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Re: CSS HTML Validator

Richard Turner
 

NoteTab Pro.  However, it too doesn’t get along as well with Jaws as Window-Eyes did.

This is the part of the forced conversion to Jaws that still irritates me.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

Richard, What editor do you use?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 11:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

Kevin thanks, but that is only an online validator where CSS HTML Validator is a professional program that is far more customizable.  I did not find anything specific to accessibility with the one you sent.

 

It would appear I either need to convince the program developer of CSS HTML Validator to hire a scripter or see if I can use NVDA or Narrator.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

I do want to say that while I prefer a package like CSS HTML Validator, I am by no means a professional.  Web pages are a hobby and other than my own, I do one for a nonprofit on a volunteer basis, so I am nothing close to an expert and am pretty much self taught.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

Richard, I looked into using the validator below. I’m not sure if this does the same as the one you were using. I’m just getting into web  development. I tried a few times and was able to get the least of error/warning messages. I know there is some other options which I have not used. This is put out by the W3C organization.

 

The URL is https://validator.w3.org

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

The name is “CSS HTML Validator” which is why I put that in the subject.

It checks for all kinds of html coding errors and has a setting particularly for accessibility.  I’ve used it since 2009.

Not as often in the last couple of years since having to switch to Jaws. 

With Jaws, not much works.  I cannot even simply read the contents of the file.  Let alone the highlighted area that shows up in a different panel with the errors or warnings or just messages with useful information.

 

If I switch to the touch cursor, I can read one line.  Not very useful.

 

With Window-Eyes, I could read everything and was able to define a window and hotkey to read the error messages.

 

Partly it is no doubt my ignorance of Jaws, but I think there are other issues Jaws has with this program and I’m not a scripter and will never become one, so was hoping someone out there had used this software and figured stuff out.

 

Fortunately I had gotten my own web sites fixed while I was using Window-eyes, but I’m now trying to give specific feedback to a company about their web site that is beyond awful and they seem to need some very specific examples of why their web site is awful as they think their stuff doesn’t stink….

 

Richard

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 5:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

What is the name of the validator you used? Is this to check your markup to provide any errors / warnings related to W3C standards?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:25 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: CSS HTML Validator

 

Is anyone else using CSS HTML Validator?

I used it with Window-Eyes very successfully, but I cannot even get Jaws to read anything at all without someone sighted touching the mousepad.

If I activate the touch cursor, I can read one line, but that is it.

 

If anyone knows of any scripts, that would be great!

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 


Re: elementary question

Bill White
 

Hi, Richard. If it were I who was installing office right now, I would consider office 2016 or Office 2019.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Fiorello
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2018 9:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: elementary question

 

Hi;

I am a new list member.  I received a pc running windows ten professional and I can use up to jaws 2019.  I plan to purchase some version of office and although they all theoretically work perfectly, I wonder which version is likely to give me the least grief and if there are any versions I should consider avoiding?

Many thanks

Richard


Re: CSS HTML Validator

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Richard, What editor do you use?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 11:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

Kevin thanks, but that is only an online validator where CSS HTML Validator is a professional program that is far more customizable.  I did not find anything specific to accessibility with the one you sent.

 

It would appear I either need to convince the program developer of CSS HTML Validator to hire a scripter or see if I can use NVDA or Narrator.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

I do want to say that while I prefer a package like CSS HTML Validator, I am by no means a professional.  Web pages are a hobby and other than my own, I do one for a nonprofit on a volunteer basis, so I am nothing close to an expert and am pretty much self taught.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

Richard, I looked into using the validator below. I’m not sure if this does the same as the one you were using. I’m just getting into web  development. I tried a few times and was able to get the least of error/warning messages. I know there is some other options which I have not used. This is put out by the W3C organization.

 

The URL is https://validator.w3.org

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

The name is “CSS HTML Validator” which is why I put that in the subject.

It checks for all kinds of html coding errors and has a setting particularly for accessibility.  I’ve used it since 2009.

Not as often in the last couple of years since having to switch to Jaws. 

With Jaws, not much works.  I cannot even simply read the contents of the file.  Let alone the highlighted area that shows up in a different panel with the errors or warnings or just messages with useful information.

