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Moderated JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Ann Byrne
 

It does sound strange, but when I wrote FS about the table result, that was the instruction ... and it worked. I suppose a person could find the setting and change it from what it is to what is left, and that should work. (LOL)

At 01:21 PM 4/15/2018, you wrote:
Hi, Ann. I believe you mean the reverse. It needs to be changed from Copy Full Content to Copy from Vertual Cursor. Copy Full Content means that it will copy all formatting, including table layout.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 11:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

You can copy it into Word without the silly
tables by going into quick settings, virtual
cursor options, and changing the setting
"from virtual cursor"
to
"select and copy fulll content using screen highlight."



At 01:04 PM 4/15/2018, you wrote:
Yes. Instead of pasting it into Word, paste it
into Notepad. The table will go away. It will be straight text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

thanks, everyone. Just one question: I use JAWS OCR in such situations
sometimes. However, when I paste the result into a word document, it
appears in the form of a table. Is there any way to prevent this?

On 15/04/2018, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
Convenient OCR was introduced in Jaws 2013.
Using the "Recognize with Jaws" option from
the context menu is not what I
would call "Opening the PDF". Yes, it will
perform the OCR and display the
result in the PDF viewer, but you aren't
actually opening the file. I always
try Adobe first and only use the Jaws OCR feature if the document doesn't
read or only partially reads. I get a lot of invoices from supplier and
often they open up and seem accessible but then I sometimes realize it's
only the invoice header and all the information about the products
(description, quantity, price and so on) are missing. If I then bring up
Jaws OCR and let it do its thing I can
usually get this information and more
often than not properly presented in a table.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Steve,
I'm not sure that is any more direct than
opening it in Adobe and using the
OCR keystrokes.
I knew one could do that, but I thought the
person was wanting a way to do
it from Adobe.
I learned from Ann that the OCR was
available at least as far back as Jaws
16.
As you know, Im fairly new to using Jaws ...

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but t to make the world
quieter.â€
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Ann. I believe you mean the reverse. It needs to be changed from Copy Full Content to Copy from Vertual Cursor. Copy Full Content means that it will copy all formatting, including table layout.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 11:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

You can copy it into Word without the silly
tables by going into quick settings, virtual
cursor options, and changing the setting
"from virtual cursor"
to
"select and copy fulll content using screen highlight."



At 01:04 PM 4/15/2018, you wrote:
Yes. Instead of pasting it into Word, paste it
into Notepad. The table will go away. It will be straight text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

thanks, everyone. Just one question: I use JAWS OCR in such situations
sometimes. However, when I paste the result into a word document, it
appears in the form of a table. Is there any way to prevent this?

On 15/04/2018, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
Convenient OCR was introduced in Jaws 2013.
Using the "Recognize with Jaws" option from the context menu is not what I
would call "Opening the PDF". Yes, it will perform the OCR and display the
result in the PDF viewer, but you aren't
actually opening the file. I always
try Adobe first and only use the Jaws OCR feature if the document doesn't
read or only partially reads. I get a lot of invoices from supplier and
often they open up and seem accessible but then I sometimes realize it's
only the invoice header and all the information about the products
(description, quantity, price and so on) are missing. If I then bring up
Jaws OCR and let it do its thing I can
usually get this information and more
often than not properly presented in a table.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Steve,
I'm not sure that is any more direct than opening it in Adobe and using the
OCR keystrokes.
I knew one could do that, but I thought the person was wanting a way to do
it from Adobe.
I learned from Ann that the OCR was available at least as far back as Jaws
16.
As you know, Im fairly new to using Jaws ...

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.â€
Ann Byrne
 

You can copy it into Word without the silly tables by going into quick settings, virtual cursor options, and changing the setting
"from virtual cursor"
to
"select and copy fulll content using screen highlight."

At 01:04 PM 4/15/2018, you wrote:
Yes. Instead of pasting it into Word, paste it into Notepad. The table will go away. It will be straight text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

thanks, everyone. Just one question: I use JAWS OCR in such situations
sometimes. However, when I paste the result into a word document, it
appears in the form of a table. Is there any way to prevent this?

