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How Fast do People use JAWS to read?
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Charles Krugman
as I stated previously JAWS used to show the actual rate and I recall thatat rate 95 ]\= 50% and when it actually showed the word count it was at 350 WPM. If you have any earlier versions of JAWS you might go back to them and experiment with the settings under voices in the options menu to find out more about word rates.
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Chuck ----- Original Message -----
From: "Virgil Cook" <vcook@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support mailing list'" <jfw@...> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: RE: How Fast do People use JAWS to read? How do you determine the WPM, since the rate is shown in percentages? |
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Mike & Barbara In Arcadia <mb69mach1@...>
Hi Chuck & Virgil,
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Below is an article that talks about screen reader reading speeds. *** Listening Speeds Approximation with Window-Eyes and JAWS Screen Reader Practice Text Documents Listening Speeds Approximation with Window-Eyes and JAWS Methodology In order to determine an approximate words-per-minute test for a screen reader, we used this process: 1. The screen reader's speed was set to a chosen percentage. 2. A long document was selected of sufficient length for the "Read All" command to be invoked without running out of text in a two-minute reading session. 3. A timer was set for two minutes. 4. The timer and the "Read All" command were invoked at the same time. 5. The "Read All" command was stopped when the timer expired. 6. The rest of the document was selected and deleted. 7. The Microsoft Word "Word Count" command was invoked. 8. The number of characters without spaces were found. 9. This number was placed into Windows Calculator. 10. The number was divided by 5 to obtain an approximate average length of five characters. (Five characters is the average word length in American English.) 11. The result of this was divided by two to obtain average words per minute. 12. The deleted text was restored and the process repeated for another speed rate. Known factors which influence speed outcomes: 1. By default, the screen reader pauses for a fraction of a second at sentence punctuation marks, such as commas and periods, in order to give a better reading experience. This would tend to give a slightly slower average speed for each percentage. 2. In calculating the number of characters, punctuation of all kinds, including quotation marks, dashes, and sentence punctuation and other printable characters were included (spaces were excluded). This would tend to give a higher character count, and therefore, a higher average speed. Though this has not been tested, the assumption is that the two variables tend to cancel out one another. 3. Different versions of the Eloquence synthesizer have yielded different results. Both Window-Eyes and JAWS have included a proprietary version of Eloquence within their screen reader in recent releases. These versions have yielded higher rates from the nonproprietary versions. 4. Probably related to the previous point, we found that current versions of these two screen readers produced markedly different reading rates at the same percentages. The test was performed for Window-Eyes 7 and JAWS 11 with their own proprietary version of Eloquence. Comparison Tables Percent Window-Eyes 7 JAWS 11 60% 346.3 524.7 50% 251.6 437.4 40% 196.5 344.5 30% 135.3 284.1 20% 107.8 224 Percent NVDA 95% 400 58% 300 27% 200 NVDA: Non-Visual Desktop Access Hope this helps. Take care. Mike ----- Original Message -----
From: ckrugman@... To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 11:47 PM Subject: Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read? as I stated previously JAWS used to show the actual rate and I recall thatat rate 95 ]\= 50% and when it actually showed the word count it was at 350 WPM. If you have any earlier versions of JAWS you might go back to them and experiment with the settings under voices in the options menu to find out more about word rates. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virgil Cook" <vcook@...> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support mailing list'" <jfw@...> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: RE: How Fast do People use JAWS to read? > How do you determine the WPM, since the rate is shown in percentages? > > -----Original Message----- > From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] > On Behalf Of ckrugman@... > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:09 PM > To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list > Subject: Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read? > > I use it at about 350wpm and sometimes a bit higher. > Chuck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@...> > To: "JAWS Information List" <jfw@...> > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:52 AM > Subject: How Fast do People use JAWS to read? > > >> Dear elf, >> Oh my, you mean you can read JAWS at 500 words per minute? >> >> I know the 300 Words Per Minute I am currently using was not as fast as I >> could use JAWS and comprehend pretty well, Perhaps I might go 400 Words >> per minute and with Practice be able to comprehend pretty well, but 500 >> words per minute? >> Never! >> >> And yes, I was sighted and I do not think I ever read at 400 words a >> minute with eyesight. >> >> Just for my information, which I will gratefully appreciate, how fast do >> most of you fine folks use JAWS? >> At Home? >> At Work? >> >> Thanks for any input! >> >> With Best Regards, >> Alan >> Miami, Florida >> Alan Dicey, President >> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA >> "Yes, Blind and Visually Impaired People, Can, and Do, Play Chess!" >> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: >> http://AmericanBlindChess.org >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "inthane" <inthaneelf@...> >> To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this? >> >> >>> having been fully sighted I can answer this, the sighted world doesn't >>> know how to handle multiple inputs! simple and to the point... >>> >>> for the main part everything in the "normal" world is based on the >>> written word, it doesn't matter for the main part that not everyone >>> learns well from the written word, that's the way its done. >>> >>> so much so that I wasn't hearing half of what was going on around me >>> sound wise when I had my site, and had to relearn how to focus on sound >>> in order to get past the noise filters I had developed in my mind. >>> luckily the human body will assist you with that when its deprived of >>> its > >>> main sensory input. >>> >>> and I was a mechanic, so was used to "using my ears" in assistance to >>> diagnosing problems with gas and diesel engines >>> >>> not well done, but its how it's done out there >>> >>> so they have no motivation, nor the trained in capacity to use the >>> "additional" input presented by programs like jaws and such, absolutely >>> none, another bad point is at the rate of reading I had, which was about >>> 500 words a minute, I would not have been able to make much sense out of >>> what would have been coming out of the speakers if the speech program >>> was > >>> trying to keep up with my visual reading speed >>> >>> elf >>> . Moderator, Blind Access Help. >>> . Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises >>> "own the might and majesty of an alacorn" >>> www.alacorncomputer.com >>> . proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag >>> for blind computer users and Programmers! >>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Brandon Keith (Biggs)" <brandonboy13@...> >>> To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this? >>> >>> >>>> Yeah, because Jaws doesn't even write by itself... >>>> If Jaws can't complete it, it's because your fingers are unable to move >>>> over the keys to complete it... >>>> And anyone on this list should be able to identify the difference >>>> between "Text to speech" and "Speech to text." JFW is the first one! :) >>>> I'm wondering why can't or don't sighted people use JFW regularly? It's >>>> so much faster using Jaws to read than it is to use your eyes. I'd >>>> think > >>>> using both your eyes and your ears would make for extraordinary speeds >>>> on the computer... >>>> Also when reading books, I can get through one and a half 400 page book >>>> in a day if I just read on my travel time, so why couldn't products for >>>> the blind get legalized for sighted people and mainstreamed? >>>> Just a random question that I've never been able to comprehend never >>>> being sighted... >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> >>>> Check out >>>> MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs >>>> Also add me on facebook! >>>> brandonkeith >>>> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=675097942 >>>> And for my resume go to: >>>> http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Kerri" <shalom75@...> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:10 PM >>>> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support mailing list'" >>>> <jfw@...> >>>> Subject: RE: [Bulk] what is this? >>>> >>>>> I think he's using jaw bridge or that voice recognition programs and >>>>> jfw >>>>> simultaneously. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: jfw-bounces@... >>>>> [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] >>>>> On Behalf Of Dave Scrimenti >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:13 PM >>>>> To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this? >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps it's one of those great universal puzzles that we're just not >>>>> suppose to ever comprehend. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...> >>>>> To: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@...>; "The Jaws for Windows >>>>> support mailing list" <jfw@...> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 10:58 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Bulk] what is this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> That's a lot more polite than what I was thinking about that >>>>>> particular message. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/28/11, Farfar Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote: >>>>>>> And we are supposed to understand what you wrote? Are you writing in >>>>>>> a language that is even terrestrial? Get a grip and try again to >>>>>>> write something intelligent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio >>>>>>> Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "rbl.gulftel.com" <rbl@...> >>>>>>> To: <Jfw@...> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:48 >>>>>>> Subject: [Bulk] what is this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> really confusing, jaws does not give me a chance a chance cannot >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> comp;lete this because jaws can't understand me >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Jfw mailing list >>>>>>> Jfw@... >>>>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/jfw-the-jdh.com >>>>>>> Unsubscribe by email: jfw-unsubscribe@... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Jfw mailing list >>>>>>> Jfw@... >>>>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/jfw-the-jdh.com >>>>>>> Unsubscribe by email: jfw-unsubscribe@... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Soronel Haetir >>>>>> soronel.haetir@... >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Jfw mailing list >>>>>> Jfw@... >>>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/jfw-the-jdh.com >>>>>> Unsubscribe by email: jfw-unsubscribe@... >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jfw mailing list >>>>> Jfw@... >>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/jfw-the-jdh.com >>>>> Unsubscribe by email: jfw-unsubscribe@... >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Jfw mailing list >>>>> Jfw@... >>>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/jfw-the-jdh.com >>>>> Unsubscribe by email: jfw-unsubscribe@... >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Jfw mailing list >>>> Jfw@... >>>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/jfw-the-jdh.com >>>> Unsubscribe by email: jfw-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Jfw mailing list >>> Jfw@... >>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/jfw-the-jdh.com >>> Unsubscribe by email: jfw-unsubscribe@... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Jfw mailing list >> Jfw@... >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/jfw-the-jdh.com >> Unsubscribe by email: jfw-unsubscribe@... > > _______________________________________________ > Jfw mailing list > Jfw@... > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/jfw-the-jdh.com > Unsubscribe by email: jfw-unsubscribe@... > > _______________________________________________ > Jfw mailing list > Jfw@... > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/jfw-the-jdh.com > Unsubscribe by email: jfw-unsubscribe@... _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list Jfw@... http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ptusing <ptusing@...>
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I tried to use 3 Real Speak voices at only 230 words per minute on a computer which was very fastand had more memory than my present computer. At 230 words per minute, a word ending in a consonant like a d would blend into the following word beginning with a vowel likethe word "incentive". Also softer consonants were not pronounced clearly like the letter f or s enbedded inside a word at 230 words per minute. At really slower speeds, the speech is clear; but who works at slower speeds? I simply do not have time to work slowly and need 230 words per minute or better. Besides Eloquence which is satisfactory forsome uses, , are there alternatives which do not corrupt the understanding at productive reading speeds at 230 and higher speeds like the Real Speak voices? Thanks. ----- Original Message -----
From: <ckrugman@...> To: "The Jaws for Windows support mailing list" <jfw@...> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:47 AM Subject: Re: How Fast do People use JAWS to read? as I stated previously JAWS used to show the actual rate and I recall thatat rate 95 ]\= 50% and when it actually showed the word count it was at 350 WPM. If you have any earlier versions of JAWS you might go back to them and experiment with the settings under voices in the options menu to find out more about word rates. |
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