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Re: Hot Keys

Chris
 

Have you tried going to the favorites folder in

C;\users\profile name\favorites

In there you will see all your internet explorer bookmarks

Select the one you want to modify

Right click or use applications key and select properties

Then modify the shortcut field to your preferred hotkeys

Then apply and ok

 

That worked for me

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 20:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

Yes

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

Is that  a web site book share?

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 19:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

I wasn’t using it to do two programs. I set it up to do both in sequence: go to IE and then launch Bookshare.

Learned it from one of Cathy Ann’s books.

Worked great on old machine;

Not so great on the new one.

Both win 10.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

You cant use the same hotkey for two different programs

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 11:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hot Keys

 

Would any of this have to do with the fact that when I create a hot key that opens IE and then Bookshare, the hot key discontinues working? This did not happen on my old win 10 machine, but only on the newer laptop.

On the laptop, it only works once. If I go back in and retype the hot key letters (which are already in that field), it works again, but again only once.

Also are hot keys Jaws or Windows related?

Sharon

 

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 

 

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Jeremy,

 

Brian didn’t even mention you in his post, he simply stated his views regarding fast startup as you stated yours. Why you feel insulted by this I don’t know, you sound almost like Donald Trump whose childish ways often cause him to feel personally insulted simply because somebody else didn’t share his views.

As far as waking up one’s laptop by lifting the lid as you mentioned, that means the laptop was in sleep mode which has absolutely nothing to do with fast startup.

Anyways, enough said, I really don’t think there is any reason to feel insulted, as you said, we can all do what we want with our PC’s and what is more we can all express our opinions and share our experiences. I started using computers in 1989 and in those 29 years of first using them while I was in University which included a bit of programming and other IT related courses and later using them every single day for personal use as well as to run my business I think I’m somewhat experienced. Having said this Brian’s posts indicate to me that he also has a great deal of experience and while I may not agree with everything he says I respect his views as I respect yours. But ultimately we have to agree to disagree when it comes to fast startup, just as Brian and many others I recommend turning it off, if it works great for you and you leave it on then that’s fantastic and you can share your experience, those who ask for advice then can weigh the advice they get and decide what they want to do. Of course I never did hear you say whether you actually shut down your computer or simply close the lid to put it into sleep mode and once again, this does make a difference when it comes to fast startup since fast startup doesn’t even come into play if you put your computer in sleep mode. From previous statements you made regarding not having to reboot your computer for weeks and simply lifting the lid and it’s up and running in 2 seconds I would say you put it into sleep mode rather than going to Power > Shutdown or pressing Alt+F4 from the desktop and choosing Shutdown.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 12:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Well, you might want to be careful of whom you’re insulting as I might have solutions you may need in the future. We all bring some sort of knowledge to these lists, so rather than putting walls between ourselves, we would all grow if we could build our collective pool of knowledge.

 

Regarding the link to the article you posted, those are some really weak reasons why someone would disable such a useful feature. It takes up space? C’mon, with the size of SSDs nowadays, most people probably have more kitten videos or MP3 files on their hard drives than the space taken up by fast startup.

 

I mean, ultimately, one’s computer is one’s computer, and he or she can do whatever he or she wants with their machine. On the other hand, if productivity is the goal, nothing can beat coming up with an idea, quickly lifting a laptop lid or pressing the power button on a Windows tablet, working through that thought, then moving on. With Fast Startup disabled, having to wait for one’s computer to fully power up and the difficulties that may bring on because at times Windows installs updates and alike, that can interfere with the creative process.

 

Ultimately, we all have the freedom to decide how to use our computers. J My goal is to convey useful information rather than hanging on to old fears from previous versions of Windows.

 

JR

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

Now it sounds like you’re a bit of a fanboy of this horrible technology.

 

Now take a look at this article:-

 

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup

 

In particular, the heading labelled why you might want to disable it.

 

It takes up space on your hard drive.  For some it doesn’t truly shut down the processor, even reports of fans spinning after shutting down.

 

Just accept that this may cause problems, and get on with life, enjoying fast startup as I know you do.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Ok, fair enough, one guy using the less than stellar Windows 8 (Sample size is n = 1), not to mention it was operating system corruption causing the problem and not fast boot. Still not really much of a sample from millions and millions of Windows 10 users whom don’t have these problems.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 6:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 09:13 AM, Jeremy wrote:

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused?

