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Accessible Business Management Software

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Hi, it's Annabelle.
I know this might sound complicated, but I'm wondering, do any of you JAWS members out there know if there's a software that works with JAWS, with which I can manage customer accounts? When I start my company making products and services that are accessible for people of all abilities, I want to be able to have an accessible software for managing customers' information, such as billing addresses, shipping addresses, order numbers, and receipts, for when they want to purchase a product or service from my company. I guess you could say I'm thinking of a software for management of customers' orders. Are there any good business management softwares out there that work well with JAWS?


Re: strange navigation issue with firefox

Bill White
 

What kind of laptop do you have. If it isn't a Del computer, someone sighted needs to go into your BIOS or UEFI and turn off Media Keys, Action Keys, or Hot Keys, however it presents itself in your particular computer's BIOS or UEFI.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 6:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange navigation issue with firefox

hey guys. OK, as an example, if i hit, f1, all my audio mutes. This
has to be related to it

On 10/2/18, Jed Barton <jed@...> wrote:
this is getting stranger by the minute, the function keys don't seem
to be working well. i can't figure it out, like they don't seem to be
working right any thoughts?

On 10/2/18, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:
an idea, but you probably thought of this.

first thing to check is the keyboard layout that the screen reader is
set to use. the laptop layout should be set for the laptop, see if that
makes a difference.

second, you can enable keyboard help and press that key to see if it is
identified as a home key. if you're using JAWS or NVDA, the command is
insert+1 above the letters. this is a toggle to enable or disable the
feature.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Jed Barton [mailto:jedbarton@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Oct 2, 2018 6:53 PM EST
To: main
Subject: strange navigation issue with firefox

Hey guys,

OK, got a good 1 here. So i haven't used the actual keyboard on my
laptop on ages. I usually use an external 1, but tonight i am using
the internal keyboard. For some reason, i am on a web page, and i
pressed alt home, or what i thought was alt home, and that usually
goes back to my home page. Not on the actual laptop keyboard, it's
not working. puzzled to say the least. At the end of the function
keys, there are a bunch of other keys, and atleast from my experience,
the 1st 1 of those keys is home. Am i missing something here, any
ideas? It works fine on my external keyboard.

Thanks,
Jed



.






Re: strange navigation issue with firefox

Jed Barton <jedbarton@...>
 

hey guys. OK, as an example, if i hit, f1, all my audio mutes. This
has to be related to it

On 10/2/18, Jed Barton <jed@...> wrote:
this is getting stranger by the minute, the function keys don't seem
to be working well. i can't figure it out, like they don't seem to be
working right any thoughts?

On 10/2/18, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:
an idea, but you probably thought of this.

first thing to check is the keyboard layout that the screen reader is
set to use. the laptop layout should be set for the laptop, see if that
makes a difference.

second, you can enable keyboard help and press that key to see if it is
identified as a home key. if you're using JAWS or NVDA, the command is
insert+1 above the letters. this is a toggle to enable or disable the
feature.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Jed Barton [mailto:jedbarton@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Oct 2, 2018 6:53 PM EST
To: main
Subject: strange navigation issue with firefox

Hey guys,

OK, got a good 1 here. So i haven't used the actual keyboard on my
laptop on ages. I usually use an external 1, but tonight i am using
the internal keyboard. For some reason, i am on a web page, and i
pressed alt home, or what i thought was alt home, and that usually
goes back to my home page. Not on the actual laptop keyboard, it's
not working. puzzled to say the least. At the end of the function
keys, there are a bunch of other keys, and atleast from my experience,
the 1st 1 of those keys is home. Am i missing something here, any
ideas? It works fine on my external keyboard.

Thanks,
Jed



.






Re: strange navigation issue with firefox

Jed Barton <jedbarton@...>
 

this is getting stranger by the minute, the function keys don't seem
to be working well. i can't figure it out, like they don't seem to be
working right any thoughts?

On 10/2/18, Mario <mrb620@...> wrote:
an idea, but you probably thought of this.

first thing to check is the keyboard layout that the screen reader is
set to use. the laptop layout should be set for the laptop, see if that
makes a difference.

second, you can enable keyboard help and press that key to see if it is
identified as a home key. if you're using JAWS or NVDA, the command is
insert+1 above the letters. this is a toggle to enable or disable the
feature.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Jed Barton [mailto:jedbarton@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Oct 2, 2018 6:53 PM EST
To: main
Subject: strange navigation issue with firefox

Hey guys,

OK, got a good 1 here. So i haven't used the actual keyboard on my
laptop on ages. I usually use an external 1, but tonight i am using
the internal keyboard. For some reason, i am on a web page, and i
pressed alt home, or what i thought was alt home, and that usually
goes back to my home page. Not on the actual laptop keyboard, it's
not working. puzzled to say the least. At the end of the function
keys, there are a bunch of other keys, and atleast from my experience,
the 1st 1 of those keys is home. Am i missing something here, any
ideas? It works fine on my external keyboard.