On 15/04/2018, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
Convenient OCR was introduced in Jaws 2013.
Using the "Recognize with Jaws" option from the context menu is not what I
would call "Opening the PDF". Yes, it will perform the OCR and display the
result in the PDF viewer, but you aren't
actually opening the file. I always
try Adobe first and only use the Jaws OCR feature if the document doesn't
read or only partially reads. I get a lot of invoices from supplier and
often they open up and seem accessible but then I sometimes realize it's
only the invoice header and all the information about the products
(description, quantity, price and so on) are missing. If I then bring up
Jaws OCR and let it do its thing I can
usually get this information and more
often than not properly presented in a table.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Steve,
I'm not sure that is any more direct than opening it in Adobe and using the
OCR keystrokes.
I knew one could do that, but I thought the person was wanting a way to do
it from Adobe.
I learned from Ann that the OCR was available at least as far back as Jaws
16.
As you know, Im fairly new to using Jaws ...

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.â€
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Yes. Instead of pasting it into Word, paste it into Notepad. The table will go away. It will be straight text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

thanks, everyone. Just one question: I use JAWS OCR in such situations
sometimes. However, when I paste the result into a word document, it
appears in the form of a table. Is there any way to prevent this?

On 15/04/2018, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
Convenient OCR was introduced in Jaws 2013.
Using the "Recognize with Jaws" option from the context menu is not what I
would call "Opening the PDF". Yes, it will perform the OCR and display the
result in the PDF viewer, but you aren't actually opening the file. I always
try Adobe first and only use the Jaws OCR feature if the document doesn't
read or only partially reads. I get a lot of invoices from supplier and
often they open up and seem accessible but then I sometimes realize it's
only the invoice header and all the information about the products
(description, quantity, price and so on) are missing. If I then bring up
Jaws OCR and let it do its thing I can usually get this information and more
often than not properly presented in a table.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Steve,
I'm not sure that is any more direct than opening it in Adobe and using the
OCR keystrokes.
I knew one could do that, but I thought the person was wanting a way to do
it from Adobe.
I learned from Ann that the OCR was available at least as far back as Jaws
16.
As you know, Im fairly new to using Jaws ...

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi Richard,

You can already force it.

Simply find your PDF file in explorer, press the applications key and select
Recognise With JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 14 April 2018 16:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Tom, it is not designed to do that because if it is not a scanned image, it
shouldn't require OCR.
If you want to try the scan, you will have to envoke it with the
keystrokes.
I suppose someone could write a script to force it, but that could bring
some unintended problems and slow things down if it is a large PDF.
But, what do I know, I've only really used Jaws since they killed
Window-Eyes.

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Bill:

Regarding "recognize with Jaws", I have found that sometimes, if the file is
a scanned image file, recognize with Jaws will come up automatically.

In other cases, like the one we are dealing with here, this does not seem to
happen.

Does anyone know of a way to get "Recognize With Jaws" to come up
automatically for all PDF Documents?

Once again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 here on this Windows 7
machine.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the
Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and
press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered
and readable.

To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will
save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often
gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using
Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of
JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on
how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by
way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul
Rahul Bajaj
 

thanks, everyone. Just one question: I use JAWS OCR in such situations
sometimes. However, when I paste the result into a word document, it
appears in the form of a table. Is there any way to prevent this?

On 15/04/2018, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
Convenient OCR was introduced in Jaws 2013.
Using the "Recognize with Jaws" option from the context menu is not what I
would call "Opening the PDF". Yes, it will perform the OCR and display the
result in the PDF viewer, but you aren't actually opening the file. I always
try Adobe first and only use the Jaws OCR feature if the document doesn't
read or only partially reads. I get a lot of invoices from supplier and
often they open up and seem accessible but then I sometimes realize it's
only the invoice header and all the information about the products
(description, quantity, price and so on) are missing. If I then bring up
Jaws OCR and let it do its thing I can usually get this information and more
often than not properly presented in a table.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Steve,
I'm not sure that is any more direct than opening it in Adobe and using the
OCR keystrokes.
I knew one could do that, but I thought the person was wanting a way to do
it from Adobe.
I learned from Ann that the OCR was available at least as far back as Jaws
16.
As you know, Im fairly new to using Jaws ...

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi Richard,

You can already force it.