Taken directly from a client report written in November 2015, regarding a Windows 8 machine that was using Fast Startup and where the hibernation file used for same had become corrupted:
-----------

Caps Lock key was perpetually locked, backspace key did not work, up arrow and down arrow keys would not work.  He had already done a full system shutdown and restart and this did not clear the problems.  He acquired another portable wireless keyboard and mouse and the same behaviors were exhibited when these were in use, so the issue definitely was with the computer.   Windows 8 uses a form of shutdown known as a hybrid shutdown by default, where certain state information is written to a file at shutdown an read back in again upon restart.  I disabled this feature such that a shutdown completely powers down the laptop and retains no information regarding the prior session upon reboot.  This cleared all of the keyboard issues for the laptop and external keyboards upon rebooting.

-----------

I had never encountered anything like this before, and it was sheer luck that I eventually hit upon Fast Startup as the root cause.  The kinds of things that can go wrong if there is a corruption in the OS system state are myriad, and if that state is written out to a hibernation file and reloaded, you just carry it along.  Of course, one could do a forced Restart and that should clear it, but that's counterintuitive to those of us who have been taught for decades that using Shut Down was the definitive way to power the computer off and have Windows reload from scratch when powered up again.

If one wants to use Fast Startup then have at it.  Just realize that if you start to have inexplicable weirdness going on that doing a forced Restart, which does make Windows reload from the disc from scratch, is the first thing you should do.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Publicly calling me a jerk when I’ve done nothing to personally attack you should not be acceptable in a public forum.

 

Thank you all for your time, but I think I need to go now.

 

JR

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 1:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 03:47 PM, Jeremy wrote:

A single incident should not be enough experience to base such strong beliefs on

When combined with over 30 years experience with Windows, it certainly was.  Reports since have borne out my reluctance to keep Fast Startup on.

You're being a complete jerk, but you know that already.  If the opinion doesn't match yours, then it's just not worthy.  Sorry, buster, but no.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 03:47 PM, Jeremy wrote:
A single incident should not be enough experience to base such strong beliefs on
When combined with over 30 years experience with Windows, it certainly was.  Reports since have borne out my reluctance to keep Fast Startup on.

You're being a complete jerk, but you know that already.  If the opinion doesn't match yours, then it's just not worthy.  Sorry, buster, but no.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

Re: Hot Keys

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Hi Sharon,

 

Forgot to mention…

 

If you really want to test if there is something else going on, you can save the working shortcut to Bookshare to a thumb drive then save that shortcut to your other Windows 10 computer. Now press enter on the shortcut, and Bookshare should open.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

Hi Sharon,

 

Please locate that shortcut, which I’m assuming is likely on your desktop.

 

Press Alt+Enter to show the properties for that shortcut.

 

Please copy the path to the shortcut and paste it in your reply. I just want to review the syntax of the path to insure it is correct. J 

 

If you’d rather not copy and send the path, try this path in your shortcut and make sure it is all in the same shortcut edit feel as the following may break into two lines when I send it:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe" https://www.bookshare.org/cms/

 

JR

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

I wasn’t using it to do two programs. I set it up to do both in sequence: go to IE and then launch Bookshare.

Learned it from one of Cathy Ann’s books.

Worked great on old machine;

Not so great on the new one.

Both win 10.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

You cant use the same hotkey for two different programs

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 11:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hot Keys

 

Would any of this have to do with the fact that when I create a hot key that opens IE and then Bookshare, the hot key discontinues working? This did not happen on my old win 10 machine, but only on the newer laptop.

On the laptop, it only works once. If I go back in and retype the hot key letters (which are already in that field), it works again, but again only once.

Also are hot keys Jaws or Windows related?

Sharon

 

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

Re: Hot Keys

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Hi Sharon,

 

Please locate that shortcut, which I’m assuming is likely on your desktop.

 

Press Alt+Enter to show the properties for that shortcut.

 

Please copy the path to the shortcut and paste it in your reply. I just want to review the syntax of the path to insure it is correct. J 

 

If you’d rather not copy and send the path, try this path in your shortcut and make sure it is all in the same shortcut edit feel as the following may break into two lines when I send it:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe" https://www.bookshare.org/cms/

 

JR

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

I wasn’t using it to do two programs. I set it up to do both in sequence: go to IE and then launch Bookshare.

