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Re: Amazon.com "Cart" page

 

Hope,

           Thanks for confirming that the navigation by graphic in the cart is an effective trick.  It's always good to hear that it works for at least two people, though I certainly didn't doubt the person who posted it, either.  I can understand entirely wanting to thoroughly review a cart before checkout.

           As to links in e-mails, like all other things, I am far from doctrinaire with regard to that.  If you know the source of the message, they're a person or entity you trust, and there's noting in the message otherwise that sets off your alarm bells then click/activate away.  That's why the facility is there:  convenience.  One need only be reasonably cautious, not paranoid.  In fact, I see an excess of caution through outright paranoia cause far more problems in life than being reasonably cautious to even just the slightest bit cavalier ever does.
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    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

jfw 2018 and functions keys

Jed Barton <jedbarton@...>
 

Hey guys,

OK, i have this new del laptop. So i have never used the keyboard on
the laptop until now. so i am runninginto kind of a major problem.
My function keys seem to be doing different things. For instance f1
seems to mute speech. When i hit f1, it mutes speech, and they aren't
behaving normally. Any idea what could be wrong? This is a del
laptop.

Thanks,
Jed

Re: Subscription

cecropia64
 

got you here cat.


On 7/31/2018 4:19 PM, Kat Taylor wrote:
Testing

Jaws and Chrome

Steve Sweeney
 

Hi All,

Since the last update, Chrome stopped working.  All I get is ‘blank.’  What do I have to do to fix this?

Thx -Steve

 

Re: ABSunset has stopped working

Chris
 

According to google its a virus

 

 

From: kevin meyers
Sent: 01 August 2018 18:47
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: ABSunset has stopped working

 

 

Hello, I got the message stating ABSunset has stopped working. Does anyone know what this app does?

 

Cheers,

 

 

Kevin Meyers

 

 

ABSunset has stopped working

kevin meyers
 

 

Hello, I got the message stating ABSunset has stopped working. Does anyone know what this app does?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin Meyers

 

Re: Subscription

Mario
 

hey Kat. welcome.
away.

-------- Original Message --------
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Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 4:19 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Subscription

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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Don H
 

We will never have the same access to computers that the sighted have. That will never change. Is it fair, no.

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Robert Wright <wrightsiphone@...>
 

I have gotten use to n longer hearing the shutdown sound. Its only purpose was to let us know that Windows had closed. It had noting to do with whether or not the pc itself had finished shutting down.

 

On the otherhand I wish the alt+I command to go to look in in notepad or word was still available. Oh well!

 

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                ***                       

 

From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 4:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

Um, can't see light.  Don't hear fan on laptop.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 7/31/2018 6:28 PM, Ashleigh Piccinino wrote:

 Normally, you should be able to hear the motor in your computer stop as it shuts down. Can you do this? If not, you should be able to see the light on your monitor go out. 

 

 

 

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Jaffar Sidek
 

And you are still using Microsoft Windows for all your complaints, right?

On 31/7/2018 11:18 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

MS doesn't give a rat's ass what the public thinks.  If it did, it would have replaced the much-despised ribbon menu structure with the more convenient and less cumbersome classic menu structure that most of its customers, sighted and blind alike,  prefer. On the contrary, MS seems to go out of its way to frustrate and tick off its customers just to prove that they can do anything they damn well please and get away with it.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Hi all,
I am a very infrequent poster on this list, but I needed to contribute on this one.
The lack of a shutdown sound does NOT indicate a lack of accessibility You could always use a light detector app to determine if the screen is off, or place your ear close to the computer to hear the different sounds stop. Systems change. That’s a fact. The Mac, for example, does not make the startup sound on the new machines. It’s sad, but it’s true. In an age where people want faster operating systems and less noise from machines, Microsoft has to go with what the public wants, not a niche market. If you really think that Microsoft or any other company is stepping back in terms of accessibility, I’d strongly encourage you to do a bit of research into current accessibility developments first.
Aleeha
On Jul 31, 2018, at 9:42 AM, David Ingram <dingram269@...> wrote:

hi list members, what version of jaws are being used currently? If the answers is jaws 2018 or jaws 17 then you should hear all system sounds. I'currently using jaws version 16.  This means that if you're using jaws 17 or 2018 with windows 10 version 1803 you should hear all system soundsI'm going to check to see whether windows 10 version 1803 does the same with firefox?


-----Original Message-----
From: cecropia64 <cecropia64@...>
Sent: Jul 31, 2018 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maybe.  But that's what these lists are for.  To ask questions and get
answers if there are any to be had.


On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10


Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound.
Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement".

Gerald



Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel.
there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no?




-------- Original Message --------
From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@...]
Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

yup, me too.  I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more".
But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue.  We shall see about that.


On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10.

Gerald



-----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound.

Pastor Gil

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM
To: JFW <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: shut down sound for windows 10

good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down?
Thanks to all in advance.