 

If I switch to the touch cursor, I can read one line.  Not very useful.

 

With Window-Eyes, I could read everything and was able to define a window and hotkey to read the error messages.

 

Partly it is no doubt my ignorance of Jaws, but I think there are other issues Jaws has with this program and I’m not a scripter and will never become one, so was hoping someone out there had used this software and figured stuff out.

 

Fortunately I had gotten my own web sites fixed while I was using Window-eyes, but I’m now trying to give specific feedback to a company about their web site that is beyond awful and they seem to need some very specific examples of why their web site is awful as they think their stuff doesn’t stink….

 

Richard

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 5:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

What is the name of the validator you used? Is this to check your markup to provide any errors / warnings related to W3C standards?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:25 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: CSS HTML Validator

 

Is anyone else using CSS HTML Validator?

I used it with Window-Eyes very successfully, but I cannot even get Jaws to read anything at all without someone sighted touching the mousepad.

If I activate the touch cursor, I can read one line, but that is it.

 

If anyone knows of any scripts, that would be great!

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 


Re: CSS HTML Validator

Richard Turner
 

Kevin thanks, but that is only an online validator where CSS HTML Validator is a professional program that is far more customizable.  I did not find anything specific to accessibility with the one you sent.

 

It would appear I either need to convince the program developer of CSS HTML Validator to hire a scripter or see if I can use NVDA or Narrator.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

I do want to say that while I prefer a package like CSS HTML Validator, I am by no means a professional.  Web pages are a hobby and other than my own, I do one for a nonprofit on a volunteer basis, so I am nothing close to an expert and am pretty much self taught.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

Richard, I looked into using the validator below. I’m not sure if this does the same as the one you were using. I’m just getting into web  development. I tried a few times and was able to get the least of error/warning messages. I know there is some other options which I have not used. This is put out by the W3C organization.

 

The URL is https://validator.w3.org

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

The name is “CSS HTML Validator” which is why I put that in the subject.

It checks for all kinds of html coding errors and has a setting particularly for accessibility.  I’ve used it since 2009.

Not as often in the last couple of years since having to switch to Jaws. 

With Jaws, not much works.  I cannot even simply read the contents of the file.  Let alone the highlighted area that shows up in a different panel with the errors or warnings or just messages with useful information.

 

If I switch to the touch cursor, I can read one line.  Not very useful.

 

With Window-Eyes, I could read everything and was able to define a window and hotkey to read the error messages.

 

Partly it is no doubt my ignorance of Jaws, but I think there are other issues Jaws has with this program and I’m not a scripter and will never become one, so was hoping someone out there had used this software and figured stuff out.

 

Fortunately I had gotten my own web sites fixed while I was using Window-eyes, but I’m now trying to give specific feedback to a company about their web site that is beyond awful and they seem to need some very specific examples of why their web site is awful as they think their stuff doesn’t stink….

 

Richard

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 5:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

What is the name of the validator you used? Is this to check your markup to provide any errors / warnings related to W3C standards?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:25 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: CSS HTML Validator

 

Is anyone else using CSS HTML Validator?

I used it with Window-Eyes very successfully, but I cannot even get Jaws to read anything at all without someone sighted touching the mousepad.

If I activate the touch cursor, I can read one line, but that is it.

 

If anyone knows of any scripts, that would be great!

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 


elementary question

Richard Fiorello <richardfiorello716@...>
 

Hi;

I am a new list member.  I received a pc running windows ten professional and I can use up to jaws 2019.  I plan to purchase some version of office and although they all theoretically work perfectly, I wonder which version is likely to give me the least grief and if there are any versions I should consider avoiding?

Many thanks

Richard


Re: CSS HTML Validator

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Richard, I looked into using the validator below. I’m not sure if this does the same as the one you were using. I’m just getting into web  development. I tried a few times and was able to get the least of error/warning messages. I know there is some other options which I have not used. This is put out by the W3C organization.

 

The URL is https://validator.w3.org

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

The name is “CSS HTML Validator” which is why I put that in the subject.

It checks for all kinds of html coding errors and has a setting particularly for accessibility.  I’ve used it since 2009.