Learned it from one of Cathy Ann’s books.

Worked great on old machine;

Not so great on the new one.

Both win 10.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

You cant use the same hotkey for two different programs

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 11:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hot Keys

 

Would any of this have to do with the fact that when I create a hot key that opens IE and then Bookshare, the hot key discontinues working? This did not happen on my old win 10 machine, but only on the newer laptop.

On the laptop, it only works once. If I go back in and retype the hot key letters (which are already in that field), it works again, but again only once.

Also are hot keys Jaws or Windows related?

Sharon

 

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

A single incident should not be enough experience to base such strong beliefs on. Also, it was a very different operating system—it was the less than stellar Win8 not the current very stable Windows 10.

 

With fast startup turned on, the increase in startup speed is significant in both a spinning hard drive and an SSD.

 

Again, you’re losing me in regards to your argument, here’s what you just stated:

“            The increase in startup speed is negligible with a HDD and pretty much invisible if you're using an SSD with Fast Startup enabled.”

   

Isn’t this whole discussion over the differences in speed using the Windows 10 Fast startup verses the windows 95 shut down/restart routine?

 

Thank you all for the great discussion, but in this thread, I don’t think building a pool of unbiased knowledge is the goal.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 12:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Steve,

            You and I are on the same page with regard to Fast Startup.  The incident I encountered in 2015 under Windows 8 was enough to make me say, "never again."

            The increase in startup speed is negligible with a HDD and pretty much invisible if you're using an SSD with Fast Startup enabled.   I would rather know that when I shut down my system it is shut down and will reload afresh when powered on again.   Others feel differently, but it is important that they be aware of the potential issues and if they choose to use Fast Startup to know that using Restart will force the machine to shut down entirely and load Windows afresh from the drive.

             I've seen plenty of other instances where simply turning off Fast Startup has cured an ongoing issue where the user never did a Restart.  That also tells me that it's just not worth it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

My respects, but one cannot use such generalizations when conveying information which should be helping a large group of people such as those on this list.

 

You have not used all computers with screen readers in existence, so you cannot and should not be generalizing as you’ve been doing if you want people to take you seriously.

 

You should also work on how you present your arguments because they are a reflection of the way you think. For example, here’s what you posted:

“…just because you like it, doesn’t mean there are not problems with it.”

You’re aware that your odd reasoning applies to you, right?

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi,

 

I maintain computers for customers every day pretty much, and I see it with all screen readers.  Just accept it, just because you like it, doesn’t mean there are not problems with it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 26 August 2018 19:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I think it more accurate to state all screen readers on “your” computer end up unstable. Unless you have a large sample by which you’ve conducted extensive scientific research, your claim will be one you will struggle to support. “All” is not a word which should be thrown around casually when using computers. Like I said, I love the various power options on my Windows machines as they make computing life more convenient for me.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi,

 

The issue for me is that all screen readers simply become unstable, when woken up in this way.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Allen,

 

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused? The issue I’m most aware of is that some are bent on hearing the Windows start up sound and would gladly sacrifice performance and convenience just to hear that little wav file. J

 

Thanks,

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Again, my experience has been different. Maybe I’ll try again but up until now I’ve seen on lists far more issues/problems than enhancements.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Let’s not start with the fear mongering just to build support for one’s personal opinions. This feature is not “dangerous” as you’ve conveyed in your message below.

 

The very same issue of file corruption might happen if someone places his/her computer in sleep mode. To safeguard against such contingencies, its easy enough to simply close applications before putting computer to sleep or shutting down. This is one of the reasons the Windows 10 operating system has the File History feature.

