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researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Cy Selfridge
 

Hi Grampa,
I agree that FS should get Excel and Access up and working first then play with ReasearchIt.
Now, in all fairness, I do like the ReasearchIt function and use them daily but I would much rather be able to get to Access.
Cy, Another Grampa.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:57 PM
To: Eric Damrey
Cc: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Fw: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Hello Eric,

I received this announcement from you on our list, shared by one of our
subscribers. I wonder why you didn't post a similar message on our list?
Jfw@...

Also my inputs do not lean in the direction that you are suggesting in your
message. I for one would much rather FS focus on getting JAWS more stable
with critical applications than to further do repairs on ResearchIt
capability to harvest sports scores.

I have written to FS Support on a number of occasions on bugs that have
cropped up in various versions of JAWS, most notably in JAWS 12 where the
update after 12.0.525 caused Excel 2007 to crash. I reported this and the
"fix" did not work at all. I've continued to stick with 12.0.525 as a result
so I can get my work done.

Further I've pointed out that the implementation of the virtual ribbon in
Excel, Word, and Outlook is flawed and inconsistent w/r the QAT. In Excel
the QAT works differently in virtual ribbon mode than with Outlook and Word.
Moreover a few key Excel JAWS shortcuts were removed (intentionally?
accidentally?) from the .JKM file in version 12 so that I could no longer
read the top 4 column cells. Those keystrokes were given over to the QAT, I
believed. I had to copy the script functions from a JAWS 11 .JSS filed and
paste into the JAWS 12 file and recompile, and then reassign the
Ctrl+Shift+1, 2, 3, and 4 keys.

That type of work should not have been necessary for the end user to do.

I am so imbued with the strength of using the QAT that I keep the virtual
ribbon turned off now. I continue to improve on using the ribbon and only
turn on VR when I just can't find a function. Then it's off again.

I think FS needs to take a long look with a wide perspective, on the Office
applications, the QAT, and the VR to come up with a consistent approach to
having them all work together, and all work the same.

Thanks for listening.

Dave Carlson
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.

----- Original Message -----
From: jaws-users-list-bounces@...
[mailto:jaws-users-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Eric Damery
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@...
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS updated, regarding the MLB problems in
Research It

Greetings all,

Nobody is more disappointed to have lost the MLB option in Research It more
than I am. Especially when you consider the tight race in the American
League East where my Sox are doing battle once again with the Yanks and the
Rays. Anyway, here is the scoop on what has happened.
About a week or 10 days ago, ESPN made modifications to how they expose
sports results in an effort to block many different products that had been
tapping into ESPN to get the info in real time and display it. We believe
this was done in an effort to get more organizations to purchase access to
the data and prevent anyone from getting it otherwise. This will not only
impact MLB on Research It, but all of the sports.

We have been investigating the MLB site itself and many other places like
YAHOO but so far, have not found any site that exposes the information away
that will work. We are also reaching out to ESPN and trying to explain who
we are and what we are doing in order to see if we can get them to work with
us. If any of you who use Research It to get access to daily scores would be
willing, please write to them at:
https://r.espn.go.com/members/contact/index

Please be polite and remember, they are not targeting JAWS and Research It
when they make these changes. It would be helpful to explain to them how
beneficial it has been to use Research It in order to get the scores and
schedules without having to weed through all the extra information presented
on very busy web pages. I'm sure that together, we can all work this out and
FS will get this fixed and working again as quickly as possible.

Regards,
Eric Damery
www.freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.

Ken, I talked with someone from FS about the MLB scores feature not working,
and they told me that ESPN was going to charge them to continue using them,
so they are now looking for someone else. They say they're working on
fixing the problem, but the scores feature hasn't worked in a month now.
Doesn't appear they're in a big hurry.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.


