moderated JAWS voices


Andrew Diederick
 

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-


Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-


Owais Patel <owaisipatel@...>
 

Hi there. I to love Vocalizer Expressive specially version 2.2. The thing that I say about Voices not pronouncing things correct is that's where Braille becomes handy. If you have a Braille Display then as long as you can make sure that you've spelled things correctly voic pronounciation shouldn't matter. I like voices that sound more human sounding than those that can speak things really fast corrctly′ Thought it would be nice to share my thoughts on this.

Sincerely,
Owais

On Apr 14, 2018, at 10:28 PM, Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...> wrote:

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-



Mario
 

oh yes there is.

start the dictionary manager,
press control+shift+d if you want the changes to apply to all programs
you decide to use,
press tab to skip past the add button,
if the entry you want to "transfer" is in a language folder, arrow to it
and press right arrow to reveal it's entries.),
arrow to the entry you want to transfer,
note that there maybe entries that apply to all languages, which are not
found in any language folder but at the bottom of this list.

tab to and space bar on the change button or just press alt+c,
tab until you get to a language combo box or just press alt+l.
from here, you can make the appropriate changes including the next 2, 3,
or 4 combo boxes by subsequently tabbing to them and making the
appropriate choice,
and finally space barring on the ok button.

unfortunately, I know of no way to "transfer" a group of
words/pronunciations at one shot. it looks like you'll have to do each
one by one. tedious to say the least.

I hope this is what is wanted. good luck.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation
dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-









.


Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Mario. What I am saying is that, even if you put the same entries into the dictionary of the Vocalizer voices as they were in the Elequence voice, they won't be pronounced the same way as they were in Eloquence. This is because the Vocalizer voices pronounce the same groups of letters differently from the way Eloquence pronounces the same groups of letters.

I wasn't saying that there aren't pronunciation dictionaries for the Vocalizer voices, only that you will need to find completely different spellings to make the Vocalizer voices pronounce words the same way they were pronounced with Eloquence.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

oh yes there is.

start the dictionary manager,
press control+shift+d if you want the changes to apply to all programs
you decide to use,
press tab to skip past the add button,
if the entry you want to "transfer" is in a language folder, arrow to it
and press right arrow to reveal it's entries.),
arrow to the entry you want to transfer,
note that there maybe entries that apply to all languages, which are not
found in any language folder but at the bottom of this list.

tab to and space bar on the change button or just press alt+c,
tab until you get to a language combo box or just press alt+l.
from here, you can make the appropriate changes including the next 2, 3,
or 4 combo boxes by subsequently tabbing to them and making the
appropriate choice,
and finally space barring on the ok button.

unfortunately, I know of no way to "transfer" a group of
words/pronunciations at one shot. it looks like you'll have to do each
one by one. tedious to say the least.

I hope this is what is wanted. good luck.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation
dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-









.


Andrew Diederick
 

Hello all:
Thank you for the information. I was afraid that everything would have to be done one word at a time. I am not going to correct thousands of words in the jaws dictionary for a vocalizer voice. I hope the makers at freedom scientific never get rid of eloquence.

On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Hi, Mario. What I am saying is that, even if you put the same entries into the dictionary of the Vocalizer voices as they were in the Elequence voice, they won't be pronounced the same way as they were in Eloquence. This is because the Vocalizer voices pronounce the same groups of letters differently from the way Eloquence pronounces the same groups of letters.

I wasn't saying that there aren't pronunciation dictionaries for the Vocalizer voices, only that you will need to find completely different spellings to make the Vocalizer voices pronounce words the same way they were pronounced with Eloquence.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

oh yes there is.

start the dictionary manager,
press control+shift+d if you want the changes to apply to all programs
you decide to use,
press tab to skip past the add button,
if the entry you want to "transfer" is in a language folder, arrow to it
and press right arrow to reveal it's entries.),
arrow to the entry you want to transfer,
note that there maybe entries that apply to all languages, which are not
found in any language folder but at the bottom of this list.

tab to and space bar on the change button or just press alt+c,
tab until you get to a language combo box or just press alt+l.
from here, you can make the appropriate changes including the next 2, 3,
or 4 combo boxes by subsequently tabbing to them and making the
appropriate choice,
and finally space barring on the ok button.

unfortunately, I know of no way to "transfer" a group of
words/pronunciations at one shot. it looks like you'll have to do each
one by one. tedious to say the least.