 

The norm for all operating systems is for file corruption not to happen, so under most conditions, given that there aren’t other forms of program file corruption or hardware damage, all should work as advertised in terms of protecting one’s work. With that said, to reach the highest level of file integrity, simply save your work before shutting down your machine or putting it to sleep for an extended period of time. Again, I’ve never had such issues on any of my computers going back to Windows XP.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Brian,

 

Corruption not only in the hibernation files, but any files that are stored into memory.  I have seen Word documents corrupted by using fast startup.  Consider if you leave Word open with a document loaded, you shut down, and the hibernation files get corrupted?  Then you ain’t getting your Word file back.  To me, it’s positively dangerous this feature.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 24 August 2018 15:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Jeremy,

          You asked for an example, I gave you an example.  Spend approximately 30 seconds on a web search on "Windows 10 Fast Startup Problems" and the results you'll get and you'll realize this is far from an isolated incident.   And, by the way, Fast Startup is implemented the same in both OSes and, as I said before, the issues can come from something causing corruption in the hibernation file, and that does happen.  It's no different than the myriad problems that can creep in to web browsers via cache corruption that "magically disappear" if one simply purges cache.  The hibernation file is "OS Cache," and it can get screwed up completely independently of an OS that's perfectly fine.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: Hot Keys

Sharon
 

Yes

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

Is that  a web site book share?

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 19:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

I wasn’t using it to do two programs. I set it up to do both in sequence: go to IE and then launch Bookshare.

Learned it from one of Cathy Ann’s books.

Worked great on old machine;

Not so great on the new one.

Both win 10.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

You cant use the same hotkey for two different programs

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 11:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hot Keys

 

Would any of this have to do with the fact that when I create a hot key that opens IE and then Bookshare, the hot key discontinues working? This did not happen on my old win 10 machine, but only on the newer laptop.

On the laptop, it only works once. If I go back in and retype the hot key letters (which are already in that field), it works again, but again only once.

Also are hot keys Jaws or Windows related?

Sharon

 

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Well, you might want to be careful of whom you’re insulting as I might have solutions you may need in the future. We all bring some sort of knowledge to these lists, so rather than putting walls between ourselves, we would all grow if we could build our collective pool of knowledge.

 

Regarding the link to the article you posted, those are some really weak reasons why someone would disable such a useful feature. It takes up space? C’mon, with the size of SSDs nowadays, most people probably have more kitten videos or MP3 files on their hard drives than the space taken up by fast startup.

 

I mean, ultimately, one’s computer is one’s computer, and he or she can do whatever he or she wants with their machine. On the other hand, if productivity is the goal, nothing can beat coming up with an idea, quickly lifting a laptop lid or pressing the power button on a Windows tablet, working through that thought, then moving on. With Fast Startup disabled, having to wait for one’s computer to fully power up and the difficulties that may bring on because at times Windows installs updates and alike, that can interfere with the creative process.

 

Ultimately, we all have the freedom to decide how to use our computers. J My goal is to convey useful information rather than hanging on to old fears from previous versions of Windows.

 

JR

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

Now it sounds like you’re a bit of a fanboy of this horrible technology.

 

Now take a look at this article:-

 

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup

 

In particular, the heading labelled why you might want to disable it.

 

It takes up space on your hard drive.  For some it doesn’t truly shut down the processor, even reports of fans spinning after shutting down.

 

Just accept that this may cause problems, and get on with life, enjoying fast startup as I know you do.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Ok, fair enough, one guy using the less than stellar Windows 8 (Sample size is n = 1), not to mention it was operating system corruption causing the problem and not fast boot. Still not really much of a sample from millions and millions of Windows 10 users whom don’t have these problems.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 6:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 09:13 AM, Jeremy wrote:

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused?

Taken directly from a client report written in November 2015, regarding a Windows 8 machine that was using Fast Startup and where the hibernation file used for same had become corrupted:
-----------

Caps Lock key was perpetually locked, backspace key did not work, up arrow and down arrow keys would not work.  He had already done a full system shutdown and restart and this did not clear the problems.  He acquired another portable wireless keyboard and mouse and the same behaviors were exhibited when these were in use, so the issue definitely was with the computer.   Windows 8 uses a form of shutdown known as a hybrid shutdown by default, where certain state information is written to a file at shutdown an read back in again upon restart.  I disabled this feature such that a shutdown completely powers down the laptop and retains no information regarding the prior session upon reboot.  This cleared all of the keyboard issues for the laptop and external keyboards upon rebooting.

-----------

I had never encountered anything like this before, and it was sheer luck that I eventually hit upon Fast Startup as the root cause.  The kinds of things that can go wrong if there is a corruption in the OS system state are myriad, and if that state is written out to a hibernation file and reloaded, you just carry it along.  Of course, one could do a forced Restart and that should clear it, but that's counterintuitive to those of us who have been taught for decades that using Shut Down was the definitive way to power the computer off and have Windows reload from scratch when powered up again.