Hi list, for the last few days I can’t get research it to click the full
forecast link in weather. also am not getting to read MLB scores. it
says clearly type using the Date in a dd/mm/yyy format but it is saying
research it found now results. Now that newsline is using the ticker on
the AP feed it’s easier to use research it. any ideas?
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Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

As another grandpa I just want to put in my two cents. I agree that things like researchit may be nice for a lot of people and maybe for a few people find it useful on the job but personally I would like them to go back to producing a good stable product.
This "now it work and now it doesn't" puts a huge strain on people in the workplace and the workplace is tough enough as it is.
If it worked in one version and not in the next FS should be clear about what they are doing. Are they supporting this or they not. If they are not going to support a product they should be up front about and announce it publicly not just jerk every one around.
I have been a long time user of jaws and I actually like the product I just think SF needs to adjust their attitude and priorities.

Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: July 14, 2011 10:26 PM
To: 'Farfar on Laptop'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Hi Grampa,
I agree that FS should get Excel and Access up and working first then play with ReasearchIt.
Now, in all fairness, I do like the ReasearchIt function and use them daily but I would much rather be able to get to Access.
Cy, Another Grampa.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:57 PM
To: Eric Damrey
Cc: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Fw: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Hello Eric,

I received this announcement from you on our list, shared by one of our
subscribers. I wonder why you didn't post a similar message on our list?
Jfw@...

Also my inputs do not lean in the direction that you are suggesting in your
message. I for one would much rather FS focus on getting JAWS more stable
with critical applications than to further do repairs on ResearchIt
capability to harvest sports scores.

I have written to FS Support on a number of occasions on bugs that have
cropped up in various versions of JAWS, most notably in JAWS 12 where the
update after 12.0.525 caused Excel 2007 to crash. I reported this and the
"fix" did not work at all. I've continued to stick with 12.0.525 as a result
so I can get my work done.

Further I've pointed out that the implementation of the virtual ribbon in
Excel, Word, and Outlook is flawed and inconsistent w/r the QAT. In Excel
the QAT works differently in virtual ribbon mode than with Outlook and Word.
Moreover a few key Excel JAWS shortcuts were removed (intentionally?
accidentally?) from the .JKM file in version 12 so that I could no longer
read the top 4 column cells. Those keystrokes were given over to the QAT, I
believed. I had to copy the script functions from a JAWS 11 .JSS filed and
paste into the JAWS 12 file and recompile, and then reassign the
Ctrl+Shift+1, 2, 3, and 4 keys.

That type of work should not have been necessary for the end user to do.

I am so imbued with the strength of using the QAT that I keep the virtual
ribbon turned off now. I continue to improve on using the ribbon and only
turn on VR when I just can't find a function. Then it's off again.

I think FS needs to take a long look with a wide perspective, on the Office
applications, the QAT, and the VR to come up with a consistent approach to
having them all work together, and all work the same.

Thanks for listening.

Dave Carlson
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.

----- Original Message -----
From: jaws-users-list-bounces@...
[mailto:jaws-users-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Eric Damery
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@...
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS updated, regarding the MLB problems in
Research It

Greetings all,

Nobody is more disappointed to have lost the MLB option in Research It more
than I am. Especially when you consider the tight race in the American
League East where my Sox are doing battle once again with the Yanks and the
Rays. Anyway, here is the scoop on what has happened.
About a week or 10 days ago, ESPN made modifications to how they expose
sports results in an effort to block many different products that had been
tapping into ESPN to get the info in real time and display it. We believe
this was done in an effort to get more organizations to purchase access to
the data and prevent anyone from getting it otherwise. This will not only
impact MLB on Research It, but all of the sports.

We have been investigating the MLB site itself and many other places like
YAHOO but so far, have not found any site that exposes the information away
that will work. We are also reaching out to ESPN and trying to explain who
we are and what we are doing in order to see if we can get them to work with
us. If any of you who use Research It to get access to daily scores would be
willing, please write to them at:
https://r.espn.go.com/members/contact/index

Please be polite and remember, they are not targeting JAWS and Research It
when they make these changes. It would be helpful to explain to them how
beneficial it has been to use Research It in order to get the scores and
schedules without having to weed through all the extra information presented
on very busy web pages. I'm sure that together, we can all work this out and
FS will get this fixed and working again as quickly as possible.

Regards,
Eric Damery
www.freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.

Ken, I talked with someone from FS about the MLB scores feature not working,
and they told me that ESPN was going to charge them to continue using them,
so they are now looking for someone else. They say they're working on
fixing the problem, but the scores feature hasn't worked in a month now.
Doesn't appear they're in a big hurry.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.