Not as often in the last couple of years since having to switch to Jaws. 

With Jaws, not much works.  I cannot even simply read the contents of the file.  Let alone the highlighted area that shows up in a different panel with the errors or warnings or just messages with useful information.

 

If I switch to the touch cursor, I can read one line.  Not very useful.

 

With Window-Eyes, I could read everything and was able to define a window and hotkey to read the error messages.

 

Partly it is no doubt my ignorance of Jaws, but I think there are other issues Jaws has with this program and I’m not a scripter and will never become one, so was hoping someone out there had used this software and figured stuff out.

 

Fortunately I had gotten my own web sites fixed while I was using Window-eyes, but I’m now trying to give specific feedback to a company about their web site that is beyond awful and they seem to need some very specific examples of why their web site is awful as they think their stuff doesn’t stink….

 

Richard

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 5:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

What is the name of the validator you used? Is this to check your markup to provide any errors / warnings related to W3C standards?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:25 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: CSS HTML Validator

 

Is anyone else using CSS HTML Validator?

I used it with Window-Eyes very successfully, but I cannot even get Jaws to read anything at all without someone sighted touching the mousepad.

If I activate the touch cursor, I can read one line, but that is it.

 

If anyone knows of any scripts, that would be great!

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 


Re: CSS HTML Validator

Richard Turner
 

The name is “CSS HTML Validator” which is why I put that in the subject.

It checks for all kinds of html coding errors and has a setting particularly for accessibility.  I’ve used it since 2009.

Not as often in the last couple of years since having to switch to Jaws. 

With Jaws, not much works.  I cannot even simply read the contents of the file.  Let alone the highlighted area that shows up in a different panel with the errors or warnings or just messages with useful information.

 

If I switch to the touch cursor, I can read one line.  Not very useful.

 

With Window-Eyes, I could read everything and was able to define a window and hotkey to read the error messages.

 

Partly it is no doubt my ignorance of Jaws, but I think there are other issues Jaws has with this program and I’m not a scripter and will never become one, so was hoping someone out there had used this software and figured stuff out.

 

Fortunately I had gotten my own web sites fixed while I was using Window-eyes, but I’m now trying to give specific feedback to a company about their web site that is beyond awful and they seem to need some very specific examples of why their web site is awful as they think their stuff doesn’t stink….

 

Richard

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 5:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: CSS HTML Validator

 

What is the name of the validator you used? Is this to check your markup to provide any errors / warnings related to W3C standards?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:25 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: CSS HTML Validator

 

Is anyone else using CSS HTML Validator?

I used it with Window-Eyes very successfully, but I cannot even get Jaws to read anything at all without someone sighted touching the mousepad.

If I activate the touch cursor, I can read one line, but that is it.

 

If anyone knows of any scripts, that would be great!

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 


Re: CSS HTML Validator

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

What is the name of the validator you used? Is this to check your markup to provide any errors / warnings related to W3C standards?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:25 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: CSS HTML Validator

 

Is anyone else using CSS HTML Validator?

I used it with Window-Eyes very successfully, but I cannot even get Jaws to read anything at all without someone sighted touching the mousepad.

If I activate the touch cursor, I can read one line, but that is it.

 

If anyone knows of any scripts, that would be great!

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 


Re: updating jfw

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

go to

www.freedomscientific.com

downloads, jaws, and you will find the latest version there

download it to your p c and then close everything and click on it and it
will install follow the prompts.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Grady
Sent: December 27, 2018 4:54
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: updating jfw

I have jfw218 but I'd like to update to 219. What's the best way to do this
with minimum human contact?


updating jfw

Tim Grady
 

I have jfw218 but I'd like to update to 219. What's the best way to do this
with minimum human contact?


Re: Spell check in Word 2016

Nate Kile
 

Hello,

About 3 months ago,

I had to completely remove/restore my Mac book pro because it would not return to the Mac OS. It would not even show that there was a Mac side, I had to remove everything and restore it to a single partition and now I will only run Mac OS on a Mac product. My Boot camp days are over.

Just my personal experience though, and I read about others having the same issue.

