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moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

Glenn / Lenny
 


Sometimes, as odd as it may sound, people's voice sounds right for their voice.
Just as sometimes people's appearance match their name.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

Some of the voices recorded by humans, sound a little off too.  One of the female U S voices sounds like she is having a bad day all the time and needs to chill out as they say.  I guess it all comes down to what you prefer. I heard an interview of the woman who does the Australian voice, Karen and she went into great detail as to what was involved in creating that screen reader voice for JAWS or IOS devices. The voice got named after her real name, Karen.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: September 21, 2020 3:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Eliquence sounds like it has a cold sometimes.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 06:10 PM, JM Casey wrote:

These more human sounding voices were not meant to be used at the fast rates many blind people listen to synthesised speech.

-
And knowing some of those blind people, I still cannot comprehend how they comprehend what they're hearing.  Clearly they do, but my head (auditory processing, in particular) reels at the speech rate that some of my clients routinely use for themselves.  I have on more than one occasion had to ask someone I was tutoring on something new to them in the screen reader to greatly reduce the speed so that I could be sure that what I expected to hear was what I was indeed hearing!
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: synthesizer versus voice

David Diamond
 

Some of the voices recorded by humans, sound a little off too.  One of the female U S voices sounds like she is having a bad day all the time and needs to chill out as they say.  I guess it all comes down to what you prefer. I heard an interview of the woman who does the Australian voice, Karen and she went into great detail as to what was involved in creating that screen reader voice for JAWS or IOS devices. The voice got named after her real name, Karen.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: September 21, 2020 3:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Eliquence sounds like it has a cold sometimes.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 06:10 PM, JM Casey wrote:

These more human sounding voices were not meant to be used at the fast rates many blind people listen to synthesised speech.

-
And knowing some of those blind people, I still cannot comprehend how they comprehend what they're hearing.  Clearly they do, but my head (auditory processing, in particular) reels at the speech rate that some of my clients routinely use for themselves.  I have on more than one occasion had to ask someone I was tutoring on something new to them in the screen reader to greatly reduce the speed so that I could be sure that what I expected to hear was what I was indeed hearing!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Help please can I move outlook folders from one computer to another

 

While I agree with everything that's been said about using IMAP or Exchange (server side access protocols) rather than POP3 (where all storage is client side after download) I do want to note that it is possible to create local folders in Outlook itself even if you are using a server side protocol.  I really, really, really advise against that for exactly the reasons on display in this topic.

It is unclear how the old folders were stored.  If the old machine is still available the PST file can be imported over to another machine.  But even if you do this, if these folders were stored under the Local Folders section, or otherwise stored locally, you are going to want to transfer them to reside as IMAP/Exchange folders under one of your accounts so this would not happen again.

Local storage and the POP3 client side email protocol are, very simply, best not used.  They're holdovers from an earlier age and do not serve modern usage and access patterns, which means being able to get to your e-mail, all of it, from multiple devices and having them all stay in sync, at all well.
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


moderated Re: Help please can I move outlook folders from one computer to another

 

Same applies to Outlook.com email accounts or Exchange accounts, all data is stored on the server and as soon as you set up the account on a new device everything syncs, it's beautiful and absolutely the way to go nowadays. I have been using Outlook.com (formerly Hotmail) for my personal email for over 10 years and for work I use Microsoft 365, formerly Office 365 and I have not lost any emails or contacts and did not have to worry about backing up Outlook data files for many years. If I get a new computer or iPhone I just set up my account by putting in my email address and password and it's all there a short while later, I don't have to worry about incoming and outgoing ports, I don't have to worry on which device I read, send or delete my email, it's always in sync and the same everywhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help please can I move outlook folders from one computer to another

 

Ank-you.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help please can I move outlook folders from one computer to another

 

If your email account was  an imap account then your folders should be automatically re-created when you setup that email account in Outlook.

This imap is normally the default for modern email accounts. However if the email account is not set up then the folders will not appear.