Hi list, for the last few days I can't get research it to click the full
forecast link in weather. also am not getting to read MLB scores. it
says clearly type using the Date in a dd/mm/yyy format but it is saying
research it found now results. Now that newsline is using the ticker on
the AP feed it's easier to use research it. any ideas?
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Daniel McGee <venables134@...>
 

Hi guys, I agree to. Programmes for a start like updating the parts for firefox for those who like using it, and for thoes who use live mail the part where one replys to a mail still isn't proaply working cos I still have to turn off the virtual viewer it doesn't bovver me but I am thinking for those who will come to use the programme in the future and for some of those jaws users it might be new to jaws and when they suddenly find out that when replying to a message and hear the two popping sounds and start typing well they will be out of luck and for the newbies they might of not of even heard of the virtual curser and therefore be misled thinking oh I can't reply to this person and might automaticly asume that ok this programme is inaccessible with jaws. Do you all see what I mean?
Thanks
Daniel

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From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:03 PM
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

As another grandpa I just want to put in my two cents. I agree that things like researchit may be nice for a lot of people and maybe for a few people find it useful on the job but personally I would like them to go back to producing a good stable product.
This "now it work and now it doesn't" puts a huge strain on people in the workplace and the workplace is tough enough as it is.
If it worked in one version and not in the next FS should be clear about what they are doing. Are they supporting this or they not. If they are not going to support a product they should be up front about and announce it publicly not just jerk every one around.
I have been a long time user of jaws and I actually like the product I just think SF needs to adjust their attitude and priorities.

Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: July 14, 2011 10:26 PM
To: 'Farfar on Laptop'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Hi Grampa,
I agree that FS should get Excel and Access up and working first then play with ReasearchIt.
Now, in all fairness, I do like the ReasearchIt function and use them daily but I would much rather be able to get to Access.
Cy, Another Grampa.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:57 PM
To: Eric Damrey
Cc: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Fw: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Hello Eric,

I received this announcement from you on our list, shared by one of our
subscribers. I wonder why you didn't post a similar message on our list?
Jfw@...

Also my inputs do not lean in the direction that you are suggesting in your
message. I for one would much rather FS focus on getting JAWS more stable
with critical applications than to further do repairs on ResearchIt
capability to harvest sports scores.

I have written to FS Support on a number of occasions on bugs that have
cropped up in various versions of JAWS, most notably in JAWS 12 where the
update after 12.0.525 caused Excel 2007 to crash. I reported this and the
"fix" did not work at all. I've continued to stick with 12.0.525 as a result
so I can get my work done.

Further I've pointed out that the implementation of the virtual ribbon in
Excel, Word, and Outlook is flawed and inconsistent w/r the QAT. In Excel
the QAT works differently in virtual ribbon mode than with Outlook and Word.
Moreover a few key Excel JAWS shortcuts were removed (intentionally?
accidentally?) from the .JKM file in version 12 so that I could no longer
read the top 4 column cells. Those keystrokes were given over to the QAT, I
believed. I had to copy the script functions from a JAWS 11 .JSS filed and
paste into the JAWS 12 file and recompile, and then reassign the
Ctrl+Shift+1, 2, 3, and 4 keys.

That type of work should not have been necessary for the end user to do.

I am so imbued with the strength of using the QAT that I keep the virtual
ribbon turned off now. I continue to improve on using the ribbon and only
turn on VR when I just can't find a function. Then it's off again.

I think FS needs to take a long look with a wide perspective, on the Office
applications, the QAT, and the VR to come up with a consistent approach to
having them all work together, and all work the same.

Thanks for listening.

Dave Carlson
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.

----- Original Message -----
From: jaws-users-list-bounces@...
[mailto:jaws-users-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Eric Damery
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@...
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS updated, regarding the MLB problems in
Research It

Greetings all,

Nobody is more disappointed to have lost the MLB option in Research It more
than I am. Especially when you consider the tight race in the American
League East where my Sox are doing battle once again with the Yanks and the
Rays. Anyway, here is the scoop on what has happened.
About a week or 10 days ago, ESPN made modifications to how they expose
sports results in an effort to block many different products that had been
tapping into ESPN to get the info in real time and display it. We believe
this was done in an effort to get more organizations to purchase access to
the data and prevent anyone from getting it otherwise. This will not only
impact MLB on Research It, but all of the sports.

