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Brian Vogel
 

I apologize in advance if this is a duplicate, but I am not seeing the original I thought I'd sent in the archive.

I have a new client who has JAWS 2018 and wants to use wikipedia.  Given that many wikipedia pages have an absolutely huge number of click-through links embedded in the text, they do not read well in that native form, as you are constantly having the flow of the material interrupted by "Link" before the actual text.  Is there an easy way to make JAWS ignore click-though links while reading a wikipedia page until or unless you want it to announce them?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brian. I don’t know any easy way to turn off announcing of links in JAWS. Even turning off attributes doesn’t turn off this announcement.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

I apologize in advance if this is a duplicate, but I am not seeing the original I thought I'd sent in the archive.

I have a new client who has JAWS 2018 and wants to use wikipedia.  Given that many wikipedia pages have an absolutely huge number of click-through links embedded in the text, they do not read well in that native form, as you are constantly having the flow of the material interrupted by "Link" before the actual text.  Is there an easy way to make JAWS ignore click-though links while reading a wikipedia page until or unless you want it to announce them?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
John Covici
 

What if you use the reader mode in firefox or chrome? Would not that
do what you want?

On Wed, 23 May 2018 21:28:57 -0400,
Bill White wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
Hi, Brian. I don’t know any easy way to turn off announcing of links in JAWS. Even turning off attributes doesn’t turn off this announcement.



Bill White

billwhite92701@...



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia



I apologize in advance if this is a duplicate, but I am not seeing the original I thought I'd sent in the archive.

I have a new client who has JAWS 2018 and wants to use wikipedia. Given that many wikipedia pages have an absolutely huge number of click-through links embedded in the text, they do not read well in that native form, as you are
constantly having the flow of the material interrupted by "Link" before the actual text. Is there an easy way to make JAWS ignore click-though links while reading a wikipedia page until or unless you want it to announce them?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the
earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, John. I think in Reader Mode, JAWS still says Link.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 7:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

What if you use the reader mode in firefox or chrome? Would not that
do what you want?

On Wed, 23 May 2018 21:28:57 -0400,
Bill White wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
[2 <text/html; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
Hi, Brian. I don?t know any easy way to turn off announcing of links in
JAWS. Even turning off attributes doesn?t turn off this announcement.



Bill White

billwhite92701@...



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia



I apologize in advance if this is a duplicate, but I am not seeing the
original I thought I'd sent in the archive.

I have a new client who has JAWS 2018 and wants to use wikipedia. Given
that many wikipedia pages have an absolutely huge number of click-through
links embedded in the text, they do not read well in that native form, as
you are
constantly having the flow of the material interrupted by "Link" before
the actual text. Is there an easy way to make JAWS ignore click-though
links while reading a wikipedia page until or unless you want it to announce
them?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and
many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome,
charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one
little corner of the
earth all one's lifetime.

~ Mark Twain

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...
Steve Griffiths
 


Hi Brian,

 

I don't know if you can do this if you want to arrow through a page, but you can do it for the SayAll command; search for Scheme in the Quick Settings dialogue (JAWSKey + V) and set it to SayAll Text Only.

 

Thanks,

Steve 🐾

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 24 May 2018 02:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

Hi, Brian. I don’t know any easy way to turn off announcing of links in JAWS. Even turning off attributes doesn’t turn off this announcement.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

I apologize in advance if this is a duplicate, but I am not seeing the original I thought I'd sent in the archive.

I have a new client who has JAWS 2018 and wants to use wikipedia.  Given that many wikipedia pages have an absolutely huge number of click-through links embedded in the text, they do not read well in that native form, as you are constantly having the flow of the material interrupted by "Link" before the actual text.  Is there an easy way to make JAWS ignore click-though links while reading a wikipedia page until or unless you want it to announce them?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain

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Brian Vogel
 

Steve,

            Thanks very much.  Even if it's only for Say All that's really the only circumstance I'm concerned about since you can start and stop Say All at will.

             I figured there had to be some way to do this, as there are many pages, including many newspapers, where if all you wanted to do was get a read through of an article as though you were reading the actual newspaper you'd want to turn link announcements off during that reading.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
James Malone
 

Hi Brian,

This might be a long shot, but would flexable web work in this instants?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

Steve,

            Thanks very much.  Even if it's only for Say All that's really the only circumstance I'm concerned about since you can start and stop Say All at will.