 

If your  previous account was set up under the older pop3 system you will need to find the relevant PST file on your old computer  and manually import this using the import feature under Outlook – I believe under the file menu.

Finding the PST  file on your old computer may be a bit of a struggle but you can search under windows for Outlook.pst where hopefully you will find a folder with the various PST files stored.

 

David Griffithbe a bit

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: 22 September 2020 12:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help please can I move outlook folders from one computer to another

 

Hi All,

 

I just got a new laptop and the professionals I paid to move everything over from old laptop to the new did not do well even though we’ve used service before.

Slowly sorting out issues. I have windows 10 and latest JAWS 2020 and latest Leasey from Harjen consulting.

 

I have Microsoft office 365. I thought all of my Outlook was backed up! The folders were in Outlook.

 

On my old computer are over 500 folders, mostly work related that are associated with a separate inbox. I was assured these would be moved over but they are not.

Can I email myself folders?

How would I set up the structure or do I have to go into each folder and send myself individual files.

 

Is there a good place to put these. The over five hundred folders were attached to  an email that I no longer access but had started folder creation there originally so just kept adding to it.

I have just done control e when inbox was in focus and they all alphabetized under that.

 

Feel free to PM me at sharon.ballantyne@... if you have guidance.

 

With thanks.

Respectfully yours

Sharon Ballantyne

 

 


moderated Re: [External] Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Cook, Steve
 

Yes, I know, I just left that out when typing, LOL

Thank You,
Steve Cook, CPM
Assistive Technology Consultant
Newsline Administrator
SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
Office: (803) 898-8788
Cell: (803) 908-3856
1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Steve:

The correct keystroke is, CTRL+SHIFT+CAPS LOCK+J, to open the JAWS menue.

HTH

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cook, Steve" <Steve.Cook@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [External] Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout


Press control shift and caps lock key HTH

Thank You,
Steve Cook, CPM
Assistive Technology Consultant
Newsline Administrator
SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
Office: (803) 898-8788
Cell: (803) 908-3856
1-888-335-5951

https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sccb.state.sc.us%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7CSteve.Cook%40sccb.sc.gov%7C107adbdf3fa847049dfc08d85e6c9816%7Ce9f8d01480d84f27b0d6c3d6c085fcdd%7C1%7C0%7C637363167789439482&amp;sdata=W8owVxScQQwUxKazd8tTkx4QAMC9fnL%2BH3izdcfBY7k%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Wolak
via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 6:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] Accessing jaws menu in laptop layout

Hi all,

I have occasion to use the laptop layout with Jaws 2020.

However, I'm unable to access the jaws menu as I prefer to run it from the
system tray.

When I use the keyboard shortcut of jaws key (capslock in this case)+j,
the only thing that's announced is blank.

Interestingly, when I plug in a keyboard that has an insert key and use
that instead of capslock it works perfectly.

Does anyone know if the key to access the jaws menu from system tray is
different in laptop layout?

Jaws help doesn't seem to have the answer.

Thanks,


Daniel












moderated Re: Help please can I move outlook folders from one computer to another

Sharon Ballantyne
 

Ank-you.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 8:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help please can I move outlook folders from one computer to another

 

If your email account was  an imap account then your folders should be automatically re-created when you setup that email account in Outlook.

This imap is normally the default for modern email accounts. However if the email account is not set up then the folders will not appear.

 

If your  previous account was set up under the older pop3 system you will need to find the relevant PST file on your old computer  and manually import this using the import feature under Outlook – I believe under the file menu.

Finding the PST  file on your old computer may be a bit of a struggle but you can search under windows for Outlook.pst where hopefully you will find a folder with the various PST files stored.

 

David Griffithbe a bit

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: 22 September 2020 12:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help please can I move outlook folders from one computer to another

 

Hi All,

 

I just got a new laptop and the professionals I paid to move everything over from old laptop to the new did not do well even though we’ve used service before.