Thanks,
Jed



.






Jaws 2018 and Win 10 1809

Don H
 

My computer has updated itself to Win 10 1809.  After the upgrade was complete I got a error message stating that fsatproxy.exe could not be started.  I closed the dialog box stating this by hitting on the OK button.  I then rebooted the computer and this message did not come up again.  Jaws 2018 seems to be running ok.


Re: strange navigation issue with firefox

Mario
 

an idea, but you probably thought of this.

first thing to check is the keyboard layout that the screen reader is
set to use. the laptop layout should be set for the laptop, see if that
makes a difference.

second, you can enable keyboard help and press that key to see if it is
identified as a home key. if you're using JAWS or NVDA, the command is
insert+1 above the letters. this is a toggle to enable or disable the
feature.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jed Barton [mailto:jedbarton@...]
Sent: Tuesday, Oct 2, 2018 6:53 PM EST
To: main
Subject: strange navigation issue with firefox

Hey guys,

OK, got a good 1 here. So i haven't used the actual keyboard on my
laptop on ages. I usually use an external 1, but tonight i am using
the internal keyboard. For some reason, i am on a web page, and i
pressed alt home, or what i thought was alt home, and that usually
goes back to my home page. Not on the actual laptop keyboard, it's
not working. puzzled to say the least. At the end of the function
keys, there are a bunch of other keys, and atleast from my experience,
the 1st 1 of those keys is home. Am i missing something here, any
ideas? It works fine on my external keyboard.

Thanks,
Jed



.


Re: strange navigation issue with firefox

Bill White
 

Hi, Jed. The Home key should say Home if it is pressed, if Access Keys are set to speak. If you're running NVDA, did the Home key speak before? If it is not speaking now, it's not the home key. Usually on a laptop, the Home key is the FN key plus the Left Arrow.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 3:54 PM
To: main
Subject: strange navigation issue with firefox

Hey guys,

OK, got a good 1 here. So i haven't used the actual keyboard on my
laptop on ages. I usually use an external 1, but tonight i am using
the internal keyboard. For some reason, i am on a web page, and i
pressed alt home, or what i thought was alt home, and that usually
goes back to my home page. Not on the actual laptop keyboard, it's
not working. puzzled to say the least. At the end of the function
keys, there are a bunch of other keys, and atleast from my experience,
the 1st 1 of those keys is home. Am i missing something here, any
ideas? It works fine on my external keyboard.

Thanks,
Jed


strange navigation issue with firefox

Jed Barton <jedbarton@...>
 

Hey guys,

OK, got a good 1 here. So i haven't used the actual keyboard on my
laptop on ages. I usually use an external 1, but tonight i am using
the internal keyboard. For some reason, i am on a web page, and i
pressed alt home, or what i thought was alt home, and that usually
goes back to my home page. Not on the actual laptop keyboard, it's
not working. puzzled to say the least. At the end of the function
keys, there are a bunch of other keys, and atleast from my experience,
the 1st 1 of those keys is home. Am i missing something here, any
ideas? It works fine on my external keyboard.

Thanks,
Jed


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 03:25 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

I don’t understand the rationale for the inconsistent behavior;

 

Any ideas?

I would uninstall the Google Chrome Browser, followed by a system Restart, then reinstall Chrome and see if that fixes it.

I don't doubt that there are occasional webpages that contain scripting that hoses up the normal behavior of Chrome (and, potentially, other browsers) but you seem to be experiencing this far more frequently than anyone else does.  There are sometimes idiosyncratic corruptions in a Chrome installation and an uninstall/reinstall can sometimes fix those.

If you use Chrome with extensions, I would consider starting up with all extensions disabled and see if the behavior persists.  If it doesn't, then use the "disable half" of your extension and restart Chrome to see if the behavior persists.   If it does, then reenable all the ones you had disabled and disable the other half.  When you restart, you should have the behavior disappear.  Then start re-enabling by halves/disabling by halves until you zero in on the extension that's the culprit.