We have been investigating the MLB site itself and many other places like
YAHOO but so far, have not found any site that exposes the information away
that will work. We are also reaching out to ESPN and trying to explain who
we are and what we are doing in order to see if we can get them to work with
us. If any of you who use Research It to get access to daily scores would be
willing, please write to them at:
https://r.espn.go.com/members/contact/index

Please be polite and remember, they are not targeting JAWS and Research It
when they make these changes. It would be helpful to explain to them how
beneficial it has been to use Research It in order to get the scores and
schedules without having to weed through all the extra information presented
on very busy web pages. I'm sure that together, we can all work this out and
FS will get this fixed and working again as quickly as possible.

Regards,
Eric Damery
www.freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.

Ken, I talked with someone from FS about the MLB scores feature not working,
and they told me that ESPN was going to charge them to continue using them,
so they are now looking for someone else. They say they're working on
fixing the problem, but the scores feature hasn't worked in a month now.
Doesn't appear they're in a big hurry.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken lawrence" <kenlawrence124@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.


Hi list, for the last few days I can't get research it to click the full
forecast link in weather. also am not getting to read MLB scores. it
says clearly type using the Date in a dd/mm/yyy format but it is saying
research it found now results. Now that newsline is using the ticker on
the AP feed it's easier to use research it. any ideas?
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Chris Smart <csmart8@...>
 

Hi folks,
Regarding our opinions on what we'd like to see in future versions of Jaws, where should we send our opinions, besides the general support address? Is there someone we can contact directly who isn't a front-line tech support person?

Chris

Dave...
 

Daniel,

I think I agree with your points, but reading your message I ran out of
breath and passed out on the floor, wondering where your and, and, and, and,
and run-on fragments were going to finally end.

Seriously and aside from grammar, send your concerns, along with some full
stops to support@...

And don't forget the dot in dot com. [full stop]

Dave Carlson
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel McGee" <venables134@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:03
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Hi guys, I agree to. Programmes for a start like updating the parts for
firefox for those who like using it, and for thoes who use live mail the
part where one replys to a mail still isn't proaply working cos I still have
to turn off the virtual viewer it doesn't bovver me but I am thinking for
those who will come to use the programme in the future and for some of those
jaws users it might be new to jaws and when they suddenly find out that when
replying to a message and hear the two popping sounds and start typing well
they will be out of luck and for the newbies they might of not of even heard
of the virtual curser and therefore be misled thinking oh I can't reply to
this person and might automaticly asume that ok this programme is
inaccessible with jaws. Do you all see what I mean?
Thanks
Daniel

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From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:03 PM
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

As another grandpa I just want to put in my two cents. I agree that
things like researchit may be nice for a lot of people and maybe for a
few people find it useful on the job but personally I would like them to
go back to producing a good stable product.
This "now it work and now it doesn't" puts a huge strain on people in the
workplace and the workplace is tough enough as it is.
If it worked in one version and not in the next FS should be clear about
what they are doing. Are they supporting this or they not. If they are
not going to support a product they should be up front about and announce
it publicly not just jerk every one around.
I have been a long time user of jaws and I actually like the product I
just think SF needs to adjust their attitude and priorities.

Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: July 14, 2011 10:26 PM
To: 'Farfar on Laptop'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Hi Grampa,
I agree that FS should get Excel and Access up and working first then play
with ReasearchIt.
Now, in all fairness, I do like the ReasearchIt function and use them
daily but I would much rather be able to get to Access.
Cy, Another Grampa.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:57 PM
To: Eric Damrey
Cc: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Fw: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Hello Eric,

I received this announcement from you on our list, shared by one of our
subscribers. I wonder why you didn't post a similar message on our list?
Jfw@...

Also my inputs do not lean in the direction that you are suggesting in
your
message. I for one would much rather FS focus on getting JAWS more stable
with critical applications than to further do repairs on ResearchIt
capability to harvest sports scores.

