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moderated Re: recent Jaws issue

Richard Turner
 

This will make no sense, but what happens if you turn off Bluetooth, does the button reappear?
If so, that might indicate Jaws doesn't play well with more than one Bluetooth display connected or assume if you are using Bluetooth, you don't' need another display.

I've never found Bluetooth on Windows to be reliable enough to use a braille display myself.





Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: recent Jaws issue

Hi all,
As I mentioned I was getting some tech help, I was getting help with trying to connect a braille display to my laptop via Bluetooth. Well yesterday the tech guy had me uninstall this braille display, under Jaws options under braille there's an add braille display button, and anyway today when we went to add my other braille display this button was gone. Any idea what could've happened to it and how we might be able to get it back? We tried doing a Jaws repair, but that didn't solve the problem. Any help is much appreciated!!!! Using latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated recent Jaws issue

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,
As I mentioned I was getting some tech help, I was getting help with trying to
connect a braille display to my laptop via Bluetooth. Well yesterday the tech
guy had me uninstall this braille display, under Jaws options under braille
there's an add braille display button, and anyway today when we went to add my
other braille display this button was gone. Any idea what could've happened to
it and how we might be able to get it back? We tried doing a Jaws repair, but
that didn't solve the problem. Any help is much appreciated!!!! Using latest
versions of Jaws and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Re: Reinstalling iTunes solved my problem.

Michael Walker
 

Shai,

I am thankful lists like these exist for problems that come up. One cannot always find an answer just by Googling. I used Google, before posting my questions. It is also helpful, to see how others solve problems. I like learning new ways to solve problems, instead of just going by what I already know. There might be better ways that I don't know about.

Mike

On 8/11/2021 1:24 PM, Shai wrote:
Hello Michael,
Thank you for keeping the list updated about this topic. I too was
having the same issue as yourself this morning and I rectified it by
doing the same.
Thanks

On 8/11/21, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I uninstalled the Windows Store version of iTunes. I installed the
desktop version from apple.com, and not the Windows store version. I can
now tab through the interface like normal.

Thanks,

Mike







moderated Re: setting Jaws hotkey

 

If Jaws is not running then it makes no difference how you start it, minimize to the desktop and type "J" to go to its shortcut (provided it's the only Jaws shortcut you have) and press enter, use the keyboard shortcut you defined, use the run command or put Jaws on the taskbar which is my preferred method and bring it up with the
Windows Key + corresponding key in the number row.
One thing to remember is that if Jaws is running and it quits for some reason it may be still running but something has locked it up, in this case I always press Jaws Key + Windows Key +
F4 first and wait about 20 seconds to see if Jaws restarts by itself (that shortcut is the one to restart Jaws) and if not then I restart it manually.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: setting Jaws hotkey

In my experience, running jaws2021 using the Windows Run Command (windows plus r) is a more consistent method for starting JAWS up when it goes silent. Press Windows R to open the run dialog, and type jaws2021. If you are running an earlier release such as JAWS 2020, you would type jaws2020, and when JAWS 2022 comes out, you would type jaws2022.

Kind regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 12:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: setting Jaws hotkey

Greetings:

Find the JAWS shortcut in the Windows Desktop and open its properties. You can set the shortcut key there.

Regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: setting Jaws hotkey

Hi all,
Can someone please refresh my memory of how to set the hotkey to turn Jaws on? I know what it is, but when I press it nothing happens so I know I need to re-set it.
I'm getting some help and the tech guy decided that we needed to do a Jaws repair and in doing so I lost my hotkey to start Jaws. Using latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Re: Reinstalling iTunes solved my problem.

Shai
 

Hello Michael,
Thank you for keeping the list updated about this topic. I too was
having the same issue as yourself this morning and I rectified it by
doing the same.
Thanks

On 8/11/21, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I uninstalled the Windows Store version of iTunes. I installed the
desktop version from apple.com, and not the Windows store version. I can
now tab through the interface like normal.

Thanks,

Mike






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moderated Re: setting Jaws hotkey

Curtis Chong
 

In my experience, running jaws2021 using the Windows Run Command (windows
plus r) is a more consistent method for starting JAWS up when it goes
silent. Press Windows R to open the run dialog, and type jaws2021. If you
are running an earlier release such as JAWS 2020, you would type jaws2020,
and when JAWS 2022 comes out, you would type jaws2022.