If one wants to use Fast Startup then have at it.  Just realize that if you start to have inexplicable weirdness going on that doing a forced Restart, which does make Windows reload from the disc from scratch, is the first thing you should do.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Steve,

            You and I are on the same page with regard to Fast Startup.  The incident I encountered in 2015 under Windows 8 was enough to make me say, "never again."

            The increase in startup speed is negligible with a HDD and pretty much invisible if you're using an SSD with Fast Startup enabled.   I would rather know that when I shut down my system it is shut down and will reload afresh when powered on again.   Others feel differently, but it is important that they be aware of the potential issues and if they choose to use Fast Startup to know that using Restart will force the machine to shut down entirely and load Windows afresh from the drive.

             I've seen plenty of other instances where simply turning off Fast Startup has cured an ongoing issue where the user never did a Restart.  That also tells me that it's just not worth it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I maintain computers for customers every day pretty much, and I see it with all screen readers.  Just accept it, just because you like it, doesn’t mean there are not problems with it.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 26 August 2018 19:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I think it more accurate to state all screen readers on “your” computer end up unstable. Unless you have a large sample by which you’ve conducted extensive scientific research, your claim will be one you will struggle to support. “All” is not a word which should be thrown around casually when using computers. Like I said, I love the various power options on my Windows machines as they make computing life more convenient for me.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi,

 

The issue for me is that all screen readers simply become unstable, when woken up in this way.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Allen,

 

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused? The issue I’m most aware of is that some are bent on hearing the Windows start up sound and would gladly sacrifice performance and convenience just to hear that little wav file. J

 

Thanks,

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Again, my experience has been different. Maybe I’ll try again but up until now I’ve seen on lists far more issues/problems than enhancements.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

I think it more accurate to state all screen readers on “your” computer end up unstable. Unless you have a large sample by which you’ve conducted extensive scientific research, your claim will be one you will struggle to support. “All” is not a word which should be thrown around casually when using computers. Like I said, I love the various power options on my Windows machines as they make computing life more convenient for me.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi,

 

The issue for me is that all screen readers simply become unstable, when woken up in this way.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Allen,

 

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused? The issue I’m most aware of is that some are bent on hearing the Windows start up sound and would gladly sacrifice performance and convenience just to hear that little wav file. J

 

Thanks,

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Again, my experience has been different. Maybe I’ll try again but up until now I’ve seen on lists far more issues/problems than enhancements.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: Hot Keys

Chris
 

Is that  a web site book share?

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 19:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

I wasn’t using it to do two programs. I set it up to do both in sequence: go to IE and then launch Bookshare.

Learned it from one of Cathy Ann’s books.

Worked great on old machine;

Not so great on the new one.

Both win 10.

Sharon

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Hot Keys

 

You cant use the same hotkey for two different programs

 

 

From: Sharon
Sent: 26 August 2018 11:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hot Keys

 

Would any of this have to do with the fact that when I create a hot key that opens IE and then Bookshare, the hot key discontinues working? This did not happen on my old win 10 machine, but only on the newer laptop.

On the laptop, it only works once. If I go back in and retype the hot key letters (which are already in that field), it works again, but again only once.

Also are hot keys Jaws or Windows related?

Sharon

 

Sharon

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

 

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 09:36 PM, Jeremy wrote:

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with," something else.

And, you can't.  You can't for a URL shortcut, either.

If you want a URL shortcut to open with a dedicated browser you have to engineer it.

I have no time for arguing with someone who wishes to pick nits when I've given a rule that applies 100% of the time with regard to URL shortcuts that are created via "the usual methods" and are not custom tweaked afterward.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

Corruption not only in the hibernation files, but any files that are stored into memory.  I have seen Word documents corrupted by using fast startup.  Consider if you leave Word open with a document loaded, you shut down, and the hibernation files get corrupted?  Then you ain’t getting your Word file back.  To me, it’s positively dangerous this feature.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 24 August 2018 15:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Jeremy,

          You asked for an example, I gave you an example.  Spend approximately 30 seconds on a web search on "Windows 10 Fast Startup Problems" and the results you'll get and you'll realize this is far from an isolated incident.   And, by the way, Fast Startup is implemented the same in both OSes and, as I said before, the issues can come from something causing corruption in the hibernation file, and that does happen.  It's no different than the myriad problems that can creep in to web browsers via cache corruption that "magically disappear" if one simply purges cache.  The hibernation file is "OS Cache," and it can get screwed up completely independently of an OS that's perfectly fine.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jeremy,

 

Now it sounds like you’re a bit of a fanboy of this horrible technology.