I have written to FS Support on a number of occasions on bugs that have
cropped up in various versions of JAWS, most notably in JAWS 12 where the
update after 12.0.525 caused Excel 2007 to crash. I reported this and the
"fix" did not work at all. I've continued to stick with 12.0.525 as a
result
so I can get my work done.

Further I've pointed out that the implementation of the virtual ribbon in
Excel, Word, and Outlook is flawed and inconsistent w/r the QAT. In Excel
the QAT works differently in virtual ribbon mode than with Outlook and
Word.
Moreover a few key Excel JAWS shortcuts were removed (intentionally?
accidentally?) from the .JKM file in version 12 so that I could no longer
read the top 4 column cells. Those keystrokes were given over to the QAT,
I
believed. I had to copy the script functions from a JAWS 11 .JSS filed and
paste into the JAWS 12 file and recompile, and then reassign the
Ctrl+Shift+1, 2, 3, and 4 keys.

That type of work should not have been necessary for the end user to do.

I am so imbued with the strength of using the QAT that I keep the virtual
ribbon turned off now. I continue to improve on using the ribbon and only
turn on VR when I just can't find a function. Then it's off again.

I think FS needs to take a long look with a wide perspective, on the
Office
applications, the QAT, and the VR to come up with a consistent approach to
having them all work together, and all work the same.

Thanks for listening.

Dave Carlson
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.

----- Original Message -----
From: jaws-users-list-bounces@...
[mailto:jaws-users-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Eric Damery
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@...
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS updated, regarding the MLB problems in
Research It

Greetings all,

Nobody is more disappointed to have lost the MLB option in Research It
more
than I am. Especially when you consider the tight race in the American
League East where my Sox are doing battle once again with the Yanks and
the
Rays. Anyway, here is the scoop on what has happened.
About a week or 10 days ago, ESPN made modifications to how they expose
sports results in an effort to block many different products that had been
tapping into ESPN to get the info in real time and display it. We believe
this was done in an effort to get more organizations to purchase access to
the data and prevent anyone from getting it otherwise. This will not only
impact MLB on Research It, but all of the sports.

We have been investigating the MLB site itself and many other places like
YAHOO but so far, have not found any site that exposes the information
away
that will work. We are also reaching out to ESPN and trying to explain who
we are and what we are doing in order to see if we can get them to work
with
us. If any of you who use Research It to get access to daily scores would
be
willing, please write to them at:
https://r.espn.go.com/members/contact/index

Please be polite and remember, they are not targeting JAWS and Research It
when they make these changes. It would be helpful to explain to them how
beneficial it has been to use Research It in order to get the scores and
schedules without having to weed through all the extra information
presented
on very busy web pages. I'm sure that together, we can all work this out
and
FS will get this fixed and working again as quickly as possible.

Regards,
Eric Damery
www.freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.

Ken, I talked with someone from FS about the MLB scores feature not
working,
and they told me that ESPN was going to charge them to continue using
them,
so they are now looking for someone else. They say they're working on
fixing the problem, but the scores feature hasn't worked in a month now.
Doesn't appear they're in a big hurry.
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Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.


Hi list, for the last few days I can't get research it to click the full
forecast link in weather. also am not getting to read MLB scores. it
says clearly type using the Date in a dd/mm/yyy format but it is saying
research it found now results. Now that newsline is using the ticker on
the AP feed it's easier to use research it. any ideas?
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Chris,

I suggest sending to the author of the announcement message we saw
yesterday -- Eric Damrey. I've included him in the TO: header above for your
convenience.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:10
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Hi folks,
Regarding our opinions on what we'd like to see in future versions
of Jaws, where should we send our opinions, besides the general
support address? Is there someone we can contact directly who
isn't a front-line tech support person?

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Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That always helps too.

Daniel McGee <venables134@...>
 

Hello Chris and Dave, point taken I'll try not to ramble on in future. Also I'll try and think about punctuation and spelling as well.

Chris in case you were refering to me, the answer is yes I am a user of Jaws wouldn't be able to use my computer without it.


Daniel

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From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 4:21 PM
To: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>; "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That always helps too.