It's the same concept as the Windows clean boot process where you keep doing stepwise elimination by halves to zero in on an issue-causing startup process.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Making JAWS announce shortcut sequences

Ann Byrne
 

The easy way to get to most of the most relevant JAWS commands is to jump to the start up wizzard with alt+h, then z. The goodies are there in a bunch, regardless of where they live in the menus.

At 01:23 PM 10/2/2018, you wrote:
Everyone can ignore this reply. I'm doing filter testing with Google and want to pass this through a pre-existing one.--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 Â

   A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

         ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

Michael Mote
 

Sometimes, I have better luck pressing Alt plus F to bring up my menu options in Chrome.  I also use this followed by the letter B as a shortcut to find my list of book marks. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 3:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

Thank you muchly;

I guess that isn’t my original problem;

 

My original problem is that some pages I go onto allow me to hit the alt key and it shows the chrome menus and toolbars, etc,

And yet, others, hitting alt does absolutely nothing;

 

Not only that,

The pages where alt does nothing,

On those pages, ctrl+d to add the current page as a favorite doesn’t work either;

Its like some pages disable all the keyboard functionality?

 

I see this a lot from the google home page when first starting out on the browser;

 

I tried the f11 thinking that full screen was inadvertently turned on,

And still no go,

I don’t understand the rationale for the inconsistent behavior;

 

Any ideas?

 

Mike m.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 3:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

F11 is the toggle in to or out of Full Screen mode in the Chrome browser.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

mike mcglashon
 

Thank you muchly;

I guess that isn’t my original problem;

 

My original problem is that some pages I go onto allow me to hit the alt key and it shows the chrome menus and toolbars, etc,

And yet, others, hitting alt does absolutely nothing;

 

Not only that,

The pages where alt does nothing,

On those pages, ctrl+d to add the current page as a favorite doesn’t work either;

Its like some pages disable all the keyboard functionality?

 

I see this a lot from the google home page when first starting out on the browser;

 

I tried the f11 thinking that full screen was inadvertently turned on,

And still no go,

I don’t understand the rationale for the inconsistent behavior;

 

Any ideas?

 

Mike m.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 3:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

F11 is the toggle in to or out of Full Screen mode in the Chrome browser.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

Michael Mote
 

You do this by pressing the function key F11.  It is a toggle, so to tur it on press it once, and to turn it off, press it again.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

how do you turn full screen on and off then?

contact information
Mike McGlashon
PH: 618-783-9331
Email: michael.mcglashon@...


On Oct 2, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Hi, Sieghard. Perhaps you have Chrome set to Full-Screen Mode. If I set any browser to Full-Screen Mode, the menus are hidden, and if I press ALT plus anything, the menus don’t come up.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

Very strange why this is inconsistent, but Alt+F does nothing for me and it doesn’t matter if I press and hold Alt and press F which is what Alt+F usually means or if I press Alt and let go and then press F. Actually, Alt+Down Arrow also does nothing.

For me it is pressing Alt by itself and letting go which brings up the menu, Jaws will say Customize and control Google Chrome.

If I press either up or down arrow at this point I get Settings, Help and Exit as the first three options, if I down arrow more I get to things like New Tab, New Window, New Incognito Window etc.

If I press up arrow after Alt I again get Settings, but then if I keep pressing up arrow it wraps around and I get the Paste which is the last option if I were to press down arrow.

 

As you said, Brian, if I press Alt and let go and then press left arrow it will take me into my list of installed extensions starting at the very right. That one is nice to know since usually I would go there by pressing F6 followed by Tab.

Pressing right arrow which I thought may take you to the extensions starting from the left side takes you to Reload this page, if I right arrow again I get View site information button menu secure and right again then goes into the address bar.

 

This is how it works on this laptop, I’ll try to remember to see if my desktops at work behave the same way.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 03:59 AM, paul lemm wrote:

I just tried the alt, f and then B

Well, I can get ALT+F to bring up the Chrome Menu just as ALT followed by Down Arrow (which I note, and have seen others note as "ALT, Down Arrow").  If you follow either by B it will bring up the Bookmarks submenu which can then be up/down arrow and/or first letter navigated.

Interestingly ALT, Up Arrow will "drop down" the Chrome Menu, too.  If you have extensions ALT, Left Arrow will start moving you through any visible controls on the right side of the Chrome control bar, starting with your Chrome login then followed after that by whatever extensions you have installed that have visible controls, then dealing with the address box and its controls.