Regards,



Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, TechVision
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com


On 12/26/2018 4:27 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

It's annoying when each side is blaming the other when something goes wrong. I'm having trouble with boot camp loosing free space. MS says, "Not our problem it is an Apple problem." Apple says, "It is a M S problem since it is now a Windows computer."

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Sandoval
Sent: December 26, 2018 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

Hi everyone, I’m coming in to this a bit late, but here’s my findings.

Spell Check is unreliable in MS-Word 2016 via the F7 method. For some reason I have not seen the described behavior on PC’s running the 365 version of MS-Word.
I’ve advised that clients learn the alt shift L method as a backup anyway, but this has been a problem for at least a year.

I’ve spoken to Vispero, and they say it’s a Microsoft problem, and Microsoft says it’s a Jaws issue.

Not sure what is different in 365’s version that has this problem fixed.

Can anyone confirm?

On Dec 18, 2018, at 7:34 AM, Alan Robbins <arobbin2@nycap.rr.com> wrote:

Thanks to all for a variety of ways to spell check in Word 2016.
Preferred the old way but technology moves on and we must too.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant,
Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

Alt F7 takes you to each misspelled word. Issue with this method is
that it opens the context menu with suggested changes in it. That
often works, but you have to press Escape once or twice to get out and
read the word in context if it's not obvious what word it is. I think
this is a Word Command, not a JAWS one, so it probably works well for
sighted users who can see the misspelled word and are ready to see the list of suggestions.

The reason it works differently in Word from Outlook is that Outlook
still uses the old dialog box interface, whereas Word has gone to a
ride side pane display for spell check.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

I don't like it either, but better than nothing. If you press enter on
the word JAWS finds, I think it takes you to it. I still use f7, then
escape to find the word, then try to figure it from there. Stinkin' annoying!
At 09:36 AM 12/17/2018, you wrote:
Ann,

Thanks, did not know about this. Better than nothing but it does not
take you to where you are in the document so you can ctrl arrow
around to see the context. It also does not spell the misspelled work
out and then give choices. Workable, yes, preferred to the normal
behavior with F7,
no.
Thanks for sharing

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 8:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

In her Word 2016 text book, KathyAnn Murtha recommends either using
the JAWS command alt+shift+l to locate misspelled words, or insert+z
to invoke Word's quick keys, then the lletter m to locate misspelled
words. Once you have found a misspelleing, use the applications key
to
suggest corrections.
At 06:36 PM 12/16/2018, you wrote:
Using Win 10 pro version 1803, and latest version of Jaws 2019 I do
not get full speech when doing a spell/grammar check in Word 2016.
When I hit F7 to do the spell check in an open Word document, I'm
given an option to change language and as I tab possible suggested
correctly spelled words. The problem is Jaws is not reading me the
word that is spelled wrong so I do not know what I'm replacing or if
I want to replace. Anyone found a work around for this?
This does not happen in outlook 2016, spell check works the way it
is supposed to.
Al








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Re: Spell check in Word 2016

Nate Kile
 

Hello,

I use the alt/shift/L for spot checking documents, but on all of the computers in our computer lab, once in the spell checker dialog with F7, Insert/F7 will still announce the misspelled word that is targeted for correction still.

Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, TechVision
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com




On 12/26/2018 3:42 PM, Paul Sandoval wrote:
Hi everyone, I’m coming in to this a bit late, but here’s my findings.

Spell Check is unreliable in MS-Word 2016 via the F7 method. For some reason I have not seen the described behavior on PC’s running the 365 version of MS-Word.
I’ve advised that clients learn the alt shift L method as a backup anyway, but this has been a problem for at least a year.

I’ve spoken to Vispero, and they say it’s a Microsoft problem, and Microsoft says it’s a Jaws issue.

Not sure what is different in 365’s version that has this problem fixed.

Can anyone confirm?

On Dec 18, 2018, at 7:34 AM, Alan Robbins <arobbin2@nycap.rr.com> wrote:

Thanks to all for a variety of ways to spell check in Word 2016. Preferred
the old way but technology moves on and we must too.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin
via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

Alt F7 takes you to each misspelled word. Issue with this method is that it
opens the context menu with suggested changes in it. That often works, but
you have to press Escape once or twice to get out and read the word in
context if it's not obvious what word it is. I think this is a Word
Command, not a JAWS one, so it probably works well for sighted users who can
see the misspelled word and are ready to see the list of suggestions.