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Re: Amazon.com "Cart" page

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

Hi Brian, yeah it can be long if there are more than a few items. However, I'd rather go through everything before checkout and make sure I have all the right stuff in there etc. That's just me being extra thorough though, and paying attention, so I don't have to return something because I got 2 instead of just one or whatever. The navigating by graphics trick does seem to work, I just tested it.
    I don't use Edge for anything either, and I only tend to use IE if I'm listening to a long stream, (I have several of those I like to listen to.) Chrome is my default right now simply because it opens links in Thunderbird without asking me to refresh it every single time like Firefox does for some strange reason. Lol yeah I know that whole thing about clicking links in email, but there are just some you have to click.

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Jaffar Sidek
 

Free Will?  You have it.  You are free to use Linux or Mac or Dos or Android or some other OS.  You are not obliged to pay for and use Windows if you don't like it  You could pay more for a Mac, use some other free OS, and see how you get along.  No one is ever forced to use one OS or the other, now isn't that free will?


On 31/7/2018 9:56 PM, Jonas Voll wrote:

I do not like other people making Decisions for myself!

Free will, is what I want!

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility.

As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention.   The creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward accessibility.

Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful, even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut down or not.  Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown, as the fans are the last thing to shut down.

The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility.  Pick your battles.
 
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Re: Good and accessible rss client for Windows

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

You can sign up for it at https://feediary.com/ You can try it for free with 50 feeds. https://theoldreader.com is also good, but they limit the amount of feeds you can have, even if you pay for one of the premium plans.

Re: Severe JAWS stuttering

Don Mauck
 

Yes. I do however have a fast CPU with 16 GB of RAM.

-----Original Message-----
From: netbat66 <netbat66@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 6:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Severe JAWS stuttering

the problem is the voice synthisizer voices share the same on board computer c p u as all the other running programs. especially programs like that are continuely accessing the drive, like antivirus and malware bytes, listening to music or you tube etc.
the c p u will pause the sound card voice a few mili seconds so it can do something else. then turn the sound card back on and continue from where it left off.
you won't notice this if your c p u is fast enough.
you might be able to stop the stuttering if you use a dedicated sound card, not a u s b headphone. which still uses the c p u to process the sound.
they have there own sound processor to take the processing load off the computer c p u so it can do other chores

-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io ; 'JAWS Private Beta Group'
Subject: Re: Severe JAWS stuttering



I’m having the same issues on a Dell laptop with Windows 10 and Jaws 18.
Please let me know if you find out what the issue is …… Windows 10 or Jaws.



Laura







From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; JAWS Private Beta Group
<JAWSBETA@...>
Subject: Severe JAWS stuttering





Sorry for the cross post. I’ve not seen any one on either list state this as an
issue, however, there are two of us here that are having the same problem. The
JAWS stutter gets so bad that you can’t complete any task. The speech will get
so bad that you think that JAWS has just crashed. It also obviously affects
scanning messages, documents and even just reading items off of your desktop.

Both of us also have Lenovo laptops and I’m not ruling that out either. The
interesting thing is that I disconnected my Braille display and it has gotten
much better, however, that’s not the kind of fix I want. I’m really interested
in any feedback I can get to resolve this. We are moth using the latest
JaWS2018, but I’ve seen this happening for a while and just thought it was my
Laptop. We are using Windows10 and we both tried different versions of JAWS
going back to JAWS16 and till have this problem.

Re: Severe JAWS stuttering

Don Mauck
 

Unfortunately, mine was already set to ‘1’. So, still struggling.

 

From: Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Severe JAWS stuttering

 

That and you can do other things like disabling all the pretty animations and dstuff that take constant PC resources.

As someone else suggested though, it may also be worth it to get a separate sound card too.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 6:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Severe JAWS stuttering

 

Hi Laura,

 

I had a stuttering problem with Windows 10 & Jaws and below is how I fixed it.  I don't think this is your and the others' problem, but it'll only take a minute to check it out.


How I fixed it:

1. Go to the control panel, & press enter on, Ease of Access Center.

 

2. Tab to, Make the computer easier to see, link & press enter.

 

3. Tab to, Set the thickness of the blinking cursor combobox,  It was at 3, but I changed it to 1, & this solved the stuttering problem.

 

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 4:28 PM

Subject: Re: Severe JAWS stuttering

 

I don’t have a brail display ……

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 5:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; JAWS Private Beta Group <JAWSBETA@...>
Subject: Re: Severe JAWS stuttering

 

Do you have a Braille display? If so, try disconnecting it and run for a while. I’m keep track of this.

 

From: Laura Richardson <laurakr65@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 4:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; JAWS Private Beta Group <JAWSBETA@...>
Subject: Re: Severe JAWS stuttering

 

I’m having the same issues on a Dell laptop with Windows 10 and Jaws 18.  Please let me know if you find out what the issue is …… Windows 10 or Jaws.

 

Laura

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; JAWS Private Beta Group <JAWSBETA@...>
Subject: Severe JAWS stuttering

 

Sorry for the cross post. I’ve not seen any one on either list state this as an issue, however, there are two of us here that are having the same problem. The JAWS stutter gets so bad that you can’t complete any task. The speech will get so bad that you think that JAWS has just crashed. It also obviously affects scanning messages, documents and even just reading items off of your desktop.