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No, Chris, he isn't, but to his credit, I understand he tests how JAWS
works with other applications blindfolded or in some other way without
looking.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:22 AM
To: Farfar on Laptop; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That
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At 12:28 PM 7/15/2011, you wrote:
Hello Chris and Dave, point taken I'll try not to ramble on in future. Also I'll try and think about punctuation and spelling as well.

Chris in case you were refering to me, the answer is yes I am a user of Jaws wouldn't be able to use my computer without it.
Uh no, I was talking about Eric.

Daniel McGee <venables134@...>
 

Hi Chris, that's ok after sending my message and doing an F5 to recieve more mail, I notice an email from Dave and he mentioned Eric to you. So I put two and two together and figured it out.
Daniel

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From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:12 PM
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

At 12:28 PM 7/15/2011, you wrote:
Hello Chris and Dave, point taken I'll try not to ramble on in future. Also I'll try and think about punctuation and spelling as well.

Chris in case you were refering to me, the answer is yes I am a user of Jaws wouldn't be able to use my computer without it.
Uh no, I was talking about Eric.

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Chris and everyone:

Eric Damery is not blind. He is sighted.

Having said that, unlike so many sighted people who attempt to train visually impaired people to use JAWS, Eric knows as nuch, if not more about JAWS than anyone, plus, he can use JAWS without a monitor.

I have seen Eric, walk into a room where there are a number of peple using JAWS, assess what they are doing and, within a few seconds, even though there are no monitores turned on, he can tell which of them are having problems and what they are.

I have been at demonstrations of JAWS, where Eric has stood or sat along side or behind the monitor, and not been able to see what the monitor is displaying, yet, giving an excellent demonstration on how to use JAWS.

Several years ago, during a visit to the UK, I met someone there who is sighted and who claimed to be able to train visually impaired people to use JAWS. I asked them, if they could use JAWS in the same way that a person who has no sight at all or who has limited vision would have to do, that is without a monitor. When this person said that they could not, I said that, in my opinion, they were not qualified to teach JAWS to any visually impaired person, because they had not even made the attempt to try and use a computer without a monitor. I went on to say that they might be able to teach the commands but, unless they could use JAWS in the same way as a user of JAWS would have to do, they had no street credibility and, to use an American saying, "nice try, but no cigar". I pointed out that what they were doing was no different, than a person who had no sight at all and, with no experience, attempting to teach someone who had sight to drive a car.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
To: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>; "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That always helps too.

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I can validate that. I've had a couple conversations with Eric trying to solve problems that tech support and John Carson couldn't solve, and he does know his way around Jaws like a blind person. The old phrase, "those who can do, and those who can't teach" is idiotic. Unless you can do something, and do it well, you're not qualified to teach.

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Chris and everyone:

Eric Damery is not blind. He is sighted.

Having said that, unlike so many sighted people who attempt to train visually impaired people to use JAWS, Eric knows as nuch, if not more about JAWS than anyone, plus, he can use JAWS without a monitor.

I have seen Eric, walk into a room where there are a number of peple using JAWS, assess what they are doing and, within a few seconds, even though there are no monitores turned on, he can tell which of them are having problems and what they are.

I have been at demonstrations of JAWS, where Eric has stood or sat along side or behind the monitor, and not been able to see what the monitor is displaying, yet, giving an excellent demonstration on how to use JAWS.

Several years ago, during a visit to the UK, I met someone there who is sighted and who claimed to be able to train visually impaired people to use JAWS. I asked them, if they could use JAWS in the same way that a person who has no sight at all or who has limited vision would have to do, that is without a monitor. When this person said that they could not, I said that, in my opinion, they were not qualified to teach JAWS to any visually impaired person, because they had not even made the attempt to try and use a computer without a monitor. I went on to say that they might be able to teach the commands but, unless they could use JAWS in the same way as a user of JAWS would have to do, they had no street credibility and, to use an American saying, "nice try, but no cigar". I pointed out that what they were doing was no different, than a person who had no sight at all and, with no experience, attempting to teach someone who had sight to drive a car.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@...>
To: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>; "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That always helps too.