The reason it works differently in Word from Outlook is that Outlook still
uses the old dialog box interface, whereas Word has gone to a ride side pane
display for spell check.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

I don't like it either, but better than nothing. If you press enter on the
word JAWS finds, I think it takes you to it. I still use f7, then escape to
find the word, then try to figure it from there. Stinkin' annoying!
At 09:36 AM 12/17/2018, you wrote:
Ann,

Thanks, did not know about this. Better than nothing but it does not
take you to where you are in the document so you can ctrl arrow around
to see the context. It also does not spell the misspelled work out and
then give choices. Workable, yes, preferred to the normal behavior with F7,
no.
Thanks for sharing

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 8:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

In her Word 2016 text book, KathyAnn Murtha recommends either using the
JAWS command alt+shift+l to locate misspelled words, or insert+z to
invoke Word's quick keys, then the lletter m to locate misspelled
words. Once you have found a misspelleing, use the applications key to
suggest corrections.
At 06:36 PM 12/16/2018, you wrote:
Using Win 10 pro version 1803, and latest version of Jaws 2019 I do
not get full speech when doing a spell/grammar check in Word 2016.
When I hit F7 to do the spell check in an open Word document, I'm
given an option to change language and as I tab possible suggested
correctly spelled words. The problem is Jaws is not reading me the
word that is spelled wrong so I do not know what I'm replacing or if
I want to replace. Anyone found a work around for this?
This does not happen in outlook 2016, spell check works the way it is
supposed to.
Al








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Re: Spell check in Word 2016

David & his pack of dogs
 

It's annoying when each side is blaming the other when something goes wrong. I'm having trouble with boot camp loosing free space. MS says, "Not our problem it is an Apple problem." Apple says, "It is a M S problem since it is now a Windows computer."

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Sandoval
Sent: December 26, 2018 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

Hi everyone, I’m coming in to this a bit late, but here’s my findings.

Spell Check is unreliable in MS-Word 2016 via the F7 method. For some reason I have not seen the described behavior on PC’s running the 365 version of MS-Word.
I’ve advised that clients learn the alt shift L method as a backup anyway, but this has been a problem for at least a year.

I’ve spoken to Vispero, and they say it’s a Microsoft problem, and Microsoft says it’s a Jaws issue.

Not sure what is different in 365’s version that has this problem fixed.

Can anyone confirm?

On Dec 18, 2018, at 7:34 AM, Alan Robbins <arobbin2@nycap.rr.com> wrote:

Thanks to all for a variety of ways to spell check in Word 2016.
Preferred the old way but technology moves on and we must too.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant,
Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

Alt F7 takes you to each misspelled word. Issue with this method is
that it opens the context menu with suggested changes in it. That
often works, but you have to press Escape once or twice to get out and
read the word in context if it's not obvious what word it is. I think
this is a Word Command, not a JAWS one, so it probably works well for
sighted users who can see the misspelled word and are ready to see the list of suggestions.

The reason it works differently in Word from Outlook is that Outlook
still uses the old dialog box interface, whereas Word has gone to a
ride side pane display for spell check.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

I don't like it either, but better than nothing. If you press enter on
the word JAWS finds, I think it takes you to it. I still use f7, then
escape to find the word, then try to figure it from there. Stinkin' annoying!
At 09:36 AM 12/17/2018, you wrote:
Ann,

Thanks, did not know about this. Better than nothing but it does not
take you to where you are in the document so you can ctrl arrow
around to see the context. It also does not spell the misspelled work
out and then give choices. Workable, yes, preferred to the normal
behavior with F7,
no.
Thanks for sharing

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 8:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

