----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: keystroke to reply directly to senderRe: Admin: Mailmaystillbedelayed for some.

You don't mean control-shift-r, I think. You mean JAWS key-shift-r.

The simplest way of getting to the "From" field in both OE and Outlook is by
pressing alt and while that is held down, twice quickly the 1 key above the
letters.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of inthane
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 9:20 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: keystroke to reply directly to senderRe: Admin: Mail
maystillbedelayed for some.

for any who need the information, if the shift control r does not give you a
reply addressed to the Email sender there may be two reasons for this, one
may well be that the person has his personnel settings for the list set to
not give out his address to the general list; the other seems to be a
failure of jaws due to who knows what criteria.

to take care of this, instead of hitting control shift and R, hit the
applications key and enter on properties for the message. with the jaws
cursor you can see there should be a return address in the general
properties area/tab, you can also "virtualize " the screen and use your
regular pc cursor to find, and in fact this is a better way to see it since
you can also highlight and copy the return address and then paste it into a
new message to send to the person who originally sent the message.


if this doesn't work, there is another way but that is a long to do, and
I'll hand that one out to folks on a one on one message basis, all this is
legal, but some folks do want there address kept as quiet as possible and
giving away all my crafty little secrets is no fun! smile

HTH,
inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'Douglas Richard Dexheimer'" <drichardd@...>; "'The Jaws for
Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:02 AM
Subject: RE: keystroke to reply directly to senderRe: Admin: Mail may
stillbedelayed for some.

No, Douglas. Insert-shift-r is reply to sender. It doesn't add the sender
to
the address book. At least, it doesn't in my experience, and I've never
read
anywhere that it's supposed to. This is the one part of his sad message
that
he got right. However, it doesn't work for many users, as has frequently
been reported on this list.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 11:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: keystroke to reply directly to senderRe: Admin: Mail may still
bedelayed for some.

That keystroke is a shortcut alternative to adding the original sender to
one's address book and forwarding a list message to that sender. Thanks
Shane.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Davidson" <shane@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Why should he hand things to you on a silver pladder?
Read the from field, or even better, your oln this list, you use jaws, so
instead of pressing ctrl+r press shift+JAWSKey+R and then compose your
reply.
Watch what happens.
That's right, the list won't have to seee you wine, the original poster
will
see it.
So, find a message from james, hit that keystroke, compose your message,
send, and quit wining on this list.
He's specifically asked it, multiple times, and this is getting oold.
No wonder most of the blind community is jobless, most of them, want it
all
handed to them on a silver pladder just like mommy and daddy did for them
as
children.
Sorry people, that's not how the real world works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:53 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Shane, this was a politely stated request based on real problems people
are
having unsubscribing, as others are having in trying to get back on the
list. I have written to James to suggest he provide his direct email
address
in link form on his posts. Otherwise, it's hard for people who have been
away from the list to know how to contact him or Jessica, the other
moderator.

Your messages on this subject have been immoderate. Please try to be
civil
out of respect for the rest of us.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Shane Davidson
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 9:51 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

He specifically asked for off list. Please do so.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 1, 2011, at 9:00 AM, "Edwin E. Staudt III"
<ed@...>
wrote:

James,

Please unsubscribe me from the list. I apologize for the request, but

have

made attempts to unsubscribe from the Website several times, receive
confirmation, but the action fails to complete.

Thanks for the help and Good Luck going forward.

Ed

Edwin E. Staudt III, Ph.D.
VP for Corporate Services
virtual vision Technologies
www.VirtualVisionTech.com
610. 734-0711
484. 461-8724 FAX
National Woman Owned Small Business
NWOBC Certification # CMA 4879
SWaM Certification Number: 657637

The Power of Technology & Training for Educating & Employing Disabled
Persons Ed@...

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 6:03 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Folks,

If you were subscribed to this list after the move, it was because
your email address was on this list's previous incarnation, most
likely over on freelists.org. That list was moved to a new location,
which subsequently required a second move when that location became no
longer an option. You have the option of unsubscribing, or asking me
*off-list* to do so for

you.