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Dorothy <dorothy.ingram-gorban@...>
 

interesting response, do you know if dan clark is sighted or not? re Eric,
it took a bright young man named wil pearson to solve atough question, or
rather I should say explain why eric's suggestions could not work, and
another person named Bryan carver director of technical support say why it
would not and could notb e fixed,but it took a long time to get any answer,
a director called Lee Hamilton listened to me ran tests and in the end
Bryan carver telephoned me so do not be afraid to go to the top, mind you it
took persistance, and you will not be popular for doing it thanks dorothy!
, and you may not be populare

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Dave Scrimenti
Sent: 15 July 2011 21:01
To: Dave Durber; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

I can validate that. I've had a couple conversations with Eric trying to
solve problems that tech support and John Carson couldn't solve, and he does

know his way around Jaws like a blind person. The old phrase, "those who can

do, and those who can't teach" is idiotic. Unless you can do something, and
do it well, you're not qualified to teach.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Chris and everyone:

Eric Damery is not blind. He is sighted.

Having said that, unlike so many sighted people who attempt to train
visually impaired people to use JAWS, Eric knows as nuch, if not more
about JAWS than anyone, plus, he can use JAWS without a monitor.

I have seen Eric, walk into a room where there are a number of peple using
JAWS, assess what they are doing and, within a few seconds, even though
there are no monitores turned on, he can tell which of them are having
problems and what they are.

I have been at demonstrations of JAWS, where Eric has stood or sat along
side or behind the monitor, and not been able to see what the monitor is
displaying, yet, giving an excellent demonstration on how to use JAWS.

Several years ago, during a visit to the UK, I met someone there who is
sighted and who claimed to be able to train visually impaired people to
use JAWS. I asked them, if they could use JAWS in the same way that a
person who has no sight at all or who has limited vision would have to do,
that is without a monitor. When this person said that they could not, I
said that, in my opinion, they were not qualified to teach JAWS to any
visually impaired person, because they had not even made the attempt to
try and use a computer without a monitor. I went on to say that they
might be able to teach the commands but, unless they could use JAWS in the
same way as a user of JAWS would have to do, they had no street
credibility and, to use an American saying, "nice try, but no cigar". I
pointed out that what they were doing was no different, than a person who
had no sight at all and, with no experience, attempting to teach someone
who had sight to drive a car.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

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To: "Farfar on Laptop" <dgcarlson@...>; "The Jaws for Windows
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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Thanks Dave. Yeah, may as well go right to the top. :)

Just curious, is he blind and an actual user of the product? That always
helps too.

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Have you had a reply yet I wonder? dorothy

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: 15 July 2011 16:13
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Daniel,

I think I agree with your points, but reading your message I ran out of
breath and passed out on the floor, wondering where your and, and, and, and,

and run-on fragments were going to finally end.

Seriously and aside from grammar, send your concerns, along with some full
stops to support@...

And don't forget the dot in dot com. [full stop]

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel McGee" <venables134@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:03
Subject: Re: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)


Hi guys, I agree to. Programmes for a start like updating the parts for
firefox for those who like using it, and for thoes who use live mail the
part where one replys to a mail still isn't proaply working cos I still have
to turn off the virtual viewer it doesn't bovver me but I am thinking for
those who will come to use the programme in the future and for some of those
jaws users it might be new to jaws and when they suddenly find out that when
replying to a message and hear the two popping sounds and start typing well
they will be out of luck and for the newbies they might of not of even heard
of the virtual curser and therefore be misled thinking oh I can't reply to
this person and might automaticly asume that ok this programme is
inaccessible with jaws. Do you all see what I mean?
Thanks
Daniel

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From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@...>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:03 PM
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

As another grandpa I just want to put in my two cents. I agree that
things like researchit may be nice for a lot of people and maybe for a
few people find it useful on the job but personally I would like them to
go back to producing a good stable product.
This "now it work and now it doesn't" puts a huge strain on people in the
workplace and the workplace is tough enough as it is.
If it worked in one version and not in the next FS should be clear about
what they are doing. Are they supporting this or they not. If they are
not going to support a product they should be up front about and announce
it publicly not just jerk every one around.
I have been a long time user of jaws and I actually like the product I
just think SF needs to adjust their attitude and priorities.

