Is it normmal for Jaws Cursor Not to See Windows 10


John Gurd
 

Ever since I installed Windows 10 my Jaws Cursor hasn’t been able to review most dialogues and Windows in the Windows 10 operating system. Many third-party apps work as usual. For instance, I wanted to check Windows Anti-virus was turned on having received a very scarey message that all Defender features were turned off when I rebooted. I couldn't read anything at all in the Jaws cursor  Security  Settings. Same thing  when I invoked the window to launch a full scan. This happens in many but not all Windows 10 windows but I accepted it because Windows 10 is relatively new and my friend has the same issue. But it is so strange and inconvenient that I just have to check. Is this normal?

 

John


Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

That is just the way it is in Windows 10 for now.

FS is working on some stuff regarding this, but it’s in the early stages and given the bi-annual release of a new major Windows update who knows if it will amlount to anything.

 

 

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Subject: Is it normmal for Jaws Cursor Not to See Windows 10

 

Ever since I installed Windows 10 my Jaws Cursor hasn’t been able to review most dialogues and Windows in the Windows 10 operating system. Many third-party apps work as usual. For instance, I wanted to check Windows Anti-virus was turned on having received a very scarey message that all Defender features were turned off when I rebooted. I couldn't read anything at all in the Jaws cursor  Security  Settings. Same thing  when I invoked the window to launch a full scan. This happens in many but not all Windows 10 windows but I accepted it because Windows 10 is relatively new and my friend has the same issue. But it is so strange and inconvenient that I just have to check. Is this normal?

 

John


Steve Matzura
 

Right. Personally, I think it should be on Microsoft to fix this, as it doesn't even work correctly in their own screenreader.


On 3/8/2018 12:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

That is just the way it is in Windows 10 for now.

FS is working on some stuff regarding this, but it’s in the early stages and given the bi-annual release of a new major Windows update who knows if it will amlount to anything.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 12:49 AM
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Subject: Is it normmal for Jaws Cursor Not to See Windows 10

 

Ever since I installed Windows 10 my Jaws Cursor hasn’t been able to review most dialogues and Windows in the Windows 10 operating system. Many third-party apps work as usual. For instance, I wanted to check Windows Anti-virus was turned on having received a very scarey message that all Defender features were turned off when I rebooted. I couldn't read anything at all in the Jaws cursor  Security  Settings. Same thing  when I invoked the window to launch a full scan. This happens in many but not all Windows 10 windows but I accepted it because Windows 10 is relatively new and my friend has the same issue. But it is so strange and inconvenient that I just have to check. Is this normal?

 

John



 

I agree with you Steve. The funny thing is that it worked perfectly
before Windows 10 came out. Not sure why they would change it to make
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On 3/8/18, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
Right. Personally, I think it should be on Microsoft to fix this, as it
doesn't even work correctly in their own screenreader.


On 3/8/2018 12:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

That is just the way it is in Windows 10 for now.

FS is working on some stuff regarding this, but it’s in the early
stages and given the bi-annual release of a new major Windows update
who knows if it will amlount to anything.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *John
Gurd via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 12:49 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Is it normmal for Jaws Cursor Not to See Windows 10

Ever since I installed Windows 10 my Jaws Cursor hasn’t been able to
review most dialogues and Windows in the Windows 10 operating system.
Many third-party apps work as usual. For instance, I wanted to check
Windows Anti-virus was turned on having received a very scarey message
that all Defender features were turned off when I rebooted. I couldn't
read anything at all in the Jaws cursor  Security  Settings. Same
thing  when I invoked the window to launch a full scan. This happens
in many but not all Windows 10 windows but I accepted it because
Windows 10 is relatively new and my friend has the same issue. But it
is so strange and inconvenient that I just have to check. Is this normal?

John


Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Not sure who you mean by "they", but that is simply the way of technology or progress. Unfortunately progress is not always progress for everybody at least temporarily.
The reason why the Jaws cursor doesn't work as well any more in Windows 10 s not the fault of Freedom Scientific but it is simply because of how Windows 10 writes information to the screen and the options available to screenreaders to get access to this information.

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I agree with you Steve. The funny thing is that it worked perfectly before Windows 10 came out. Not sure why they would change it to make it worse.<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
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On 3/8/18, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
Right. Personally, I think it should be on Microsoft to fix this, as
it doesn't even work correctly in their own screenreader.


On 3/8/2018 12:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

That is just the way it is in Windows 10 for now.

FS is working on some stuff regarding this, but it’s in the early
stages and given the bi-annual release of a new major Windows update
who knows if it will amlount to anything.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *John
Gurd via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 12:49 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Is it normmal for Jaws Cursor Not to See Windows 10

Ever since I installed Windows 10 my Jaws Cursor hasn’t been able to
review most dialogues and Windows in the Windows 10 operating system.
Many third-party apps work as usual. For instance, I wanted to check
Windows Anti-virus was turned on having received a very scarey
message that all Defender features were turned off when I rebooted. I
couldn't read anything at all in the Jaws cursor  Security  Settings.
Same thing  when I invoked the window to launch a full scan. This
happens in many but not all Windows 10 windows but I accepted it
because Windows 10 is relatively new and my friend has the same
issue. But it is so strange and inconvenient that I just have to check. Is this normal?

John


Michal Nowicki
 

In Windows 10, Microsoft has made various changes to secure the operating system from malicious attacks. Unfortunately, some of these changes have affected JAWS performance, because JAWS interacts with many applications by sinking its teeth into their code. This is precisely why JAWS did not work with the Edge browser for so long, and why it still offers only basic Edge support. I suspect the JAWS cursor problems also result from this issue.

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Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is it normmal for Jaws Cursor Not to See Windows 10

Not sure who you mean by "they", but that is simply the way of technology or progress. Unfortunately progress is not always progress for everybody at least temporarily.
The reason why the Jaws cursor doesn't work as well any more in Windows 10 s not the fault of Freedom Scientific but it is simply because of how Windows 10 writes information to the screen and the options available to screenreaders to get access to this information.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 11:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is it normmal for Jaws Cursor Not to See Windows 10

I agree with you Steve. The funny thing is that it worked perfectly before Windows 10 came out. Not sure why they would change it to make it worse.<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
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/></a></td>
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font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a
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On 3/8/18, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
Right. Personally, I think it should be on Microsoft to fix this, as
it doesn't even work correctly in their own screenreader.


On 3/8/2018 12:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

That is just the way it is in Windows 10 for now.

FS is working on some stuff regarding this, but it’s in the early
stages and given the bi-annual release of a new major Windows update
who knows if it will amlount to anything.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *John
Gurd via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 12:49 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Is it normmal for Jaws Cursor Not to See Windows 10

Ever since I installed Windows 10 my Jaws Cursor hasn’t been able to
review most dialogues and Windows in the Windows 10 operating system.
Many third-party apps work as usual. For instance, I wanted to check
Windows Anti-virus was turned on having received a very scarey
message that all Defender features were turned off when I rebooted. I
couldn't read anything at all in the Jaws cursor Security Settings.
Same thing when I invoked the window to launch a full scan. This
happens in many but not all Windows 10 windows but I accepted it
because Windows 10 is relatively new and my friend has the same
issue. But it is so strange and inconvenient that I just have to check. Is this normal?

John