Kind regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong via
groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 12:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: setting Jaws hotkey

Greetings:

Find the JAWS shortcut in the Windows Desktop and open its properties. You
can set the shortcut key there.

Regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: setting Jaws hotkey

Hi all,
Can someone please refresh my memory of how to set the hotkey to turn Jaws
on? I
know what it is, but when I press it nothing happens so I know I need to
re-set
it.
I'm getting some help and the tech guy decided that we needed to do a Jaws
repair and in doing so I lost my hotkey to start Jaws. Using latest versions
of
Jaws and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Re: Itunes

Peter Donahue
 

Hello Tony and everyone,

We use JAWS with iTunes all the time. Be sure you have the current
releases of both programs installed on your machine.

Peter Donahue

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Sohl
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Itunes

Hi JAWS does not work to well with Itunes unfortunately!

Sent from my windows 10 HP


moderated Re: setting Jaws hotkey

 

Press Alt + Enter when focus is on the Jaws shortcut on your desktop, tab twice and press the keyboard shortcut you want to use, typically Control + Shift + J or Control + Alt + J, then tab to OK and activate it.
Alternatively, put the Jaws shortcut on the taskbar and use Windows Key + corresponding number on the number row.
For example, press Windows Key + T to go to the taskbar after you added the shortcut, the app you land on is in position 1 hence Windows Key + 1 will be its shortcut.
Arrow right and check where Jaws is, if you have Jaws in 4th position then Windows Key + 4 would start Jaws or activate the Jaws menu if it's already running.
You can also arrange the icons on the taskbar in the order you want, just press Control + Jaws Key + NumPad Slash to start dragging an item, then go left or right with the cursor to where you want it and press the same key combination again to drop the app there.
The Windows 10 taskbar is one of the best things in Windows 10, putting the 5 or 6 most used applications there and accessing them with Windows Key 1 through 5 or 6 is extremely convenient and as these are already predefined Windows shortcuts there is nothing to set up except to put the app on the taskbar.
I think you can put up to 9 apps there for sure, not sure if Windows Key + 0 would work for a tenth app, I only have 5 or 6 there, e.g. my browser in position 1, then Outlook, a shortcut to my point of sale system which is browser-based, but this shortcut loads it directly, then Excel, Notepad, and Jaws.
I very much encourage everybody to learn about other options available for the taskbar like Windows Key + 4 for example starts Excel for me, but if I want to directly open one of the Excel files I recently used or pinned in Excel, I can press Windows Key + Alt + 5 and arrow down through all the pinned files I have there and press enter on the one I want to open.
If I have Notepad open, for me Windows Key + 5 does that, and I want to open a new incident of Notepad I can then press Windows Key + Shift + 5 and a second incident of Notepad opens.
These are very useful and powerful keyboard shortcuts and so easy to use, way more convenient then minimizing to the desktop to open something or even to set your own shortcuts..

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: setting Jaws hotkey

Hi all,
Can someone please refresh my memory of how to set the hotkey to turn Jaws on? I know what it is, but when I press it nothing happens so I know I need to re-set it.
I'm getting some help and the tech guy decided that we needed to do a Jaws repair and in doing so I lost my hotkey to start Jaws. Using latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Re: setting Jaws hotkey

Curtis Chong
 

Greetings:

Find the JAWS shortcut in the Windows Desktop and open its properties. You
can set the shortcut key there.

Regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: setting Jaws hotkey

Hi all,
Can someone please refresh my memory of how to set the hotkey to turn Jaws
on? I
know what it is, but when I press it nothing happens so I know I need to
re-set
it.
I'm getting some help and the tech guy decided that we needed to do a Jaws
repair and in doing so I lost my hotkey to start Jaws. Using latest versions
of
Jaws and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Re: [External] : setting Jaws hotkey

Don Mauck
 

Find the JAWS icon on your Desktop. Do an alt+enter. Tab to the short cut key field, you can set it there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : setting Jaws hotkey

Hi all,
Can someone please refresh my memory of how to set the hotkey to turn Jaws on? I know what it is, but when I press it nothing happens so I know I need to re-set it.
I'm getting some help and the tech guy decided that we needed to do a Jaws repair and in doing so I lost my hotkey to start Jaws. Using latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Re: setting Jaws hotkey

Kevin Minor
 

Hi.

Go to the Windows Desktop.

Find the JAWS shortcut, and press ALT+ENTER

You'll be on the page of the dialogue you need.