Complaining about being on the list, especially by way of posting
messages to that list, does not a solution make.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Rocky Kahn
Sent: July 1, 2011 5:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Many people (including myself) have followed his instructions to

unsubscribe

(opt-out) but continue to receive all messages. Asking folks to
receive

an

indefinite amount of spam so that others can have continuity of posts

seems

like a raw deal. Spammer can make a similar rationalization, some
people like my posts so screw everyone else.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 00:40, inthane <inthaneelf@...> wrote:

and if you fracking read his email you would know he has made an
offer to folks to fix this, so go find it and read idiot!

and he did this to prevent folks from loosing continuity of posts
from

the

list,

to you it seems to be acting like spam, to most of us its a
continuation

of

the messages from the list and things are running fine!

inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of
an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.**alacorncomputer.com
<http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Kahn"
<rocky@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:23 AM

Subject: Re: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.


James,

Your opt-out unsubscribe process is not working. Instead, please
send

out

an email asking who would like to subscribe in future (opt-in),
clear

out

your subscriber database, and only add back in those who ask to be

added.

I'm marking all these emails as spam but because incoming messages
come from many different users, even marking them as spam isn't
working. Your maillist is acting like a spambot and you're not
recognizing the impact you're having on others.

Rocky



On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:10, James Homuth <james@...> wrote:

All,

After the emergency shuffle of yesterday/today, we're still

experiencing

some DNS related issues with list subscribers. Those issues are
beyond

my

control, but are slowly resolving themselves. However, until they
do completely, mail may be delayed for some users. I'll appologise
in advance, but know I'm keeping an eye on it from here and will
update when I know more about when we'll be back to normal.

James,
List Admin
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-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:39 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: keystroke to reply directly to sender

Control+shift+r replies to all for any message; control+r replies to the
sender of a regular individual personal message; insert+shif+r replies to
the original sender of a list message when control+r replies to the whole
list. Hope everyone has this straight now.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: keystroke to reply directly to senderRe: Admin:
Mailmaystillbedelayed for some.

You don't mean control-shift-r, I think. You mean JAWS key-shift-r.

The simplest way of getting to the "From" field in both OE and Outlook is
by
pressing alt and while that is held down, twice quickly the 1 key above
the
letters.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of inthane
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 9:20 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: keystroke to reply directly to senderRe: Admin: Mail
maystillbedelayed for some.

for any who need the information, if the shift control r does not give you

a
reply addressed to the Email sender there may be two reasons for this, one
may well be that the person has his personnel settings for the list set to
not give out his address to the general list; the other seems to be a
failure of jaws due to who knows what criteria.

to take care of this, instead of hitting control shift and R, hit the
applications key and enter on properties for the message. with the jaws
cursor you can see there should be a return address in the general
properties area/tab, you can also "virtualize " the screen and use your
regular pc cursor to find, and in fact this is a better way to see it
since
you can also highlight and copy the return address and then paste it into
a
new message to send to the person who originally sent the message.


if this doesn't work, there is another way but that is a long to do, and
I'll hand that one out to folks on a one on one message basis, all this is
legal, but some folks do want there address kept as quiet as possible and
giving away all my crafty little secrets is no fun! smile

HTH,
inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@...>
To: "'Douglas Richard Dexheimer'" <drichardd@...>; "'The Jaws
for
Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:02 AM
Subject: RE: keystroke to reply directly to senderRe: Admin: Mail may
stillbedelayed for some.

No, Douglas. Insert-shift-r is reply to sender. It doesn't add the sender
to
the address book. At least, it doesn't in my experience, and I've never
read
anywhere that it's supposed to. This is the one part of his sad message
that
he got right. However, it doesn't work for many users, as has frequently
been reported on this list.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 11:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: keystroke to reply directly to senderRe: Admin: Mail may still
bedelayed for some.