Simply find your PDF file in explorer, press the applications key and select
Recognise With JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 14 April 2018 16:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Tom, it is not designed to do that because if it is not a scanned image, it
shouldn't require OCR.
If you want to try the scan, you will have to envoke it with the
keystrokes.
I suppose someone could write a script to force it, but that could bring
some unintended problems and slow things down if it is a large PDF.
But, what do I know, I've only really used Jaws since they killed
Window-Eyes.

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Bill:

Regarding "recognize with Jaws", I have found that sometimes, if the file is
a scanned image file, recognize with Jaws will come up automatically.

In other cases, like the one we are dealing with here, this does not seem to
happen.

Does anyone know of a way to get "Recognize With Jaws" to come up
automatically for all PDF Documents?

Once again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 here on this Windows 7
machine.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the
Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and
press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered
and readable.

To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will
save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often
gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using
Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of
JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on
how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by
way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Convenient OCR was introduced in Jaws 2013.
Using the "Recognize with Jaws" option from the context menu is not what I would call "Opening the PDF". Yes, it will perform the OCR and display the result in the PDF viewer, but you aren't actually opening the file. I always try Adobe first and only use the Jaws OCR feature if the document doesn't read or only partially reads. I get a lot of invoices from supplier and often they open up and seem accessible but then I sometimes realize it's only the invoice header and all the information about the products (description, quantity, price and so on) are missing. If I then bring up Jaws OCR and let it do its thing I can usually get this information and more often than not properly presented in a table.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Steve,
I'm not sure that is any more direct than opening it in Adobe and using the OCR keystrokes.
I knew one could do that, but I thought the person was wanting a way to do it from Adobe.
I learned from Ann that the OCR was available at least as far back as Jaws 16.
As you know, Im fairly new to using Jaws ...

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi Richard,

You can already force it.

Simply find your PDF file in explorer, press the applications key and select Recognise With JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 14 April 2018 16:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Tom, it is not designed to do that because if it is not a scanned image, it shouldn't require OCR.
If you want to try the scan, you will have to envoke it with the keystrokes.
I suppose someone could write a script to force it, but that could bring some unintended problems and slow things down if it is a large PDF.
But, what do I know, I've only really used Jaws since they killed Window-Eyes.

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Bill:

Regarding "recognize with Jaws", I have found that sometimes, if the file is a scanned image file, recognize with Jaws will come up automatically.

In other cases, like the one we are dealing with here, this does not seem to happen.

Does anyone know of a way to get "Recognize With Jaws" to come up automatically for all PDF Documents?

Once again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 here on this Windows 7 machine.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered and readable.

To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using
Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of
JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on
how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by
way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul
Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi,

Sometimes changing the reading order in the PDF will help with Jaws reading words together. Press CTRL + K to go to Adobe Reader Preferences, press the letter R till you hear “Reading”, and then tab once into the reading order. Your choices here are something like, “Infer reading order from document”, “Left to right, top to bottom”, and “Raw print Stream”. Try change to one of these to see if it helps by arrowing up or down and then pressing enter on the one you want.

HTH

Russell

On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@...> wrote:

Hello Tom and everyone,

We have also observed this same phenomenon. Perhaps VFO should take a look at this issue to determine if Jaws or the formatting of the PDF document causes this to happen.

Peter Donahue



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Ok, Mario.

Will take a look.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think in the file ribbon there is an open tab. press enter and find a browse choice (not sure if it's a button, link or what). then you'll get the familiar open dialog we long time users are accustomed to.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 3:05 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

How exactly do you do this in Word?

I have Office 2016, and would like to try it the next time I get a PDF file I need to convert.

Dr. tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
That is the easiest way to convert them to word.
But, if it is a large document, it can take time.

I don't know if the original poster has Office 2016.
I am not sure if Office 2013 could do that as I went from Word 2003 to Word 2016 wit an Office 365 subscription.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

to anyone who knows, I could be wrong, but I remember someone mentioning that Word 2016 can open PDF files?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rahul Bajaj [mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 10:07 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is very time-consuming. Is there no other solution?

On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they may look fine, a screen reader will put words together.
Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF.
Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038@...<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...>> wrote:

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>>
wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul

















.