Hope this makes sense.

Kevin and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: setting Jaws hotkey

Hi all,
Can someone please refresh my memory of how to set the hotkey to turn Jaws on? I know what it is, but when I press it nothing happens so I know I need to re-set it.
I'm getting some help and the tech guy decided that we needed to do a Jaws repair and in doing so I lost my hotkey to start Jaws. Using latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Re: setting Jaws hotkey

Michael Walker
 

Hi Madison,

Look for the JAWS icon on your desktop. Press ALT+ENTER, to open properties. Tab until you hear the hot key option for setting your preferred hot key. Press J, if you want CTRL+ALT+J to start JAWS. After you typed J, press enter.

Mike

On 8/11/2021 1:06 PM, Madison Martin wrote:
Hi all,
Can someone please refresh my memory of how to set the hotkey to turn Jaws on? I
know what it is, but when I press it nothing happens so I know I need to re-set
it.
I'm getting some help and the tech guy decided that we needed to do a Jaws
repair and in doing so I lost my hotkey to start Jaws. Using latest versions of
Jaws and Windows 10. Thanks Madison






moderated setting Jaws hotkey

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,
Can someone please refresh my memory of how to set the hotkey to turn Jaws on? I
know what it is, but when I press it nothing happens so I know I need to re-set
it.
I'm getting some help and the tech guy decided that we needed to do a Jaws
repair and in doing so I lost my hotkey to start Jaws. Using latest versions of
Jaws and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Reinstalling iTunes solved my problem.

Michael Walker
 

Hi,

I uninstalled the Windows Store version of iTunes. I installed the desktop version from apple.com, and not the Windows store version. I can now tab through the interface like normal.

Thanks,

Mike


moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael Walker
 

I suppose you could consider Apple Software Update an add-on since that helps update iTunes and other Apple products like iCloud. Add-ons like that are necessary though.

On 8/11/2021 12:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
No add-on is included if you download iTunes from Apple directly.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Michael. You certainly can, but the web-site I mentioned allows you to download a lot of programs without any add-ons. IT folks use it a lot, and it is quite handy.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael, why wouldn't you download the desktop version from Apple, instead of using the website you posted?

On 8/11/2021 12:02 PM, Michael Mote wrote:
Hi all. I would not recommend using the Windows Store app version of iTunes.
I would download the desktop version instead. The easiest way to do
that is through the ninite site.
http://www.ninite.com. Select the check box for iTunes, and then
locate the button that says "Get Your Ninite" and download the file
that way. You get iTunes, and no add-ons or anything like that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Well, I'm not sure I'm using the Microsoft store version, but this is
what I get when I launch iTunes and start tabbing.
My view is set to Grid and the current settings is to show albums.

iTunes
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
volume left right slider
37 percent
To increase or decrease use the Arrow keys.
airplay Button
To activate press spacebar.
Edit
iTunes
up next Button
To activate press spacebar.
search options
iTunes
Music Button
To activate press spacebar.
Library radio button checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
For You radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Browse radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Radio radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Store radio button not checked
1 of 5
iTunes
Store radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Library Sidebar Tree view
To move through or expand items use the Arrow keys.
Library Sidebar
Library
Edit Button
To activate press spacebar.
Music Playlists Button
To activate press spacebar.
Hide Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
*At this point, I did a shift tab to the "table, and began using my
right arrow key.

table
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge selected Column 1, Row 1 Whatever Is
Noble, Acapeldridge God Forgive The USA, Adam Hill End of Jaws speech history.


iTunes is most certainly a royal pain. I think I have the Show side
bar on, but can't remember exactly.
I just know I can kind of muddle through.







Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now. I
still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What
view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and
can tab
fine with Jaws 2021.
It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I
cannot tab or shift tab through it. I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.
However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues. How can I make this
work with JAWS?
Thank you,

Mike



































moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

 

No add-on is included if you download iTunes from Apple directly.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Michael. You certainly can, but the web-site I mentioned allows you to download a lot of programs without any add-ons. IT folks use it a lot, and it is quite handy.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael, why wouldn't you download the desktop version from Apple, instead of using the website you posted?