Slowly sorting out issues. I have windows 10 and latest JAWS 2020 and latest Leasey from Harjen consulting.

 

I have Microsoft office 365. I thought all of my Outlook was backed up! The folders were in Outlook.

 

On my old computer are over 500 folders, mostly work related that are associated with a separate inbox. I was assured these would be moved over but they are not.

Can I email myself folders?

How would I set up the structure or do I have to go into each folder and send myself individual files.

 

Is there a good place to put these. The over five hundred folders were attached to  an email that I no longer access but had started folder creation there originally so just kept adding to it.

I have just done control e when inbox was in focus and they all alphabetized under that.

 

Feel free to PM me at sharon.ballantyne@... if you have guidance.

 

With thanks.

Respectfully yours

Sharon Ballantyne

 

 


moderated Re: Test

Pastor Gilbert Pries
 

Hi Laura,

Thank you for replying.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Shumate
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Test

 

Hi Pastor,
You are coming through loud and clear.
Laura Shumate
larelishumate@...


moderated Re: Help please can I move outlook folders from one computer to another

David Griffith
 

If your email account was  an imap account then your folders should be automatically re-created when you setup that email account in Outlook.

This imap is normally the default for modern email accounts. However if the email account is not set up then the folders will not appear.

 

If your  previous account was set up under the older pop3 system you will need to find the relevant PST file on your old computer  and manually import this using the import feature under Outlook – I believe under the file menu.

Finding the PST  file on your old computer may be a bit of a struggle but you can search under windows for Outlook.pst where hopefully you will find a folder with the various PST files stored.

 

David Griffithbe a bit

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: 22 September 2020 12:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help please can I move outlook folders from one computer to another

 

Hi All,

 

I just got a new laptop and the professionals I paid to move everything over from old laptop to the new did not do well even though we’ve used service before.

Slowly sorting out issues. I have windows 10 and latest JAWS 2020 and latest Leasey from Harjen consulting.

 

I have Microsoft office 365. I thought all of my Outlook was backed up! The folders were in Outlook.

 

On my old computer are over 500 folders, mostly work related that are associated with a separate inbox. I was assured these would be moved over but they are not.

Can I email myself folders?

How would I set up the structure or do I have to go into each folder and send myself individual files.

 

Is there a good place to put these. The over five hundred folders were attached to  an email that I no longer access but had started folder creation there originally so just kept adding to it.

I have just done control e when inbox was in focus and they all alphabetized under that.

 

Feel free to PM me at sharon.ballantyne@... if you have guidance.

 

With thanks.

Respectfully yours

Sharon Ballantyne

 

 


moderated Help please can I move outlook folders from one computer to another

Sharon Ballantyne
 

Hi All,

 

I just got a new laptop and the professionals I paid to move everything over from old laptop to the new did not do well even though we’ve used service before.

Slowly sorting out issues. I have windows 10 and latest JAWS 2020 and latest Leasey from Harjen consulting.

 

I have Microsoft office 365. I thought all of my Outlook was backed up! The folders were in Outlook.

 

On my old computer are over 500 folders, mostly work related that are associated with a separate inbox. I was assured these would be moved over but they are not.

Can I email myself folders?

How would I set up the structure or do I have to go into each folder and send myself individual files.

 

Is there a good place to put these. The over five hundred folders were attached to  an email that I no longer access but had started folder creation there originally so just kept adding to it.

I have just done control e when inbox was in focus and they all alphabetized under that.

 

Feel free to PM me at sharon.ballantyne@... if you have guidance.

 

With thanks.

Respectfully yours

Sharon Ballantyne

 


moderated Re: Test

Laura Shumate
 

Hi Pastor,
You are coming through loud and clear.
Laura Shumate
larelishumate@...


moderated Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Kevin,

You have to change the voice profile to SAPI5 x64 or x32, if your machine is a 32 bit machine.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: 18 September 2020 10:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Hi Steve.

I installed the Vocalizer that you listed in your message, but I don't know how to get JAWS to detect the three voices I installed.