.
Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Steve,
I'm not sure that is any more direct than opening it in Adobe and using the OCR keystrokes.
I knew one could do that, but I thought the person was wanting a way to do it from Adobe.
I learned from Ann that the OCR was available at least as far back as Jaws 16.
As you know, Im fairly new to using Jaws ...

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi Richard,

You can already force it.

Simply find your PDF file in explorer, press the applications key and select Recognise With JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 14 April 2018 16:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Tom, it is not designed to do that because if it is not a scanned image, it shouldn't require OCR.
If you want to try the scan, you will have to envoke it with the keystrokes.
I suppose someone could write a script to force it, but that could bring some unintended problems and slow things down if it is a large PDF.
But, what do I know, I've only really used Jaws since they killed Window-Eyes.

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Bill:

Regarding "recognize with Jaws", I have found that sometimes, if the file is a scanned image file, recognize with Jaws will come up automatically.

In other cases, like the one we are dealing with here, this does not seem to happen.

Does anyone know of a way to get "Recognize With Jaws" to come up automatically for all PDF Documents?

Once again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 here on this Windows 7 machine.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered and readable.

To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using
Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of
JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on
how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by
way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul
Steve Nutt
 

You know you can open the PDF with JAWS as well? See my previous message.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: 14 April 2018 16:40
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

The only thing that works for me is OCR--either with JAWS spacebar+insert, then o, then d for document; or Open the .pdf with Openbook. JAWS can't guess where the spaces should be, but OCR knows that there are words.

Good luck!
At 09:07 AM 4/14/2018, you wrote:
I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word
is very time-consuming. Is there no other solution?

On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually
they may look fine, a screen reader will put words together.
Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF.
Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the
world quieter.â€
Steve Nutt
 

Hi Richard,

You can already force it.

Simply find your PDF file in explorer, press the applications key and select Recognise With JAWS.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 14 April 2018 16:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Tom, it is not designed to do that because if it is not a scanned image, it shouldn't require OCR.
If you want to try the scan, you will have to envoke it with the keystrokes.
I suppose someone could write a script to force it, but that could bring some unintended problems and slow things down if it is a large PDF.
But, what do I know, I've only really used Jaws since they killed Window-Eyes.

HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Bill:

Regarding "recognize with Jaws", I have found that sometimes, if the file is a scanned image file, recognize with Jaws will come up automatically.

In other cases, like the one we are dealing with here, this does not seem to happen.

Does anyone know of a way to get "Recognize With Jaws" to come up automatically for all PDF Documents?

Once again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 here on this Windows 7 machine.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered and readable.

To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using
Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of
JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on
how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by
way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul
Shirley Tracy
 

Actually, I have noticed this has been happening for some time. I never mentioned it before, because I have always been able to figure it out and it hasn't caused much trouble for me. But I'm writing to validate what the others are saying--this isn't totally new.


Shirley Tracy

---- Peter Donahue <pdonahue2@...> wrote:

=============
Hello Tom and everyone,

We have also observed this same phenomenon. Perhaps VFO should take a look at this issue to determine if Jaws or the formatting of the PDF document causes this to happen.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Ok, Mario.

Will take a look.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think in the file ribbon there is an open tab. press enter and find a browse choice (not sure if it's a button, link or what). then you'll get the familiar open dialog we long time users are accustomed to.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 3:05 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

How exactly do you do this in Word?

I have Office 2016, and would like to try it the next time I get a PDF file I need to convert.

Dr. tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
That is the easiest way to convert them to word.
But, if it is a large document, it can take time.

I don't know if the original poster has Office 2016.
I am not sure if Office 2013 could do that as I went from Word 2003 to Word 2016 wit an Office 365 subscription.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

to anyone who knows, I could be wrong, but I remember someone mentioning that Word 2016 can open PDF files?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rahul Bajaj [mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 10:07 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is very time-consuming. Is there no other solution?

On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they may look fine, a screen reader will put words together.
Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF.
Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038@...<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...>> wrote:

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>>
wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul

















.












.
Peter Donahue
 

Hello Tom and everyone,

We have also observed this same phenomenon. Perhaps VFO should take a look at this issue to determine if Jaws or the formatting of the PDF document causes this to happen.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Ok, Mario.