On 8/11/2021 12:02 PM, Michael Mote wrote:
Hi all. I would not recommend using the Windows Store app version of iTunes.
I would download the desktop version instead. The easiest way to do
that is through the ninite site.
http://www.ninite.com. Select the check box for iTunes, and then
locate the button that says "Get Your Ninite" and download the file
that way. You get iTunes, and no add-ons or anything like that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Well, I'm not sure I'm using the Microsoft store version, but this is
what I get when I launch iTunes and start tabbing.
My view is set to Grid and the current settings is to show albums.

iTunes
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
volume left right slider
37 percent
To increase or decrease use the Arrow keys.
airplay Button
To activate press spacebar.
Edit
iTunes
up next Button
To activate press spacebar.
search options
iTunes
Music Button
To activate press spacebar.
Library radio button checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
For You radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Browse radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Radio radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Store radio button not checked
1 of 5
iTunes
Store radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Library Sidebar Tree view
To move through or expand items use the Arrow keys.
Library Sidebar
Library
Edit Button
To activate press spacebar.
Music Playlists Button
To activate press spacebar.
Hide Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
*At this point, I did a shift tab to the "table, and began using my
right arrow key.

table
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge selected Column 1, Row 1 Whatever Is
Noble, Acapeldridge God Forgive The USA, Adam Hill End of Jaws speech history.


iTunes is most certainly a royal pain. I think I have the Show side
bar on, but can't remember exactly.
I just know I can kind of muddle through.







Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now. I
still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What
view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and
can tab
fine with Jaws 2021.
It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
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rner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C5bb29b940eaa46970f7f08d95ce3c1c6%
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I
cannot tab or shift tab through it. I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.
However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues. How can I make this
work with JAWS?
Thank you,

Mike
























moderated Re: Office 365???

Curtis Chong
 

Richard makes a very accurate and disturbing point about employers not
allowing the download and installation of the genuine Microsoft 365 product.
At this moment in time, the software one installs on to a Windows computer
stands out as the most nonvisually-accessible. Thus, an argument could be
made that, for an employee who is blind, refusing to permit the installation
of the genuine Microsoft 365 product is a discriminatory practice.

Kind regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365???

Some employers only use the online version and do not allow their employees
to download the local packages. Keeps I.T. people free to do other things
like, o I don't know, twiddle their thumbs?





Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365???

What do you exactly mean by "it's awfully messy"? Office 365 which now is
called Microsoft 365 is a subscription which allows you to download and
install the Office suite on several devices, once you do this you just use
the apps as always, Word, Excel, Outlook etc.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 2:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx


moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael Walker
 

Hi Michael, I see. I'm typically just skeptical of downloading the programs I want from third party sources, as opposed to getting the program from the company that makes it. The reason for this is that the third party site may eventually not keep up with the latest version, or could insert a backdoor that one doesn't know about. You never know what a third party site could do, since it is outside of the control of the company that makes the program you want.

On 8/11/2021 12:06 PM, Michael Mote wrote:
Hi Michael. You certainly can, but the web-site I mentioned allows you to download a lot of programs without any add-ons. IT folks use it a lot, and it is quite handy.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael, why wouldn't you download the desktop version from Apple, instead of using the website you posted?

On 8/11/2021 12:02 PM, Michael Mote wrote:
Hi all. I would not recommend using the Windows Store app version of iTunes.
I would download the desktop version instead. The easiest way to do
that is through the ninite site.
http://www.ninite.com. Select the check box for iTunes, and then
locate the button that says "Get Your Ninite" and download the file
that way. You get iTunes, and no add-ons or anything like that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Well, I'm not sure I'm using the Microsoft store version, but this is
what I get when I launch iTunes and start tabbing.
My view is set to Grid and the current settings is to show albums.

iTunes
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
volume left right slider
37 percent
To increase or decrease use the Arrow keys.
airplay Button
To activate press spacebar.
Edit
iTunes
up next Button
To activate press spacebar.
search options
iTunes
Music Button
To activate press spacebar.
Library radio button checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
For You radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Browse radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Radio radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Store radio button not checked
1 of 5
iTunes
Store radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Library Sidebar Tree view
To move through or expand items use the Arrow keys.
Library Sidebar
Library
Edit Button
To activate press spacebar.
Music Playlists Button
To activate press spacebar.
Hide Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
*At this point, I did a shift tab to the "table, and began using my
right arrow key.

table
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge selected Column 1, Row 1 Whatever Is
Noble, Acapeldridge God Forgive The USA, Adam Hill End of Jaws speech history.


iTunes is most certainly a royal pain. I think I have the Show side
bar on, but can't remember exactly.
I just know I can kind of muddle through.







Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now. I
still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What
view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and
can tab
fine with Jaws 2021.
It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I
cannot tab or shift tab through it. I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.
However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues. How can I make this
work with JAWS?
Thank you,

Mike






























moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael Walker
 

Richard, CTRL+J is what I tried, to bring up the view options. Grid view wasn't an option there. I may try Michael's suggestion of downloading the desktop version from Apple.

On 8/11/2021 12:04 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Try control_j and see what that gives you.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Music is selected as the media kind. View options doesn't have anything for me. I think I may just reinstall iTunes from the Apple website, instead of using the Windows Store version.

On 8/11/2021 11:53 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Michael,
Press Control+1 to make sure Music is selected as the Media Kind and check the View menu again.
Or, press Control+j for the View Options and see if that helps.

Like I say, iTunes is a pain.




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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Strange that I don't get a view as option and you do.

On 8/11/2021 11:47 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Hi,
Press Alt+v and down arrow through:
Media Kind sub menu
All Music a
Only Downloaded Music checked
View As sub menu *right arrow to open the View As menu and the first item is:
Grid
Press enter to check it and close the menu.

HTH,


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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

How did you set your view to grid?

On 8/11/2021 11:31 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Well, I'm not sure I'm using the Microsoft store version, but this is what I get when I launch iTunes and start tabbing.
My view is set to Grid and the current settings is to show albums.

iTunes
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
volume left right slider
37 percent
To increase or decrease use the Arrow keys.
airplay Button
To activate press spacebar.
Edit
iTunes
up next Button
To activate press spacebar.
search options
iTunes
Music Button
To activate press spacebar.
Library radio button checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
For You radio button not checked To change the selection press
Up or Down Arrow.
Browse radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Radio radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Store radio button not checked
1 of 5
iTunes
Store radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Library Sidebar Tree view
To move through or expand items use the Arrow keys.
Library Sidebar
Library
Edit Button
To activate press spacebar.
Music Playlists Button
To activate press spacebar.
Hide Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
*At this point, I did a shift tab to the "table, and began using my right arrow key.

table
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge selected Column 1, Row 1 Whatever
Is Noble, Acapeldridge God Forgive The USA, Adam Hill End of Jaws
speech history.


iTunes is most certainly a royal pain. I think I have the Show side bar on, but can't remember exactly.
I just know I can kind of muddle through.







Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now.  I still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike
































moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael Mote
 

Hi Michael. You certainly can, but the web-site I mentioned allows you to download a lot of programs without any add-ons. IT folks use it a lot, and it is quite handy.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael, why wouldn't you download the desktop version from Apple, instead of using the website you posted?

On 8/11/2021 12:02 PM, Michael Mote wrote:
Hi all. I would not recommend using the Windows Store app version of iTunes.
I would download the desktop version instead. The easiest way to do
that is through the ninite site.
http://www.ninite.com. Select the check box for iTunes, and then
locate the button that says "Get Your Ninite" and download the file
that way. You get iTunes, and no add-ons or anything like that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Well, I'm not sure I'm using the Microsoft store version, but this is
what I get when I launch iTunes and start tabbing.
My view is set to Grid and the current settings is to show albums.

iTunes
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
volume left right slider
37 percent
To increase or decrease use the Arrow keys.
airplay Button
To activate press spacebar.
Edit
iTunes
up next Button
To activate press spacebar.
search options
iTunes
Music Button
To activate press spacebar.
Library radio button checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
For You radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Browse radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Radio radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Store radio button not checked
1 of 5
iTunes
Store radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Library Sidebar Tree view
To move through or expand items use the Arrow keys.
Library Sidebar
Library
Edit Button
To activate press spacebar.
Music Playlists Button
To activate press spacebar.
Hide Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
*At this point, I did a shift tab to the "table, and began using my
right arrow key.

table
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge selected Column 1, Row 1 Whatever Is
Noble, Acapeldridge God Forgive The USA, Adam Hill End of Jaws speech history.


iTunes is most certainly a royal pain. I think I have the Show side
bar on, but can't remember exactly.
I just know I can kind of muddle through.







Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now. I
still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What
view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and
can tab
fine with Jaws 2021.
It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I
cannot tab or shift tab through it. I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.
However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues. How can I make this
work with JAWS?
Thank you,

Mike























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