main@jfw.groups.io | Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>

#40898

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.

Walt Smith

#40899

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>

#40900

I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than the
average person thanks to my decades of music performance and composition.
There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk email
folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and title to
me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps adjust a
buffer size, for example?

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.

Maria Campbell

#40901

I don't find too much lag in JAWS 17, but Narrator is terrible in that department in W10. I also find much lag when connecting via bluetooth. Most annoying.

Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 5/28/2016 12:08 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:

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I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than the
average person thanks to my decades of music performance and composition.
There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk email
folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and title to
me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps adjust a
buffer size, for example?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.

Jason White

#40902

Walt Smith <ka3lists@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if there's
something really busy going on: 
I'm not noticing any on a Windows 10 machine, but it's a very fast system and
I haven't run any applications that would consume a lot of memory and CPU
time.

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>

#40903

Another thing I've noticed -- when I press Jaws+F11 it does something odd,
and the list of tray programs won't come up. If I press it again, even after
some time has passed, I get a note that Jaws can't open it because it's
already open. Rebooting Jaws seems to fix this issue, so it's an
intermittent problem where only sometimes the program has trouble with this.
Sort of odd.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I don't find too much lag in JAWS 17, but Narrator is terrible in that
department in W10.  I also find much lag when connecting via bluetooth.
Most annoying.




Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1@gmail.com> 

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
On 5/28/2016 12:08 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:


	I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than
the
	average person thanks to my decades of music performance and
composition.
	There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk
email
	folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and
title to
	me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
	Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps
adjust a
	buffer size, for example?
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
	Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
	To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> 
	Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging
	
	Nicole -
	
	I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if
there's
	something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web
page
	loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying
to
	compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
	responsive than any prior version.
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
	Massey
	Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
	To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> 
	Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging
	
	Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7
on a
	Dell dual core machine.
	I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in
Outlook
	that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems
slower. It
	doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known
issue, or
	something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows
down
	things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it
seems more
	sluggish.

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>

#40904

Yeah, this happens to me even when it's only Outlook running. I've installed
the most recent updates, so that's not the problem of running something that
needs a patch.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Walt Smith <ka3lists@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if 
there's something really busy going on:
I'm not noticing any on a Windows 10 machine, but it's a very fast system
and I haven't run any applications that would consume a lot of memory and
CPU time.

Dave...

#40905

I reported to FS (or VFO) the following:

Since JAWS 17 last two minor builds, there is a 15 to 20 second delay when I 
press Ctrl+F to do a find in IE. I'm also using Windows 7 on a 32-bit 
machine. This has been annoying me for several weeks, and I finally reported 
it.

Furthermore, I find that if I shut down JAWS 17 and launch JAWS 15 there is 
absolutely no delay at all.

Same delay symptoms when invoking JAWS+F7 or JAWS+F5 in web pages. 15 to 20 
second delay before responding.

FS suggested I remove all my startup processes using MSConfig, and just 
enable JAWS. That fixed the problem, for now with JAWS 17. Now I'm asked by 
FS to start enabling my startup processes one at a time until I find one 
that is causing the problem. Essentially I'm doing the troubleshooting work 
for FS -- so be it.

Give that a try yourself and see if the delays or sluggishness disappear.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 09:08 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than the
average person thanks to my decades of music performance and composition.
There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk email
folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and title to
me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps adjust a
buffer size, for example?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.

Dave...

#40906

Nicole,

Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs. 
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. Wait 
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

Show quoted text

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 09:35 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Another thing I've noticed -- when I press Jaws+F11 it does something odd,
and the list of tray programs won't come up. If I press it again, even after
some time has passed, I get a note that Jaws can't open it because it's
already open. Rebooting Jaws seems to fix this issue, so it's an
intermittent problem where only sometimes the program has trouble with this.
Sort of odd.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I don't find too much lag in JAWS 17, but Narrator is terrible in that
department in W10.  I also find much lag when connecting via bluetooth.
Most annoying.

Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1@gmail.com>

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
On 5/28/2016 12:08 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:

I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than
the
average person thanks to my decades of music performance and
composition.
There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk
email
folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and
title to
me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps
adjust a
buffer size, for example?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if
there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web
page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying
to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7
on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in
Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems
slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known
issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows
down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it
seems more
sluggish.