             I figured there had to be some way to do this, as there are many pages, including many newspapers, where if all you wanted to do was get a read through of an article as though you were reading the actual newspaper you'd want to turn link announcements off during that reading.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
Brian Vogel
 

James, the "flexible web" feature is something I have never heard of and have no familiarity with.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
Cristóbal
 

My scheme is “say all with sounds”. Instead of the word “link” being announced for every link, there’s a slight and unobtrusive click noise indicating that a link is present.

My only complain about this particular scheme is that there’s no differentiating sound for visited links. Otherwise, it works for me.

TO quickly switch between schemes, I use the Jaws command alt plus insert plus S to bring up the associated combo box. I know you can go into the Jaws settings to really dig deep into schemes, but bleh.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

Steve,

            Thanks very much.  Even if it's only for Say All that's really the only circumstance I'm concerned about since you can start and stop Say All at will.

             I figured there had to be some way to do this, as there are many pages, including many newspapers, where if all you wanted to do was get a read through of an article as though you were reading the actual newspaper you'd want to turn link announcements off during that reading.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I can’t remember when it was introduced, probably in Jaws 16 or so, if you go back through the list of FS Casts you’ll find one which goes over it and of course there is documentation in the Jaws help topics.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

James, the "flexible web" feature is something I have never heard of and have no familiarity with.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I think the answer here are reader modes such as are available on iOS or in the Edge browser and also with extensions like “Just Read” in Chrome. I assume Firefox mahy have them as well. These are supposed to just present the text of an article without any interruptive links and other stuff.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

Steve,

            Thanks very much.  Even if it's only for Say All that's really the only circumstance I'm concerned about since you can start and stop Say All at will.

             I figured there had to be some way to do this, as there are many pages, including many newspapers, where if all you wanted to do was get a read through of an article as though you were reading the actual newspaper you'd want to turn link announcements off during that reading.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, James. I don’t think Flexible Web would work in this instance. Flexible Web is for telling JAWS which sections of a web page to display. It doesn’t change which elements of that page will be announced, or how they are to be announced.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 7:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

Hi Brian,

This might be a long shot, but would flexable web work in this instants?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

Steve,

            Thanks very much.  Even if it's only for Say All that's really the only circumstance I'm concerned about since you can start and stop Say All at will.

             I figured there had to be some way to do this, as there are many pages, including many newspapers, where if all you wanted to do was get a read through of an article as though you were reading the actual newspaper you'd want to turn link announcements off during that reading.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
Douglas C. DeCamp
 

The web-rent-a-crowd scheme will acomphlish  the desired result here if you don’t mind the various voices it uses for headings & links.  I personally have always preferred this sound scheme and have used it for years.

  • Hth ---

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

Hi, James. I don’t think Flexible Web would work in this instance. Flexible Web is for telling JAWS which sections of a web page to display. It doesn’t change which elements of that page will be announced, or how they are to be announced.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 7:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

Hi Brian,

This might be a long shot, but would flexable web work in this instants?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

Steve,

            Thanks very much.  Even if it's only for Say All that's really the only circumstance I'm concerned about since you can start and stop Say All at will.

             I figured there had to be some way to do this, as there are many pages, including many newspapers, where if all you wanted to do was get a read through of an article as though you were reading the actual newspaper you'd want to turn link announcements off during that reading.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
Brian Vogel
 

Thank you to everyone who has replied, and may be yet to reply, for giving a range of options to address this issue.

I certainly wouldn't have known about any of them otherwise.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
CathyAnne Murtha <cathy@...>
 

You can do this using the “Say All” Scheme of the JAWS for Windows Quick Settings.

 

  1. Open the browser and focus on the page  you’d like to read
  2. Open JAWS for Windows Quick Settings (JAWS KEY-V)
  3. In the search-edit field, input ”Scheme” without the quotes. This searches for the “Say All” scheme
  4. Within the search results, focus on the first “Scheme” result. This is the Scheme for “Say All”
  5. Rotor among the options with SPACEBAR. You want to focus on “Say All Text Only”
  6. Navigate to the OK button and activate it to save the changes

 

You can now read the web page without link notifications. 

 

Return to the standard link echo by repeating the steps above but select “No Change.”

 

 

CathyAnne

 

 

CathyAnne Murtha

Access Technology Institute, LLC

cathy@...

www.blind.training

(520) 300-7859

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

Thank you to everyone who has replied, and may be yet to reply, for giving a range of options to address this issue.

I certainly wouldn't have known about any of them otherwise.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
Brian Vogel
 

Thanks CathyAnne.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
James Malone
 

Found it on the training book for Jaws. It became popular after Jaws 10.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2018 and Wikipedia

 

James, the "flexible web" feature is something I have never heard of and have no familiarity with.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

         ~ Mark Twain
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