I hope this is what is wanted. good luck.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation
dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-









.










Maria Campbell
 

Get rid of Eloquence?  Oh please! never!


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 4/15/2018 12:20 PM, Andrew Diederick wrote:
Hello all:
Thank you for the information. I was afraid that everything would have to be done one word at a time. I am not going to correct thousands of words in the jaws dictionary for a vocalizer voice. I hope the makers at freedom scientific never get rid of eloquence.
On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Hi, Mario. What I am saying is that, even if you put the same entries into the dictionary of the Vocalizer voices as they were in the Elequence voice, they won't be pronounced the same way as they were in Eloquence. This is because the Vocalizer voices pronounce the same groups of letters differently from the way Eloquence pronounces the same groups of letters.

I wasn't saying that there aren't pronunciation dictionaries for the Vocalizer voices, only that you will need to find completely different spellings to make the Vocalizer voices pronounce words the same way they were pronounced with Eloquence.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

oh yes there is.

start the dictionary manager,
press control+shift+d if you want the changes to apply to all programs
you decide to use,
press tab to skip past the add button,
if the entry you want to "transfer" is in a language folder, arrow to it
and press right arrow to reveal it's entries.),
arrow to the entry you want to transfer,
note that there maybe entries that apply to all languages, which are not
found in any language folder but at the bottom of this list.

tab to and space bar on the change button or just press alt+c,
tab until you get to a language combo box or just press alt+l.
from here, you can make the appropriate changes including the next 2, 3,
or 4 combo boxes by subsequently tabbing to them and making the
appropriate choice,
and finally space barring on the ok button.

unfortunately, I know of no way to "transfer" a group of
words/pronunciations at one shot. it looks like you'll have to do each
one by one. tedious to say the least.

I hope this is what is wanted. good luck.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation
dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew
Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-









.










Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Owais,

From time to time I try the Vocalizer voices and then I think that they soud good and they are very responsive and so on. But I always find myself backwith Eloquence because while it is not human sounding, it often pronounces things better than the human voices and I can use it very fast which for me is important. When I use my computer at my business I want to get things done and Jaws is strictly the tool for that. I think for you coming from a Mac where you are used to Alex and other human sounding voices it makes sense that youlike Vocalizer voices, but for me and many others who go way back to the late 80's and early 90's where there were no such voices it is different. We were all used to actual speech synthesizers like DecTalk, Accent or, God forbid, DoubleTalk, those things could really talk fast, but the quality was horrendous yet we got used to them. For all of us when Eloquence came along as the first software synthesizer with better sound quality it was like heaven. Human sounding voices are great, but just as real humans, they don't usually sound so good if they try to talk really fast.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Owais Patel
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 12:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

Hi there. I to love Vocalizer Expressive specially version 2.2. The thing that I say about Voices not pronouncing things correct is that's where Braille becomes handy. If you have a Braille Display then as long as you can make sure that you've spelled things correctly voic pronounciation shouldn't matter. I like voices that sound more human sounding than those that can speak things really fast corrctly′ Thought it would be nice to share my thoughts on this.

Sincerely,
Owais

On Apr 14, 2018, at 10:28 PM, Andrew Diederick <andrew.diederick@...> wrote:

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from using
the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the complete
pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer voice? -Andrew-



Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

That would be a sad day indeed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

Get rid of Eloquence?  Oh please! never!