Tom Behler

#40907

I, too, am having a problem with Jaws sluggishness with Outlook 2016.

It seems that as I continue to type an e-mail in Outlook, Jaws slows down in
terms of announcing my key strokes.  In fact, sometimes, it gets to the
point where Jaws totally freezes, and I have to wait a few seconds for it to
recover.

I can't consistently replicate the problem, or link it to anything else that
might be running on my computer at the time, so if anyone has any
suggestions, please let me know.

Again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 17 here on a Windows 7 64-bit
laptop.

I don't recall having this problem with Outlook 2010 and Jaws 16 on this
same computer prior to my software upgrades.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.

Tony

#40908

I have this a lot with Jaws 16 but it is a lost focus problem for me.

The list is open if I alt-tab a bit.  Very annoying.

Tony

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole,

Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs. 
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. Wait 
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 09:35 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Another thing I've noticed -- when I press Jaws+F11 it does something odd,
and the list of tray programs won't come up. If I press it again, even after
some time has passed, I get a note that Jaws can't open it because it's
already open. Rebooting Jaws seems to fix this issue, so it's an
intermittent problem where only sometimes the program has trouble with this.
Sort of odd.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I don't find too much lag in JAWS 17, but Narrator is terrible in that
department in W10.  I also find much lag when connecting via bluetooth.
Most annoying.

Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1@gmail.com>

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
On 5/28/2016 12:08 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:

I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than
the
average person thanks to my decades of music performance and
composition.
There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk
email
folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and
title to
me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps
adjust a
buffer size, for example?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if
there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web
page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying
to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7
on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in
Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems
slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known
issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows
down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it
seems more
sluggish.

Dave...

#40909

Tom,

Try a simple test. Use JAWS 16 for a while with everything else the same and 
see if the problem continues or abates.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I, too, am having a problem with Jaws sluggishness with Outlook 2016.

It seems that as I continue to type an e-mail in Outlook, Jaws slows down in
terms of announcing my key strokes.  In fact, sometimes, it gets to the
point where Jaws totally freezes, and I have to wait a few seconds for it to
recover.

I can't consistently replicate the problem, or link it to anything else that
might be running on my computer at the time, so if anyone has any
suggestions, please let me know.

Again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 17 here on a Windows 7 64-bit
laptop.

I don't recall having this problem with Outlook 2010 and Jaws 16 on this
same computer prior to my software upgrades.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.

Tom Behler

#40910

Can do, Dave, since I still have Jaws 16 on this machine.

I also thought of calling FS early next week, just to let them know about
the problem and to see what they say.

Tom Behler

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Tom,

Try a simple test. Use JAWS 16 for a while with everything else the same and
see if the problem continues or abates.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Behler" <tombehler@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I, too, am having a problem with Jaws sluggishness with Outlook 2016.

It seems that as I continue to type an e-mail in Outlook, Jaws slows down in
terms of announcing my key strokes.  In fact, sometimes, it gets to the
point where Jaws totally freezes, and I have to wait a few seconds for it to
recover.

I can't consistently replicate the problem, or link it to anything else that
might be running on my computer at the time, so if anyone has any
suggestions, please let me know.

Again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 17 here on a Windows 7 64-bit
laptop.

I don't recall having this problem with Outlook 2010 and Jaws 16 on this
same computer prior to my software upgrades.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>

#40911

Ugh, I'll look into that. Very nice of us to do troubleshooting for FS, free
of charge, isn't it?

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I reported to FS (or VFO) the following:

Since JAWS 17 last two minor builds, there is a 15 to 20 second delay when I
press Ctrl+F to do a find in IE. I'm also using Windows 7 on a 32-bit
machine. This has been annoying me for several weeks, and I finally reported
it.

Furthermore, I find that if I shut down JAWS 17 and launch JAWS 15 there is
absolutely no delay at all.

Same delay symptoms when invoking JAWS+F7 or JAWS+F5 in web pages. 15 to 20
second delay before responding.

FS suggested I remove all my startup processes using MSConfig, and just
enable JAWS. That fixed the problem, for now with JAWS 17. Now I'm asked by
FS to start enabling my startup processes one at a time until I find one
that is causing the problem. Essentially I'm doing the troubleshooting work
for FS -- so be it.