In her Word 2016 text book, KathyAnn Murtha recommends either using
the JAWS command alt+shift+l to locate misspelled words, or insert+z
to invoke Word's quick keys, then the lletter m to locate misspelled
words. Once you have found a misspelleing, use the applications key
to
suggest corrections.
At 06:36 PM 12/16/2018, you wrote:
Using Win 10 pro version 1803, and latest version of Jaws 2019 I do
not get full speech when doing a spell/grammar check in Word 2016.
When I hit F7 to do the spell check in an open Word document, I'm
given an option to change language and as I tab possible suggested
correctly spelled words. The problem is Jaws is not reading me the
word that is spelled wrong so I do not know what I'm replacing or if
I want to replace. Anyone found a work around for this?
This does not happen in outlook 2016, spell check works the way it
is supposed to.
Al










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Re: images in book

ely.r@...
 

Kevin, When someone looked at the images, were they part of the diagram or were they captions below the image. If part of the interior of an image like a diagram, the original OCR engine may not have recognize them from lines or other details of the image. What is the source of the eBook, and is it a DAISY structured book?

Rick

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 7:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: images in book

 

Rick, The book is in an electronic format. A friend looked at a few of the figures and said they have text.  This is a book for a web development class I will be taking.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: images in book

 

Kevin,

If the images are diagrams or photos there may be nothing there for an OCR program to convert to text. Not knowing what the technical manual may cover, the images could be true handwriting meaning not a common script font. The case there would be the same. Wish I had better news or advice.

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:57 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: images in book

 

Hello, I’m using windows10, jaws 2018 and Vital Source to read a technical book which there are many figures that are images. Jaws is unable to read the images. I copyed the image and put into a word file. I then put the cursor on the file name and used Jaws OCR. It wasn’t able to read anything. Should I try some other method? I should say Vital Source is an application where books can be placed. There are options to put book marks, notes and other options. Cheers, Kevin


Re: images in book

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

The figure in a picture format does have text. You said I should OCR it before putting it into a document. The book is in electronic format. How would I be able to OCR a figure? Is it possible to put the cursor on the line where the figure exists and then activate the Jaws OCR? I know I could do that from outside a document.

 

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: images in book

 

OCR the image *before* putting it in a document.

Then copy and paste the resulting text.

Maybe that.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: December 26, 2018 4:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: images in book

 

I only had one image in the word document. I had the text before the image and even after it. It couldn’t read anything. Should I put the images in some other type of document?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: images in book

 

Perhaps try recognizing one image at a time?

 

Not heard of the program.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:57 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: images in book

 

Hello, I’m using windows10, jaws 2018 and Vital Source to read a technical book which there are many figures that are images. Jaws is unable to read the images. I copyed the image and put into a word file. I then put the cursor on the file name and used Jaws OCR. It wasn’t able to read anything. Should I try some other method? I should say Vital Source is an application where books can be placed. There are options to put book marks, notes and other options. Cheers, Kevin


Re: images in book

Kevin Meyers <kevinmeyers@...>
 

Rick, The book is in an electronic format. A friend looked at a few of the figures and said they have text.  This is a book for a web development class I will be taking.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: images in book

 

Kevin,

If the images are diagrams or photos there may be nothing there for an OCR program to convert to text. Not knowing what the technical manual may cover, the images could be true handwriting meaning not a common script font. The case there would be the same. Wish I had better news or advice.

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:57 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: images in book

 

Hello, I’m using windows10, jaws 2018 and Vital Source to read a technical book which there are many figures that are images. Jaws is unable to read the images. I copyed the image and put into a word file. I then put the cursor on the file name and used Jaws OCR. It wasn’t able to read anything. Should I try some other method? I should say Vital Source is an application where books can be placed. There are options to put book marks, notes and other options. Cheers, Kevin


Re: Spell check in Word 2016

Paul Sandoval
 

Hi everyone, I’m coming in to this a bit late, but here’s my findings.

Spell Check is unreliable in MS-Word 2016 via the F7 method. For some reason I have not seen the described behavior on PC’s running the 365 version of MS-Word.
I’ve advised that clients learn the alt shift L method as a backup anyway, but this has been a problem for at least a year.

I’ve spoken to Vispero, and they say it’s a Microsoft problem, and Microsoft says it’s a Jaws issue.

Not sure what is different in 365’s version that has this problem fixed.