That keystroke is a shortcut alternative to adding the original sender to
one's address book and forwarding a list message to that sender. Thanks
Shane.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
773-409-6163
cell 913-244-0612
drichardd@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Davidson" <shane@...>
To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <jfw@...>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Why should he hand things to you on a silver pladder?
Read the from field, or even better, your oln this list, you use jaws,
so
instead of pressing ctrl+r press shift+JAWSKey+R and then compose your
reply.
Watch what happens.
That's right, the list won't have to seee you wine, the original poster
will
see it.
So, find a message from james, hit that keystroke, compose your message,
send, and quit wining on this list.
He's specifically asked it, multiple times, and this is getting oold.
No wonder most of the blind community is jobless, most of them, want it
all
handed to them on a silver pladder just like mommy and daddy did for
them
as
children.
Sorry people, that's not how the real world works.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:53 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Shane, this was a politely stated request based on real problems people
are
having unsubscribing, as others are having in trying to get back on the
list. I have written to James to suggest he provide his direct email
address
in link form on his posts. Otherwise, it's hard for people who have been
away from the list to know how to contact him or Jessica, the other
moderator.

Your messages on this subject have been immoderate. Please try to be
civil
out of respect for the rest of us.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Shane Davidson
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 9:51 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

He specifically asked for off list. Please do so.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 1, 2011, at 9:00 AM, "Edwin E. Staudt III"
<ed@...>
wrote:

James,

Please unsubscribe me from the list. I apologize for the request, but

have

made attempts to unsubscribe from the Website several times, receive
confirmation, but the action fails to complete.

Thanks for the help and Good Luck going forward.

Ed

Edwin E. Staudt III, Ph.D.
VP for Corporate Services
virtual vision Technologies
www.VirtualVisionTech.com
610. 734-0711
484. 461-8724 FAX
National Woman Owned Small Business
NWOBC Certification # CMA 4879
SWaM Certification Number: 657637

The Power of Technology & Training for Educating & Employing Disabled
Persons Ed@...

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 6:03 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Folks,

If you were subscribed to this list after the move, it was because
your email address was on this list's previous incarnation, most
likely over on freelists.org. That list was moved to a new location,
which subsequently required a second move when that location became no
longer an option. You have the option of unsubscribing, or asking me
*off-list* to do so for

you.

Complaining about being on the list, especially by way of posting
messages to that list, does not a solution make.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@...
[mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Rocky Kahn
Sent: July 1, 2011 5:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.

Many people (including myself) have followed his instructions to

unsubscribe

(opt-out) but continue to receive all messages. Asking folks to
receive

an

indefinite amount of spam so that others can have continuity of posts

seems

like a raw deal. Spammer can make a similar rationalization, some
people like my posts so screw everyone else.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 00:40, inthane <inthaneelf@...>
wrote:

and if you fracking read his email you would know he has made an
offer to folks to fix this, so go find it and read idiot!

and he did this to prevent folks from loosing continuity of posts
from

the

list,

to you it seems to be acting like spam, to most of us its a
continuation

of

the messages from the list and things are running fine!

inthane
. Moderator, Blind Access Help.
. Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of
an alacorn"
www.alacorncomputer.com
. proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag
for blind computer users and Programmers!
http://grabbag.**alacorncomputer.com
<http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Kahn"
<rocky@...>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:23 AM

Subject: Re: Admin: Mail may still be delayed for some.


James,

Your opt-out unsubscribe process is not working. Instead, please
send

out

an email asking who would like to subscribe in future (opt-in),
clear

out

your subscriber database, and only add back in those who ask to be

added.

I'm marking all these emails as spam but because incoming messages
come from many different users, even marking them as spam isn't
working. Your maillist is acting like a spambot and you're not
recognizing the impact you're having on others.

Rocky



On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:10, James Homuth <james@...>
wrote:

All,

After the emergency shuffle of yesterday/today, we're still

experiencing

some DNS related issues with list subscribers. Those issues are
beyond

my

control, but are slowly resolving themselves. However, until they
do completely, mail may be delayed for some users. I'll appologise
in advance, but know I'm keeping an eye on it from here and will
update when I know more about when we'll be back to normal.

James,
List Admin
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