Will take a look.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think in the file ribbon there is an open tab. press enter and find a browse choice (not sure if it's a button, link or what). then you'll get the familiar open dialog we long time users are accustomed to.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 3:05 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

How exactly do you do this in Word?

I have Office 2016, and would like to try it the next time I get a PDF file I need to convert.

Dr. tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
That is the easiest way to convert them to word.
But, if it is a large document, it can take time.

I don't know if the original poster has Office 2016.
I am not sure if Office 2013 could do that as I went from Word 2003 to Word 2016 wit an Office 365 subscription.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

to anyone who knows, I could be wrong, but I remember someone mentioning that Word 2016 can open PDF files?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rahul Bajaj [mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 10:07 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is very time-consuming. Is there no other solution?

On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they may look fine, a screen reader will put words together.
Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF.
Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038@...<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...>> wrote:

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>>
wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul

















.












.
Tom Behler
 

Ok, Mario.

Will take a look.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think in the file ribbon there is an open tab. press enter and find a browse choice (not sure if it's a button, link or what). then you'll get the familiar open dialog we long time users are accustomed to.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 3:05 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

How exactly do you do this in Word?

I have Office 2016, and would like to try it the next time I get a PDF file I need to convert.

Dr. tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
That is the easiest way to convert them to word.
But, if it is a large document, it can take time.

I don't know if the original poster has Office 2016.
I am not sure if Office 2013 could do that as I went from Word 2003 to Word 2016 wit an Office 365 subscription.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

to anyone who knows, I could be wrong, but I remember someone mentioning that Word 2016 can open PDF files?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rahul Bajaj [mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 10:07 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is very time-consuming. Is there no other solution?

On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they may look fine, a screen reader will put words together.
Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF.
Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Rahul Bajaj
<rahul.bajaj1038@...<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...>> wrote:

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>>
wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat
Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to
render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the
document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way
of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul

















.












.
Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 


Along with using the Open dialog from Word, if you are using Windows Explorer to navigate to the document, you can use shift-f10 and go down to "open with" and select Word 2016.
If it is an attachment, I'm not sure if you have the open with option or have to save it first.
Either way works the same.
Word will give some dialog about converting the document I think and just hit OK.
It usually does a good job assuming the document is accessible to begin with.
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


On Apr 14, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:

then you can tab to the types list and there should be a choice for PDF.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 3:27 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think in the file ribbon there is an open tab. press enter and find a
browse choice (not sure if it's a button, link or what). then you'll get
the familiar open dialog we long time users are accustomed to.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 3:05 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

How exactly do you do this in Word?

I have Office 2016, and would like to try it the next time I get a PDF
file I need to convert.

Dr.  tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
That is the easiest way to convert them to word.
But, if it is a large document, it can take time.

I don't know if the original poster has Office 2016.
I am not sure if Office 2013 could do that as I went from Word 2003 to
Word 2016 wit an Office 365 subscription.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

to anyone who knows, I could be wrong, but I remember someone mentioning
that Word 2016 can open PDF files?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rahul Bajaj [mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 10:07 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is
very time-consuming. Is there no other solution?

On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they
may look fine, a screen reader will put words together.
Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF.
Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Rahul Bajaj
<rahul.bajaj1038@...<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...>> wrote:

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>>
wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat
Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to
render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the
document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way
of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul

















.












.
Mario
 

then you can tab to the types list and there should be a choice for PDF.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 3:27 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think in the file ribbon there is an open tab. press enter and find a
browse choice (not sure if it's a button, link or what). then you'll get
the familiar open dialog we long time users are accustomed to.



-------- Original Message --------
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 3:05 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

How exactly do you do this in Word?

I have Office 2016, and would like to try it the next time I get a PDF
file I need to convert.

Dr. tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
That is the easiest way to convert them to word.
But, if it is a large document, it can take time.

I don't know if the original poster has Office 2016.
I am not sure if Office 2013 could do that as I went from Word 2003 to
Word 2016 wit an Office 365 subscription.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

to anyone who knows, I could be wrong, but I remember someone mentioning
that Word 2016 can open PDF files?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rahul Bajaj [mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 10:07 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is
very time-consuming. Is there no other solution?