Chrome is quite accessible, it's just a matter of figuring out it's eccentricities (pretty much like having to figure out any program's eccentricities).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

F11 is the toggle in to or out of Full Screen mode in the Chrome browser.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

mike mcglashon
 

how do you turn full screen on and off then?

contact information
Mike McGlashon
PH: 618-783-9331
Email: michael.mcglashon@...


On Oct 2, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Hi, Sieghard. Perhaps you have Chrome set to Full-Screen Mode. If I set any browser to Full-Screen Mode, the menus are hidden, and if I press ALT plus anything, the menus don’t come up.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

Very strange why this is inconsistent, but Alt+F does nothing for me and it doesn’t matter if I press and hold Alt and press F which is what Alt+F usually means or if I press Alt and let go and then press F. Actually, Alt+Down Arrow also does nothing.

For me it is pressing Alt by itself and letting go which brings up the menu, Jaws will say Customize and control Google Chrome.

If I press either up or down arrow at this point I get Settings, Help and Exit as the first three options, if I down arrow more I get to things like New Tab, New Window, New Incognito Window etc.

If I press up arrow after Alt I again get Settings, but then if I keep pressing up arrow it wraps around and I get the Paste which is the last option if I were to press down arrow.

 

As you said, Brian, if I press Alt and let go and then press left arrow it will take me into my list of installed extensions starting at the very right. That one is nice to know since usually I would go there by pressing F6 followed by Tab.

Pressing right arrow which I thought may take you to the extensions starting from the left side takes you to Reload this page, if I right arrow again I get View site information button menu secure and right again then goes into the address bar.

 

This is how it works on this laptop, I’ll try to remember to see if my desktops at work behave the same way.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 03:59 AM, paul lemm wrote:

I just tried the alt, f and then B

Well, I can get ALT+F to bring up the Chrome Menu just as ALT followed by Down Arrow (which I note, and have seen others note as "ALT, Down Arrow").  If you follow either by B it will bring up the Bookmarks submenu which can then be up/down arrow and/or first letter navigated.

Interestingly ALT, Up Arrow will "drop down" the Chrome Menu, too.  If you have extensions ALT, Left Arrow will start moving you through any visible controls on the right side of the Chrome control bar, starting with your Chrome login then followed after that by whatever extensions you have installed that have visible controls, then dealing with the address box and its controls.

Chrome is quite accessible, it's just a matter of figuring out it's eccentricities (pretty much like having to figure out any program's eccentricities).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: copy and paste between two placemarkers in virtual window

Van Lant, Robin
 

To add to this explanation, Once you hit the Insert Space, then M, that selects the text and you can then hit Control C to copy it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: copy and paste between two placemarkers in virtual window

 

You can do this easily. First, mark the top of the block with ctrl-windows-k. Go to the end of the block and type insert-space, m. 


On Oct 1, 2018, at 8:15 PM, pmbeardy@... wrote:

hello, can you do a copy text between two placemarkers?  within a virtual window. right now I do a ctrl+down arrow to select the text I want. some stuff is very very long to down arrow through. also copying links and other internet things is tedious. is there a copy between placeholders script?  

 



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Re: Making JAWS announce shortcut sequences

 

Everyone can ignore this reply.  I'm doing filter testing with Google and want to pass this through a pre-existing one.
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    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Making JAWS announce shortcut sequences

 

Mario,

              Thanks for the location specifics.  JAWS settings (any screen reader settings) are a real swamp, but they are so by necessity.  A screen reader has to be uber customizable.
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Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

Cristóbal
 

Google Chrome Version 69.0.3497.100 for me too.

The alt F thing works for me, but even then it’s just not as fluid to get to the bookmarks in Chrome as with Firefox. It may be a simple thing, but one of those things for a heavy bookmarks user like myself where it matters.

That said, and the Chrome bookmarks thing aside, does anyone know of a means to synchronize bookmarks between both browsers?

Perhaps any third party add-ons to handle bookmarks?

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

My version is Google Chrome Version 69.0.3497.100, same as yours Brian.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigating Favorites With Chrome

 

It could also matter what version of Chrome you're running as well.   I'm using version 69.0.3497.100 under Windows 10.
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    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Making JAWS announce shortcut sequences

Mario
 

it's in basic options (JAWS, options, basics).

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
Sent: Tuesday, Oct 2, 2018 11:04 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Making JAWS announce shortcut sequences

Thanks Ann.  I'll find that setting tomorrow and tweak it.
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Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need
for illusion is deep./

          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/