Kevin and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 5:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Hi John,

Disclaimer: We do sell it, but I do know it will do what you want.

Here's a link to the seven day trial. If you then want to buy it, hit the Buy link from inside the app itself:-

https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.comproom.co.uk%2Fdownloads%2FVocalizerForWindows_ComputerRoom-Setup.exe&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce2bd1118fca04f71a72908d85bb28ebd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637360169736355722&amp;sdata=fwvdIlR9nxlnvtDpfzHrcasN%2FjO%2FJIHXS34ltyQwaiU%3D&amp;reserved=0

I hope this helps.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 17 September 2020 09:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

I want it to read exactly as it is, I am a human and I can actually convert!! And I still get abreviations even though I have them off in Jaws, so how do I turn them off in Vocalizer -- do I need their driver and where do I get it if so?


On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 03:48:42 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

Dates is a different matter.

Tom is a US synth, so it is going to read dates in US style. For example, 11/09 is the 11th of September in the UK, but would be read by Tom as the 9th of November.

Note: it is only the US that have dates upside down. 😊

All the best

Steve

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https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
comproom.co.uk%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce2bd1118fca04f71a72908d85bb28e
bd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637360169736355722&amp
;sdata=vPfN2whFxIeYg4Vc%2FldKA3PlpFjyFT4a7gg65LqmS3M%3D&amp;reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 16 September 2020 20:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

And you should see what Tom does with dates! Its awful and there is no dictionary entry that would solve it.

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:56:29 -0400,
Richard Turner wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] All I can say now is
that the Tom voice does not say good.
I loaded Nathan to check, and yes, Nathan says good.
If entering gd in the dictionary and then g d with a space between them in the replacement doesn't work, then it is the Nathan voice being stubborn and not honoring the Jaws setting.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must
pass himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
regretted not granting grace to others, I've never once regretted
extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Minor
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Hi.

I'm using the Nathan Compact voice.

Oh well, it is what it is, but it's annoying.

Kevin and Jilly

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

I'm taking back everything I said on this topic.
Kevin, my Vocalizer Tom Enhanced speaks your example perfectly as g d not good.

Which voice are you using exactly?

And, I have actually never heard Grahams mail for gmail.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must
pass himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
regretted not granting grace to others, I've never once regretted
extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Kevin
Minor
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Hi.

I'm encountering an issue with Vocalizer and JAWS. It's substituting what it thinks something should be, and it's wrong. Let me illustrate.

There is a ham radio called the GD-77. Vocalizer says it's the good 77, and that's not right. The letters should be spelled out. I tried to do a dictionary entry for the word, but it didn't work. I also never knew Google had a service called grams mail. This is annoying, and because of it I'm back to good old Eloquence. I prefer Vocalizer's speech, but not with all the so-called "helpful" abbreviation conversions.

Thanks in advance.

Kevin and Jilly






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moderated Re: Switching voice profiles according to your mood

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

This can already be done.

 

If you press Control+Insert+S, you will be in a selection list of profiles.  Just press enter on the one you want to switch to.

 

If all your profiles are set up how you want, this is a simple switch.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: 18 September 2020 10:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Switching voice profiles according to your mood

 

Does anyone have experiences with changing JAWS voices or voice profile according to your mood? For example, reading in the evening it might be nicer to have an evening voice profile with softer tones and slower speed. I imagine the same could apply between switching things up to read a poem versus a work email. Perhaps it also requires having a custom Speech and Sound Scheme for each mood too.  I'm not sure how best to approach that, or even if others have been down this same road. It would be ideal to switch things for moods with only a couple of keyboard commands.


moderated Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Well I must apologise to you all. I updated my copy of the CodeFactory Vocalizer Voices, and it seems the expand abbreviations is no longer there.

