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JAWS and .pdf
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Terrilynne
Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty document readable by JAWS?
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Dave...
A couple ways...
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If you are eligible to receive JAWS 13 it has "convenient OCR" built in, that purports to work very well for this. If you happen to own Openbook 8 or 9 you should have Freedom Import Printer, which allows you to send the document to that printer, and have it recognized and converted by Openbook. Other OCR software will also allow you to either directly convert the document, or if you print it out, allow you to scan in the printed pages. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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From: "Terrilynne" <shateamo@gmail.com> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 13:10 Subject: JAWS and .pdf Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty document readable by JAWS? TL _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
If it's empty, there would be nothing to read?? At 04:10 PM 10/17/2011, you wrote: Is there any way to make a .pdf document which shows up as an empty document readable by JAWS? -------------------------------------------------- CTS MASTERING: PROFESSIONAL MIXING AND MASTERING Clear True Sound www.ctsmastering.com and be sure to "like us" on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/CTS-Mastering/139114066128698
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Gerald Levy
The empty document message means that Adobe Reader is unable to read the document because it contains graphics that Adobe Reader cannot interpret. If you have Open Book, selecting the Freedom Import Printer option from the Adobe Reader Print menu will launch Open Book to scan the document and attempt to convert the text contained within the graphics into speech using OCR. The new convenient OCR feature of JAWS 13 will supposedly accomplish the same thing, but my understanding is that this feature works best on web page graphics, not document graphics. Has anyone successfully converted an empty document into speech using the convenient OCR feature of JAWS 13?
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Gerald
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From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
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Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@...>
When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope you have some scanning software.
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From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable.
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robert hebert <roberthebert@...>
It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading
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software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for instance reports the image as an empty document. Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem: Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way, only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil. The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any other screen reading program will be able to read that file.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope you have some scanning software. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable. _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Adrian Spratt
This isn't completely correct. Renaming a PDF file that JAWS calls "empty"
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with a .txt extension won't necessarily make it readable. In my experience, it never does. An "empty" PDF file must be converted with an OCR program. Although I'm not a Kurzweil user, I'd also modify the first part of your message. I assume Kurzweil, like other OCR devices, gives you the option of converting to other formats, such as .txt, .rtf, etc. If that isn't the case with Kurzweil, it's a serious limitation and a reason I wouldn't buy it.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of robert hebert Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:41 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for instance reports the image as an empty document. Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem: Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way, only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil. The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any other screen reading program will be able to read that file. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope you have some scanning software. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable. _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
Hello there;
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Yes indeed, kurzweil does allow one to save To other formats.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:44 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf This isn't completely correct. Renaming a PDF file that JAWS calls "empty" with a .txt extension won't necessarily make it readable. In my experience, it never does. An "empty" PDF file must be converted with an OCR program. Although I'm not a Kurzweil user, I'd also modify the first part of your message. I assume Kurzweil, like other OCR devices, gives you the option of converting to other formats, such as .txt, .rtf, etc. If that isn't the case with Kurzweil, it's a serious limitation and a reason I wouldn't buy it. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of robert hebert Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:41 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for instance reports the image as an empty document. Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem: Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way, only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil. The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any other screen reading program will be able to read that file. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope you have some scanning software. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable. _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Dave Durber
Could the "empty Document" message in Adobe programs be coming from JAWS instead of Adobe.
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Because there is no text information in the document, JAWS thinks the document is blank, when in fact, it is not. Which is why JAWS is giving the empty document message. Sincerely: Dave durber
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From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:21 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf
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David <davidwhitehead1957@...>
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No, I highly doubt the pdf document is blank. There's probably text up on the screen, however, jaws is seeing the pdf as a graphic, thus, Blank document.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:40 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf Could the "empty Document" message in Adobe programs be coming from JAWS instead of Adobe. Because there is no text information in the document, JAWS thinks the document is blank, when in fact, it is not. Which is why JAWS is giving the empty document message. Sincerely: Dave durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:21 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf
attempt to convert the text contained within the graphics into speech best on web page graphics, not document graphics. Has anyone successfully _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
I get about 3 or 4 of these a day. Someone has scanned a document to PDF using a "scan to image" setting. This means that, to sighted users, it looks like a normal PDF document. Only someone with an experienced eye can tell the difference; however, if a sighted user tries to highlight and copy text, that user will discover there is something wrong. There is no text -- just a series of page images.