On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they
may look fine, a screen reader will put words together.
Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF.
Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Rahul Bajaj
<rahul.bajaj1038@...<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...>> wrote:

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>>
wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat
Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to
render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the
document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way
of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul

















.












.
Mario
 

I think in the file ribbon there is an open tab. press enter and find a
browse choice (not sure if it's a button, link or what). then you'll get
the familiar open dialog we long time users are accustomed to.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombehler@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 3:05 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

How exactly do you do this in Word?

I have Office 2016, and would like to try it the next time I get a PDF
file I need to convert.

Dr. tom Behler from Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
That is the easiest way to convert them to word.
But, if it is a large document, it can take time.

I don't know if the original poster has Office 2016.
I am not sure if Office 2013 could do that as I went from Word 2003 to
Word 2016 wit an Office 365 subscription.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

to anyone who knows, I could be wrong, but I remember someone mentioning
that Word 2016 can open PDF files?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rahul Bajaj [mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 10:07 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is
very time-consuming. Is there no other solution?

On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they
may look fine, a screen reader will put words together.
Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF.
Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world
quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Rahul Bajaj
<rahul.bajaj1038@...<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...>> wrote:

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>>
wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat
Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to
render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the
document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads
several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to
figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way
of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul

















.












.
Tom Behler
 

How exactly do you do this in Word?

I have Office 2016, and would like to try it the next time I get a PDF file I need to convert.

Dr. tom Behler from Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
That is the easiest way to convert them to word.
But, if it is a large document, it can take time.

I don't know if the original poster has Office 2016.
I am not sure if Office 2013 could do that as I went from Word 2003 to Word 2016 wit an Office 365 subscription.

Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

to anyone who knows, I could be wrong, but I remember someone mentioning that Word 2016 can open PDF files?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Rahul Bajaj [mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...]
Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 10:07 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is very time-consuming. Is there no other solution?

On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they may look fine, a screen reader will put words together.
Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF.
Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038@...<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...>> wrote:

Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.

On 14/04/2018, Bill White
<billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>>
wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the document is displayed.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

Hi everyone,

I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way of converting the document into word?

Best,
Rahul

















.
Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Great to know that Jaws 16 can do the OCR.
I've pretty much only had Jaws 18 and now Jaws 2018.

I'm not sure where I got the impression that Convenient OCR was not around until later.

It is nice to know there are way more knowledgeable people on this list to correct the misinformation.

Thanks,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents

JAWS 16 does perform OCR with with
insert+spacebar, then o, then d(document),
s(creen) or w(indow). the results can be plopped into a Word document.
At 12:08 PM 4/14/2018, you wrote:
Of course, Ann is right.
But, if you do not have Jaws 2018 you cannot do
that so easily. If the original poster has
OpenBook or Kurzweil they could use that, or
open it in Word and then run spell check.
There certainly is not one easy answer depending on the programs available.
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder,
but to make the world quieter.â€
Jason White
 

ABBYY FineReader is another good solution for processing PDF files -
especially those containing scanned images of text documents.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:

Of course, Ann is right.
But, if you do not have Jaws 2018 you cannot do that so easily. If the original poster has OpenBook or Kurzweil they could use that, or open it in Word and then run spell check.
There certainly is not one easy answer depending on the programs available.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 14, 2018, at 10:05 AM, Ann Byrne <annakb@...<mailto:annakb@...>> wrote:

Converting to Word doesn't do OCR; so words are still mushed together.
At 11:42 AM 4/14/2018, you wrote:
Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
That is the easiest way to convert them to word.
But, if it is a large document, it can take time.

I don't know if the original poster has Office 2016.
I am not sure if Office 2013 could do that as I went from Word 2003 to Word 2016 wit an Office 365 subscription.

Richard




â?oThe secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.â?
Ann Byrne
 

JAWS 16 does perform OCR with with insert+spacebar, then o, then d(document), s(creen) or w(indow). the results can be plopped into a Word document.

At 12:08 PM 4/14/2018, you wrote:
Of course, Ann is right.
But, if you do not have Jaws 2018 you cannot do that so easily. If the original poster has OpenBook or Kurzweil they could use that, or open it in Word and then run spell check.
There certainly is not one easy answer depending on the programs available.
Richard



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