I am investigating to see if we can have it put back, but my guess is that Nuance removed the flag, because if you turn off abbreviations in JAWS, it still says things like Street, if you have S T then Period.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 18 September 2020 10:09
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Hi John,

Disclaimer: We do sell it, but I do know it will do what you want.

Here's a link to the seven day trial. If you then want to buy it, hit the Buy link from inside the app itself:-

https://www.comproom.co.uk/downloads/VocalizerForWindows_ComputerRoom-Setup.exe

I hope this helps.

All the best

Steve

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77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
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T: +44(0)1438-742286
M: +44(0)7956-334938
F: +44(0)1438-759589
E: steve@...
W: https://www.comproom.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 17 September 2020 09:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

I want it to read exactly as it is, I am a human and I can actually convert!! And I still get abreviations even though I have them off in Jaws, so how do I turn them off in Vocalizer -- do I need their driver and where do I get it if so?


On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 03:48:42 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

Dates is a different matter.

Tom is a US synth, so it is going to read dates in US style. For example, 11/09 is the 11th of September in the UK, but would be read by Tom as the 9th of November.

Note: it is only the US that have dates upside down. 😊

All the best

Steve

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 16 September 2020 20:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

And you should see what Tom does with dates! Its awful and there is no dictionary entry that would solve it.

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:56:29 -0400,
Richard Turner wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] All I can say now is
that the Tom voice does not say good.
I loaded Nathan to check, and yes, Nathan says good.
If entering gd in the dictionary and then g d with a space between them in the replacement doesn't work, then it is the Nathan voice being stubborn and not honoring the Jaws setting.



Richard
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pass himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
regretted not granting grace to others, I've never once regretted
extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Minor
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Hi.

I'm using the Nathan Compact voice.

Oh well, it is what it is, but it's annoying.

Kevin and Jilly

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<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Richard
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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

I'm taking back everything I said on this topic.
Kevin, my Vocalizer Tom Enhanced speaks your example perfectly as g d not good.

Which voice are you using exactly?

And, I have actually never heard Grahams mail for gmail.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must
pass himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
regretted not granting grace to others, I've never once regretted
extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Kevin
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To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Is there a way to not have Vocalizer substitute what it thinks works for abbreviations?

Hi.

I'm encountering an issue with Vocalizer and JAWS. It's substituting what it thinks something should be, and it's wrong. Let me illustrate.

There is a ham radio called the GD-77. Vocalizer says it's the good 77, and that's not right. The letters should be spelled out. I tried to do a dictionary entry for the word, but it didn't work. I also never knew Google had a service called grams mail. This is annoying, and because of it I'm back to good old Eloquence. I prefer Vocalizer's speech, but not with all the so-called "helpful" abbreviation conversions.

Thanks in advance.

Kevin and Jilly






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After 20 years with Eloquence, I still prefer it over the human sounding voices for screen reader. I have used some of the human sounding voices for reading books at a normal speed and they are getting better.

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From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:56 PM

Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Hahah…it’s all relative; Canadians don’t say “aboot” either.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 21, 2020 5:15 PM
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Sorry, but people in the United states do not say “aboot” unless they happen to live very close to the Canadian border.

I’m not sure why that is, but the vast majority of people here in the U.S. say about, not aboot.

 

IN fact, most U.S. natives make fun of the Canadians for saying aboot.

 

 

 

Richard

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I was chatting with someone from New Zealand and she told me some of her compatriots were mimicking the  U S accent. Thus it is not just the screen reader voices, it is Different nations voices.  Example, apparently Canadians and United States persons say aboot instead of about, according to the woman in N Z.   

 

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On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.

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I'd be one of those people, at least for certain voices under certain synthesizers.

It also really depends on just precisely what is being said.  There are voices that, to me, are "virtual perfection" in mimicking human speech until you get to one specific word that's seldom used or an inflection.  But even then, what sounds "normal" to me may very well sound "weird" to someone else.  One experiences that sensation quite often when listening to different human speakers.  (And I'm ignoring "as a second language" issues and regional accents for that sensation.)
 
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