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You can use OpenBook, OmniPage, PDF converter, or any one of I don't know how many OCR packages to convert these images to text with your degree of success depending on the clarity of the scan.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:36 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf Hello there; No, I highly doubt the pdf document is blank. There's probably text up on the screen, however, jaws is seeing the pdf as a graphic, thus, Blank document. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:40 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf Could the "empty Document" message in Adobe programs be coming from JAWS instead of Adobe. Because there is no text information in the document, JAWS thinks the document is blank, when in fact, it is not. Which is why JAWS is giving the empty document message. Sincerely: Dave durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:21 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf
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robert hebert <roberthebert@...>
You are mistaken my friend. I have done this procedure nearly 100 times and
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have never been unable to read the .txt file once converted. If you read my message carefully, I did not say to rename the file with a .txt extension--that definitely does not work but letting an OCR program rename the file does work because the OCR program is not simply renaming the file but is in fact converting the file into another format. And yes, there are a number of options that a file can be converted to but when converting and forwarding a file any computer can read a file with a .txt extension. This is why I seldom post to this list because I have rarely found that my messages are completely read. I have spent a great deal of time in writing the message with a lengthy and thorough explanation;so, Until you've taken time to read and understand it fully, please don't make erroneous comments about it.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: October-18-11 9:44 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf This isn't completely correct. Renaming a PDF file that JAWS calls "empty" with a .txt extension won't necessarily make it readable. In my experience, it never does. An "empty" PDF file must be converted with an OCR program. Although I'm not a Kurzweil user, I'd also modify the first part of your message. I assume Kurzweil, like other OCR devices, gives you the option of converting to other formats, such as .txt, .rtf, etc. If that isn't the case with Kurzweil, it's a serious limitation and a reason I wouldn't buy it. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of robert hebert Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:41 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for instance reports the image as an empty document. Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem: Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way, only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil. The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any other screen reading program will be able to read that file. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope you have some scanning software. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable. _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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robert hebert <roberthebert@...>
That is correct, the "empty document" message ins in fact coming from Jaws
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as the program does not see any on-screen text, as I explained in my message. From Adobe's point of view, the file is not empty--it is an image file but in this case, the image is a snapshot of the print page and not a photograph. Jaws 13 will address this issue to some degree though as Freedom points out, they are not releasing a full-blown ocr program.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: October-18-11 1:40 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf Could the "empty Document" message in Adobe programs be coming from JAWS instead of Adobe. Because there is no text information in the document, JAWS thinks the document is blank, when in fact, it is not. Which is why JAWS is giving the empty document message. Sincerely: Dave durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:21 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf
attempt to convert the text contained within the graphics into speech best on web page graphics, not document graphics. Has anyone successfully _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Dave...