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 4/15/2018 12:20 PM, Andrew Diederick wrote:
Hello all:
Thank you for the information. I was afraid that everything would have to be done one word at a time. I am not going to correct thousands of words in the jaws dictionary for a vocalizer voice. I hope the makers at freedom scientific never get rid of eloquence.
On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Hi, Mario. What I am saying is that, even if you put the same entries into the dictionary of the Vocalizer voices as they were in the Elequence voice, they won't be pronounced the same way as they were in Eloquence. This is because the Vocalizer voices pronounce the same groups of letters differently from the way Eloquence pronounces the same groups of letters.

I wasn't saying that there aren't pronunciation dictionaries for the Vocalizer voices, only that you will need to find completely different spellings to make the Vocalizer voices pronounce words the same way they were pronounced with Eloquence.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mario
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

oh yes there is.

start the dictionary manager,
press control+shift+d if you want the changes to apply to all
programs you decide to use, press tab to skip past the add button, if
the entry you want to "transfer" is in a language folder, arrow to it
and press right arrow to reveal it's entries.), arrow to the entry
you want to transfer, note that there maybe entries that apply to all
languages, which are not found in any language folder but at the
bottom of this list.

tab to and space bar on the change button or just press alt+c, tab
until you get to a language combo box or just press alt+l.
from here, you can make the appropriate changes including the next 2,
3, or 4 combo boxes by subsequently tabbing to them and making the
appropriate choice, and finally space barring on the ok button.

unfortunately, I know of no way to "transfer" a group of
words/pronunciations at one shot. it looks like you'll have to do
each one by one. tedious to say the least.

I hope this is what is wanted. good luck.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation
dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Andrew Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from
using the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the
complete pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer
voice? -Andrew-









.










Mario
 

ditto.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:49 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

That would be a sad day indeed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

Get rid of Eloquence?  Oh please! never!


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 4/15/2018 12:20 PM, Andrew Diederick wrote:
Hello all:
Thank you for the information. I was afraid that everything would have
to be done one word at a time. I am not going to correct thousands of
words in the jaws dictionary for a vocalizer voice. I hope the makers
at freedom scientific never get rid of eloquence.
On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
wrote:

Hi, Mario. What I am saying is that, even if you put the same entries
into the dictionary of the Vocalizer voices as they were in the
Elequence voice, they won't be pronounced the same way as they were in
Eloquence. This is because the Vocalizer voices pronounce the same
groups of letters differently from the way Eloquence pronounces the same
groups of letters.

I wasn't saying that there aren't pronunciation dictionaries for the
Vocalizer voices, only that you will need to find completely different
spellings to make the Vocalizer voices pronounce words the same way they
were pronounced with Eloquence.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mario
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS voices

oh yes there is.

start the dictionary manager,
press control+shift+d if you want the changes to apply to all
programs you decide to use, press tab to skip past the add button, if
the entry you want to "transfer" is in a language folder, arrow to it
and press right arrow to reveal it's entries.), arrow to the entry
you want to transfer, note that there maybe entries that apply to all
languages, which are not found in any language folder but at the
bottom of this list.

tab to and space bar on the change button or just press alt+c, tab
until you get to a language combo box or just press alt+l.
from here, you can make the appropriate changes including the next 2,
3, or 4 combo boxes by subsequently tabbing to them and making the
appropriate choice, and finally space barring on the ok button.

unfortunately, I know of no way to "transfer" a group of
words/pronunciations at one shot. it looks like you'll have to do
each one by one. tedious to say the least.

I hope this is what is wanted. good luck.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Sunday, Apr 15, 2018 12:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS voices

I don't think it is possible to transfer the Eloquence pronunciation
dictionaries to the Vocalizer engine.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Andrew Diederick
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:28 PM
To: main
Subject: JAWS voices

Hello All,

I have been a jaws user for almost 15 years now. I like the
vocalizer voices but do not care for their pronunciation. It is not
the same as eloquence. That is the only thing that stops me from
using the vocalizer voices. Does anyone know how to transfer the
complete pronunciation dictionary from eloquence to a vocalizer
voice? -Andrew-









.