Can anyone confirm?

On Dec 18, 2018, at 7:34 AM, Alan Robbins <arobbin2@nycap.rr.com> wrote:

Thanks to all for a variety of ways to spell check in Word 2016. Preferred
the old way but technology moves on and we must too.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin
via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 1:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

Alt F7 takes you to each misspelled word. Issue with this method is that it
opens the context menu with suggested changes in it. That often works, but
you have to press Escape once or twice to get out and read the word in
context if it's not obvious what word it is. I think this is a Word
Command, not a JAWS one, so it probably works well for sighted users who can
see the misspelled word and are ready to see the list of suggestions.

The reason it works differently in Word from Outlook is that Outlook still
uses the old dialog box interface, whereas Word has gone to a ride side pane
display for spell check.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

I don't like it either, but better than nothing. If you press enter on the
word JAWS finds, I think it takes you to it. I still use f7, then escape to
find the word, then try to figure it from there. Stinkin' annoying!
At 09:36 AM 12/17/2018, you wrote:
Ann,

Thanks, did not know about this. Better than nothing but it does not
take you to where you are in the document so you can ctrl arrow around
to see the context. It also does not spell the misspelled work out and
then give choices. Workable, yes, preferred to the normal behavior with F7,
no.
Thanks for sharing

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 8:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Spell check in Word 2016

In her Word 2016 text book, KathyAnn Murtha recommends either using the
JAWS command alt+shift+l to locate misspelled words, or insert+z to
invoke Word's quick keys, then the lletter m to locate misspelled
words. Once you have found a misspelleing, use the applications key to
suggest corrections.
At 06:36 PM 12/16/2018, you wrote:
Using Win 10 pro version 1803, and latest version of Jaws 2019 I do
not get full speech when doing a spell/grammar check in Word 2016.
When I hit F7 to do the spell check in an open Word document, I'm
given an option to change language and as I tab possible suggested
correctly spelled words. The problem is Jaws is not reading me the
word that is spelled wrong so I do not know what I'm replacing or if
I want to replace. Anyone found a work around for this?
This does not happen in outlook 2016, spell check works the way it is
supposed to.
Al










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It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the
intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying,
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communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy
the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This
communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers
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Re: images in book

JM Casey
 

OCR the image *before* putting it in a document.

Then copy and paste the resulting text.

Maybe that.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: December 26, 2018 4:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: images in book

 

I only had one image in the word document. I had the text before the image and even after it. It couldn’t read anything. Should I put the images in some other type of document?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: images in book

 

Perhaps try recognizing one image at a time?

 

Not heard of the program.

 

Richard

 

 

 

“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:57 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: images in book

 

Hello, I’m using windows10, jaws 2018 and Vital Source to read a technical book which there are many figures that are images. Jaws is unable to read the images. I copyed the image and put into a word file. I then put the cursor on the file name and used Jaws OCR. It wasn’t able to read anything. Should I try some other method? I should say Vital Source is an application where books can be placed. There are options to put book marks, notes and other options. Cheers, Kevin


Re: Time announcement

T. Civitello
 

Thanks Mike. It was already set to highlighted.  Tom
 

From: Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Time announcement
 
Hi Tom,
Check your screen echo.  If your screen echo accidentally got set to all, return it to
highlighted with the Insert+s, keystroke.
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
I type out everything I want to remember. That way instead of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it was, I spend the time looking for where I saved it!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:37 PM
Subject: Time announcement
 
Ever since the last Jaws 2019 update Jaws for some reason breaks out and talks every 60 seconds announcing the time. Don’t see anything in the settings about this. Anyone else having this occur?  Tom


Re: Time announcement

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 


Hi Tom,
Check your screen echo.  If your screen echo accidentally got set to all, return it to
highlighted with the Insert+s, keystroke.
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
I type out everything I want to remember. That way instead of spending a lot of time trying to remember what it was, I spend the time looking for where I saved it!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:37 PM
Subject: Time announcement

Ever since the last Jaws 2019 update Jaws for some reason breaks out and talks every 60 seconds announcing the time. Don’t see anything in the settings about this. Anyone else having this occur?  Tom

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