Give that a try yourself and see if the delays or sluggishness disappear.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 09:08 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than the
average person thanks to my decades of music performance and composition.
There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk email
folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and title to
me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps adjust a
buffer size, for example?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>

#40912

Oh, I've waited for 15-20 minutes and no joy. I'm going to start keeping
notes about this so I can submit a bug report.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole,

Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs. 
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. Wait 
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 09:35 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Another thing I've noticed -- when I press Jaws+F11 it does something odd,
and the list of tray programs won't come up. If I press it again, even after
some time has passed, I get a note that Jaws can't open it because it's
already open. Rebooting Jaws seems to fix this issue, so it's an
intermittent problem where only sometimes the program has trouble with this.
Sort of odd.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

I don't find too much lag in JAWS 17, but Narrator is terrible in that
department in W10.  I also find much lag when connecting via bluetooth.
Most annoying.

Maria Campbell
lucky1@gmail.com <mailto:lucky1@gmail.com>

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
On 5/28/2016 12:08 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:

I've noticed a lag. That said, I'm a lot more sensitive to time than
the
average person thanks to my decades of music performance and
composition.
There's a clear lag in Outlook -- I delete something from the junk
email
folder and there's a pause before Jaws reads the next sender and
title to
me, and it wasn't like that with 15.
Is there a way to make Jaws respond in a snappier way? Perhaps
adjust a
buffer size, for example?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walt Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole -

I'm running JAWS 17 on a Windows 7 system and only notice lagging if
there's
something really busy going on: things like a massively busy web
page
loading or mail coming into Outlook while I'm simultaneously trying
to
compose or read a message. Overall, though, I don't see it any less
responsive than any prior version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7
on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in
Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems
slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known
issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows
down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it
seems more
sluggish.

Jason White

#40913

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs. 
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. Wait 
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.
I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox) and
it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there won't
be so many different versions to deal with.

Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>

#40914

My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I
can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,
despite my apprehensions.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. 
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.
I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't be so many different versions to deal with.

Jason White

#40916

Nicole Massey <nyyki@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. This depends on the effectiveness of the automated accessibility testing, the
beta testing with users, and the bug fixing.

Microsoft just released open-source software for automatically testing the
accessibility of a browser that uses User Interface Automation - as Edge will
after the next upgrade.

How far the automated testing will extend remains to be seen, however.

At the moment, nobody (Apple, Google, GNOME or Microsoft) seems to be doing
proper testing before making releases or during development.

Having only one main operating system version to support will make it easier
for Windows screen reader developers though.

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>

#40917

Well, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Apples developed their own
screen reading software. I guess I feel that as long as FS and the others
keep at it, there's hope. Was the time we didn't get things until
obsolescence had set in. I won't say I don't get impatient; I do, but it is
still worlds better than it was, and it will continue to be even though it
might be at a snail's pace.
CL

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I
can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,
despite my apprehensions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. 
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.
I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't be so many different versions to deal with.

Tony

#40918

Actually, Jaws has become more of a problem than it used to be.  Back when
it was somewhere in the single digit release (I started with version 0 and
had a low 4 digit serial) I was able to do just about anything I needed with
Jaws.  Even graphics were mostly easy to work with.  Unfortunately, web and
software developers of today aren't willing to spend the three minutes it
would take to properly tag a webpage for accessibility.  And most of them
are proud they saved the boss that three minutes.  

If you can get to someone with the authority to correct the problem they
don't want to hear about it or where to find the accessibility
documentation.  Many sites that were a breeze three years ago, and workable
a year ago, are now margin at best.  Some sites that have not changed in the
past few years are likewise less accessible due to "improvements" made to
Jaws.

I haven't had any contact with Freedom Scientific in years but in the
distant past they would implement someone's brainstorm and not worry about
the side effects.  I once asked one of the techs how to read a progress bar.
He said to cut out a strip in a piece of cardboard, place it on the screen,
and use a light detector.  The job would have been completed before I got
the cardboard properly aligned.

My rant for the week.

Tony\

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Well, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Apples developed their own
screen reading software. I guess I feel that as long as FS and the others
keep at it, there's hope. Was the time we didn't get things until
obsolescence had set in. I won't say I don't get impatient; I do, but it is
still worlds better than it was, and it will continue to be even though it
might be at a snail's pace.
CL

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I
can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,
despite my apprehensions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. 
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.
I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't be so many different versions to deal with.