Okay, okay, we get your point Robert. The responder clearly made a mistake,
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and in truth your original message was not extremely clear, in any case. And just to prove that I read your entire message: "This is why I seldom post to this list because I have rarely found that my messages are completely read. I have spent a great deal of time in writing the message with a lengthy and thorough explanation;so, Until you've taken time to read and understand it fully, please don't make erroneous comments about it." We don't need a monolog on how to read your messages. Mistakes happen, and it's usually not a direct attack on you as a writer. And if you are sensitive to how people read or not read your messages, then you may not be happy with the general population of lists, in general -- blind or not. Dave Carlson Sent from my Dell Latitude E6520 using Windows 7, San Francisco Bay Area
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From: "robert hebert" <roberthebert@telus.net> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:00 Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf You are mistaken my friend. I have done this procedure nearly 100 times and have never been unable to read the .txt file once converted. If you read my message carefully, I did not say to rename the file with a .txt extension--that definitely does not work but letting an OCR program rename the file does work because the OCR program is not simply renaming the file but is in fact converting the file into another format. And yes, there are a number of options that a file can be converted to but when converting and forwarding a file any computer can read a file with a .txt extension. This is why I seldom post to this list because I have rarely found that my messages are completely read. I have spent a great deal of time in writing the message with a lengthy and thorough explanation;so, Until you've taken time to read and understand it fully, please don't make erroneous comments about it. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: October-18-11 9:44 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf This isn't completely correct. Renaming a PDF file that JAWS calls "empty" with a .txt extension won't necessarily make it readable. In my experience, it never does. An "empty" PDF file must be converted with an OCR program. Although I'm not a Kurzweil user, I'd also modify the first part of your message. I assume Kurzweil, like other OCR devices, gives you the option of converting to other formats, such as .txt, .rtf, etc. If that isn't the case with Kurzweil, it's a serious limitation and a reason I wouldn't buy it. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of robert hebert Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:41 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for instance reports the image as an empty document. Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem: Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way, only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil. The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any other screen reading program will be able to read that file. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope you have some scanning software. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable. _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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Adrian Spratt
Robert, your current message, which is clear, shows that I did, indeed,
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misinterpret your earlier post. In turn, your reply to my message partially misinterprets mine. So be it. Rather than take offense that something you have carefully composed has been misunderstood, perhaps you could take heart that contributors to this list make an effort to get things right. Each of us who posts regularly have had our ideas corrected, as we have corrected those posted by others. Even so, I agree, it's important to try to get it right the first time. I will tell you that your previous message wasn't as clear as you believe, but I do wish I'd read it correctly.
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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of robert hebert Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 2:01 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf You are mistaken my friend. I have done this procedure nearly 100 times and have never been unable to read the .txt file once converted. If you read my message carefully, I did not say to rename the file with a .txt extension--that definitely does not work but letting an OCR program rename the file does work because the OCR program is not simply renaming the file but is in fact converting the file into another format. And yes, there are a number of options that a file can be converted to but when converting and forwarding a file any computer can read a file with a .txt extension. This is why I seldom post to this list because I have rarely found that my messages are completely read. I have spent a great deal of time in writing the message with a lengthy and thorough explanation;so, Until you've taken time to read and understand it fully, please don't make erroneous comments about it. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: October-18-11 9:44 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf This isn't completely correct. Renaming a PDF file that JAWS calls "empty" with a .txt extension won't necessarily make it readable. In my experience, it never does. An "empty" PDF file must be converted with an OCR program. Although I'm not a Kurzweil user, I'd also modify the first part of your message. I assume Kurzweil, like other OCR devices, gives you the option of converting to other formats, such as .txt, .rtf, etc. If that isn't the case with Kurzweil, it's a serious limitation and a reason I wouldn't buy it. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of robert hebert Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:41 AM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: JAWS and .pdf It is quite common for pdf documents to be interpreted by screen-reading software as empty documents. This is because the pdf file is what is called an image file. In effect, adobe takes a snapshot of the sender's file and sends that snapshot to the receiving computer. Although a sighted person sees text on the screen, Jaws or other speech readers do not hence Jaws, for instance reports the image as an empty document. Solution: Scanning software has at least 2 solutions for this problem: Using Kurzweil scanning software I can print the image document to the virtual printer. What happens here is that the scanning program scans the screen as if one had a document on the scanner. Each page of your document will be virtually scanned in this way and at the end you will be asked to accept an assigned file name or enter a new one. When saved in this way, only computers with Kurzweil software will be able to read a document in this format. I believe that most, if not all software scanning programs do a similar procedure though I have only used Kurzweil. The second and just a bit more involved solution is to move the "empty" pdf file to a folder where you usually keep your documents then using your scanning software (assuming you have it) select that file through your scanning program's menu, and save it as a file with a .txt extension. Now your file will be saved as a text document and at this point, Jaws or any other screen reading program will be able to read that file. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar Sent: October-18-11 7:23 AM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf When that happens to me I open .pdf using Openbook scanning software. Hope you have some scanning software. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@cogeco.ca> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:38 AM Subject: Re: JAWS and .pdf i'm not sure what you mean by an empty document that is readable. _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
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