Both of us also have Lenovo laptops and I’m not ruling that out either. The interesting thing is that I disconnected my Braille display and it has gotten much better, however, that’s not the kind of fix I want. I’m really interested in any feedback I can get to resolve this. We are moth using the latest JaWS2018, but I’ve seen this happening for a while and just thought it was my Laptop. We are using Windows10 and we both tried different versions of JAWS going back to JAWS16 and till have this problem.

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Bill White
 

Well, I have the same problem as you, Maria, when it comes to the fan. And to make matters worse, Mine is a solid state drive, so no vibration either. People seem to forget that speech can shut down without the laptop shutting down. Also, if you try to force a shutdown when Windows is updating and speech is gone, you risk having to reinstall windows.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

Not to be difficult here, but my new Lenovo laptop has the heat vent on the bottom, and I can feel the heat on the bottom when lifting it, but no air flow.  Also, I almost think I feel the vibration of the drive, but wouldn't want to stake my life on it.  I hear no fan.  However, if I listen very carefully, I can hear a bit of a click as my external speaker turns off when the laptop shuts down.  That's what separates us from the monkeys--finding work arounds.

 

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 8/1/2018 12:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Back to laptops.  It will be the rarest of individuals who cannot feel whether the stream of very warm to hot air that ceaselessly issues from the heat sink vent on a laptop has stopped.  If it's on, even at idle, you will feel heat from this vent.  A CPU/APU is never anywhere near to room temperature when running and the fan is always on, even if at low speed.

The most reliable way to tell if a laptop is actually off is to check with your fingertips or palm placed just beside this vent exit.  If you don't feel anything the probability that the machine is off is as close to 100% as it's possible to get.

Most desktops are "noisy" enough that you can tell by listening if their fans are off.  They also have such large airflow and multiple vent points that the temperature differential of air coming out doesn't feel that much different than ambient air temperature indoors.  Laptops virtually always "feel hot" because of the confined spaces involved and the small fans involved, too.
--

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    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maria Campbell
 

Not to be difficult here, but my new Lenovo laptop has the heat vent on the bottom, and I can feel the heat on the bottom when lifting it, but no air flow.  Also, I almost think I feel the vibration of the drive, but wouldn't want to stake my life on it.  I hear no fan.  However, if I listen very carefully, I can hear a bit of a click as my external speaker turns off when the laptop shuts down.  That's what separates us from the monkeys--finding work arounds.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 8/1/2018 12:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Back to laptops.  It will be the rarest of individuals who cannot feel whether the stream of very warm to hot air that ceaselessly issues from the heat sink vent on a laptop has stopped.  If it's on, even at idle, you will feel heat from this vent.  A CPU/APU is never anywhere near to room temperature when running and the fan is always on, even if at low speed.

The most reliable way to tell if a laptop is actually off is to check with your fingertips or palm placed just beside this vent exit.  If you don't feel anything the probability that the machine is off is as close to 100% as it's possible to get.

Most desktops are "noisy" enough that you can tell by listening if their fans are off.  They also have such large airflow and multiple vent points that the temperature differential of air coming out doesn't feel that much different than ambient air temperature indoors.  Laptops virtually always "feel hot" because of the confined spaces involved and the small fans involved, too.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Slicers in Microsoft Excel.

Van Lant, Robin
 

I did a class once where they showed us slicers, but I have never had to use them.  This is probably a good instance for calling the Microsoft Accessibility hotline.   Same for the buttons.  I have seen when people create a macro in Excel and they can make a button to invoke the macros appear anywhere on the worksheet they want. I cannot imagine how to access that with speech, but you may be able to activate it by the regular macros menus, which is on the developer ribbon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Slicers in Microsoft Excel.

 

Hi,

 

This is my first message here.

 

A friend has the problem of not being able to access what are called slicers, sometimes used in pivot tables, in Microsoft Excel. He writes:

 

Hi all,
 
Google has got me nowhere on this, so hoping some excel expert here can help

 
We have a lot of reports and dashboards built in excel at work. For filtering results, many of them use these visual sort of buttons called slicers.
Does anyone know if there is a way of accessing these slicers with a screen reader?
 
In addition, some have refresh buttons inside floating objects? Can I access those with screen readers?
 
Thanks,
Dave



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Re: shut down sound for windows 10

Maria Campbell
 

I am amazed at the fact that the partially sighted on the list are so out of it so as to completely forget about the totally blind and how they have to deal with accessibility or the lack of it.



Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 8/1/2018 11:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Ashleigh,

 

First of all, you must be partially sighted, but is it so hard to imagine all of us fully blind users who simply have no way to see any lights go out or not go out?

Also, if you use a desktop the monitor might go black, but any LED lights remain on since the monitor has it’s own power. I assume you would see the monitor going black, but once again a completely blind person of course will not.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ashleigh Piccinino
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10

 

 Normally, you should be able to hear the motor in your computer stop as it shuts down. Can you do this? If not, you should be able to see the light on your monitor go out.