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Rahul Bajaj
Hi everyone,
I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way of converting the document into word? Best, Rahul
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Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the document is displayed.
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Bill White billwhite92701@...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents Hi everyone, I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way of converting the document into word? Best, Rahul
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Rahul Bajaj
Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf.
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On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they may look fine, a screen reader will put words together.
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Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF.
Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps.
Richard
“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
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Rahul Bajaj
I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word
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is very time-consuming. Is there no other solution?
On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they may
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Dave...
Do you have any control over the font size that is displayed in Adobe
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Reader? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
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From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1038@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 07:07 Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is very time-consuming. Is there no other solution? On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote: My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they
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Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered and readable.
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To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC. Bill White billwhite92701@...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf. On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote: Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
He stated that he is using Jaws 16 in his original post.
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But, upgrading to Jaws 2018, if that is possible, would provide a much better experience. Richard “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 7:47 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered and readable. To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf. On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote: Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat
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Tom Behler
I have had this problem too on occasion.
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I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 with Windows 7 here, and experience this issue with Adobe Acrobat DC. Converting the file to a Word document sometimes helps, but not always. Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents Hi everyone, I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way of converting the document into word? Best, Rahul
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Tom Behler
Bill:
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Regarding "recognize with Jaws", I have found that sometimes, if the file is a scanned image file, recognize with Jaws will come up automatically. In other cases, like the one we are dealing with here, this does not seem to happen. Does anyone know of a way to get "Recognize With Jaws" to come up automatically for all PDF Documents? Once again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 here on this Windows 7 machine. Tom Behler
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:47 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered and readable. To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf. On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote: Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Tom is correct. Sometimes, and I have no idea why, even though a sighted person does not see the words running together, they do even in Word.
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Spell checkers can help, but you have to be in an editable document which unless you have the Pro version of Adobe, you won't have without converting it to Word. This is why I cringe every time I get a PDF file because it is a complete crap shoot whether it will be truly accessible. Richard “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents I have had this problem too on occasion. I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 with Windows 7 here, and experience this issue with Adobe Acrobat DC. Converting the file to a Word document sometimes helps, but not always. Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents Hi everyone, I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way of converting the document into word? Best, Rahul
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Tom, it is not designed to do that because if it is not a scanned image, it shouldn't require OCR.
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If you want to try the scan, you will have to envoke it with the keystrokes. I suppose someone could write a script to force it, but that could bring some unintended problems and slow things down if it is a large PDF. But, what do I know, I've only really used Jaws since they killed Window-Eyes. HTH, Richard “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:27 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents Bill: Regarding "recognize with Jaws", I have found that sometimes, if the file is a scanned image file, recognize with Jaws will come up automatically. In other cases, like the one we are dealing with here, this does not seem to happen. Does anyone know of a way to get "Recognize With Jaws" to come up automatically for all PDF Documents? Once again, I'm using the latest build of Jaws 2018 here on this Windows 7 machine. Tom Behler -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:47 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents If you have JAWS 2018, try highlighting the PDF, press either the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, arrow down to recognize with JAWS, and press ENTER. Wait for a few minutes, and your document should be rendered and readable. To save the document, open Word, notepad or some other program which will save text, paste from the clipboard into the program, and save. This often gives better results than Acrobat Reader DC. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf. On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote: Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using
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Ann Byrne
The only thing that works for me is OCR--either with JAWS spacebar+insert, then o, then d for document; or Open the .pdf with Openbook. JAWS can't guess where the spaces should be, but OCR knows that there are words.
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Good luck!
At 09:07 AM 4/14/2018, you wrote:
I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word
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Mario
to anyone who knows, I could be wrong, but I remember someone mentioning
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that Word 2016 can open PDF files?
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From: Rahul Bajaj [mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...] Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 10:07 AM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is very time-consuming. Is there no other solution? On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote: My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they may look fine, a screen reader will put words together. Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF. Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps. Richard “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1 On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038@...<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...>> wrote: Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf. On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>> wrote: Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the document is displayed. Bill White billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...> -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents Hi everyone, I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way of converting the document into word? Best, Rahul .
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
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That is the easiest way to convert them to word. But, if it is a large document, it can take time. I don't know if the original poster has Office 2016. I am not sure if Office 2013 could do that as I went from Word 2003 to Word 2016 wit an Office 365 subscription. Richard “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 8:56 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents to anyone who knows, I could be wrong, but I remember someone mentioning that Word 2016 can open PDF files? -------- Original Message -------- From: Rahul Bajaj [mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...] Sent: Saturday, Apr 14, 2018 10:07 AM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents I think the sighted are able to read it fine. Converting it into word is very time-consuming. Is there no other solution? On 14/04/2018, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote: My experience with PDF documents is that sometimes, while visually they may look fine, a screen reader will put words together. Then again, sometimes they are just run together in the PDF. Try bringing it into Word and see if that helps. Richard “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1 On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038@...<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038@...>> wrote: Hi, the former - using it with Acrobat reader. it is a searchable pdf. On 14/04/2018, Bill White <billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...>> wrote: Hi, Rahul. How are you rendering the pdf document? are you using Acrobat Reader DC, or are you using the OCR recognition feature of JAWS to render the document into text? This might have a bearing on how the document is displayed. Bill White billwhite92701@...<mailto:billwhite92701@...> -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents Hi everyone, I am using JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Very often, JAWS reads several words together in a PDF document, which makes it impossible to figure out what it is saying. Is there a way to fix this, except by way of converting the document into word? Best, Rahul .
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Ann Byrne
Converting to Word doesn't do OCR; so words are still mushed together.
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At 11:42 AM 4/14/2018, you wrote:
Yes, Word 2016 can open pdf files.
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Of course, Ann is right.
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But, if you do not have Jaws 2018 you cannot do that so easily. If the original poster has OpenBook or Kurzweil they could use that, or open it in Word and then run spell check.
There certainly is not one easy answer depending on the programs available.
Richard
“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
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Ann Byrne
JAWS 16 does perform OCR with with insert+spacebar, then o, then d(document), s(creen) or w(indow). the results can be plopped into a Word document.
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At 12:08 PM 4/14/2018, you wrote:
Of course, Ann is right.
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Jason White
ABBYY FineReader is another good solution for processing PDF files -
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especially those containing scanned images of text documents. Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:
Of course, Ann is right.
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Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Great to know that Jaws 16 can do the OCR.
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I've pretty much only had Jaws 18 and now Jaws 2018. I'm not sure where I got the impression that Convenient OCR was not around until later. It is nice to know there are way more knowledgeable people on this list to correct the misinformation. Thanks, Richard “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 10:58 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS Reading Multiple Words Together in PDF Documents JAWS 16 does perform OCR with with insert+spacebar, then o, then d(document), s(creen) or w(indow). the results can be plopped into a Word document. At 12:08 PM 4/14/2018, you wrote: Of course, Ann is right.
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