programs. Even in the FS
demonstration of Convenient OCR, they said as much. I have used it
successfully on a few DVDs to get the actual titles of the episodes
and in some graphical installation programs. I tried the feature on a
PDF booklet that came with an album I got from iTunes, but I suspect
the background and pictures interfered with the OCR. To be fair, I
didn't get much better results when I used Open Book to OCR the
booklet. I usually just give JFW 13 a shot at the job to see what I
get, with no great expectations.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@KutakRock.com>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:04 AM
Subject: Convenient OCR not so much


All:
I thought there might be one redeeming virtue to JAWS 13, namely,
Convenient OCR, or whatever it is called.
I regularly receive PDF documents that are, in fact, images. I also
receive faxes occasionally.
They are in TIF format.
I've tried the "S" for screen and the "W" for window options.
I regularly get utterly useless information.
Has anyone successfully scanned anything useful with this very
ineffective

OCR?
Seriously, if I didn't have so much free disk space, I'd totally
delete JAWS 13, the utterly most worthless version of JAWS ever --
nominated for the Hall of Shame.


I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
1010 Grand Boulevard
Suite 500
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ed.marquette@kutakrock.com




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epierce@...
 

Has anyone ever heard of a visually impaited college student receiving financial aid (of any kind, excluding state rehab.) to buy an OCR system, such as software? TIA!