Tom Bisset

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From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: July 14, 2011 10:26 PM
To: 'Farfar on Laptop'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Hi Grampa,
I agree that FS should get Excel and Access up and working first then play
with ReasearchIt.
Now, in all fairness, I do like the ReasearchIt function and use them
daily but I would much rather be able to get to Access.
Cy, Another Grampa.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:57 PM
To: Eric Damrey
Cc: JFW Mailing List
Subject: Fw: researchIt and Job-Access-With-Speech (JAWS)

Hello Eric,

I received this announcement from you on our list, shared by one of our
subscribers. I wonder why you didn't post a similar message on our list?
Jfw@...

Also my inputs do not lean in the direction that you are suggesting in
your
message. I for one would much rather FS focus on getting JAWS more stable
with critical applications than to further do repairs on ResearchIt
capability to harvest sports scores.

I have written to FS Support on a number of occasions on bugs that have
cropped up in various versions of JAWS, most notably in JAWS 12 where the
update after 12.0.525 caused Excel 2007 to crash. I reported this and the
"fix" did not work at all. I've continued to stick with 12.0.525 as a
result
so I can get my work done.

Further I've pointed out that the implementation of the virtual ribbon in
Excel, Word, and Outlook is flawed and inconsistent w/r the QAT. In Excel
the QAT works differently in virtual ribbon mode than with Outlook and
Word.
Moreover a few key Excel JAWS shortcuts were removed (intentionally?
accidentally?) from the .JKM file in version 12 so that I could no longer
read the top 4 column cells. Those keystrokes were given over to the QAT,
I
believed. I had to copy the script functions from a JAWS 11 .JSS filed and
paste into the JAWS 12 file and recompile, and then reassign the
Ctrl+Shift+1, 2, 3, and 4 keys.

That type of work should not have been necessary for the end user to do.

I am so imbued with the strength of using the QAT that I keep the virtual
ribbon turned off now. I continue to improve on using the ribbon and only
turn on VR when I just can't find a function. Then it's off again.

I think FS needs to take a long look with a wide perspective, on the
Office
applications, the QAT, and the VR to come up with a consistent approach to
having them all work together, and all work the same.

Thanks for listening.

Dave Carlson
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----- Original Message -----
From: jaws-users-list-bounces@...
[mailto:jaws-users-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Eric Damery
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@...
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS updated, regarding the MLB problems in
Research It

Greetings all,

Nobody is more disappointed to have lost the MLB option in Research It
more
than I am. Especially when you consider the tight race in the American
League East where my Sox are doing battle once again with the Yanks and
the
Rays. Anyway, here is the scoop on what has happened.
About a week or 10 days ago, ESPN made modifications to how they expose
sports results in an effort to block many different products that had been
tapping into ESPN to get the info in real time and display it. We believe
this was done in an effort to get more organizations to purchase access to
the data and prevent anyone from getting it otherwise. This will not only
impact MLB on Research It, but all of the sports.

We have been investigating the MLB site itself and many other places like
YAHOO but so far, have not found any site that exposes the information
away
that will work. We are also reaching out to ESPN and trying to explain who
we are and what we are doing in order to see if we can get them to work
with
us. If any of you who use Research It to get access to daily scores would
be
willing, please write to them at:
https://r.espn.go.com/members/contact/index

Please be polite and remember, they are not targeting JAWS and Research It
when they make these changes. It would be helpful to explain to them how
beneficial it has been to use Research It in order to get the scores and
schedules without having to weed through all the extra information
presented
on very busy web pages. I'm sure that together, we can all work this out
and
FS will get this fixed and working again as quickly as possible.

Regards,
Eric Damery
www.freedomscientific.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:02 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.

Ken, I talked with someone from FS about the MLB scores feature not
working,
and they told me that ESPN was going to charge them to continue using
them,
so they are now looking for someone else. They say they're working on
fixing the problem, but the scores feature hasn't worked in a month now.
Doesn't appear they're in a big hurry.
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: research isn't clicking the full forecast link in weather.


Hi list, for the last few days I can't get research it to click the full
forecast link in weather. also am not getting to read MLB scores. it
says clearly type using the Date in a dd/mm/yyy format but it is saying
research it found now results. Now that newsline is using the ticker on
the AP feed it's easier to use research it. any ideas?
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