 

Now take a look at this article:-

 

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup

 

In particular, the heading labelled why you might want to disable it.

 

It takes up space on your hard drive.  For some it doesn’t truly shut down the processor, even reports of fans spinning after shutting down.

 

Just accept that this may cause problems, and get on with life, enjoying fast startup as I know you do.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Ok, fair enough, one guy using the less than stellar Windows 8 (Sample size is n = 1), not to mention it was operating system corruption causing the problem and not fast boot. Still not really much of a sample from millions and millions of Windows 10 users whom don’t have these problems.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 6:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 09:13 AM, Jeremy wrote:

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused?

Taken directly from a client report written in November 2015, regarding a Windows 8 machine that was using Fast Startup and where the hibernation file used for same had become corrupted:
-----------

Caps Lock key was perpetually locked, backspace key did not work, up arrow and down arrow keys would not work.  He had already done a full system shutdown and restart and this did not clear the problems.  He acquired another portable wireless keyboard and mouse and the same behaviors were exhibited when these were in use, so the issue definitely was with the computer.   Windows 8 uses a form of shutdown known as a hybrid shutdown by default, where certain state information is written to a file at shutdown an read back in again upon restart.  I disabled this feature such that a shutdown completely powers down the laptop and retains no information regarding the prior session upon reboot.  This cleared all of the keyboard issues for the laptop and external keyboards upon rebooting.

-----------

I had never encountered anything like this before, and it was sheer luck that I eventually hit upon Fast Startup as the root cause.  The kinds of things that can go wrong if there is a corruption in the OS system state are myriad, and if that state is written out to a hibernation file and reloaded, you just carry it along.  Of course, one could do a forced Restart and that should clear it, but that's counterintuitive to those of us who have been taught for decades that using Shut Down was the definitive way to power the computer off and have Windows reload from scratch when powered up again.

If one wants to use Fast Startup then have at it.  Just realize that if you start to have inexplicable weirdness going on that doing a forced Restart, which does make Windows reload from the disc from scratch, is the first thing you should do.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

The issue for me is that all screen readers simply become unstable, when woken up in this way.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 14:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Hi Allen,

 

Out of curiosity, what issues has this fast boot caused? The issue I’m most aware of is that some are bent on hearing the Windows start up sound and would gladly sacrifice performance and convenience just to hear that little wav file. J

 

Thanks,

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Again, my experience has been different. Maybe I’ll try again but up until now I’ve seen on lists far more issues/problems than enhancements.

 

Al

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill

Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...>
 

Because many requests for information end up long and likely end in confusion, regarding creating a desktop shortcut for a webpage to be launched with a browser which is not the default browser...

Make sure the path to the browser is placed in quotes before the URL of the website as in:
{"C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe" https://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS{

JR

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

"... the entire URL must be put
in quotes or else the shortcut won’t work"

JR, I find it to be not true. when I do it, the path to the executable, surrounded by quotes, a space, and followed by the address without quotes because there are no spaces in the address.

if the quotes are necessary for the address, please explain why.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jeremy [mailto:jeremy.richards7@...]
Sent: Saturday, Aug 25, 2018 8:49 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser

Hi Mike,



Funny. I agree on the billing point. :) Regarding creating shortcuts to webpages using a browser other than the default browser, it can be done as I previously stated, just remember that you must add the path to the browser’s executable first, then add the URL second. Also know that the entire URL must be put in quotes or else the shortcut won’t work.



JR



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser



I know, it sucks,

They should have had the foresight to do those the same way they did files;

Typical short sightedness by software developers;

Bet they don’t screw up the billing though;

That always works like its supposed too;





Mike mcglashon

Email: <mailto:Michael.mcglashon@...> Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Creating Webpage Desktop Shortcuts for Any Web Browser



That's not how desktop shortcuts, except those to files, have ever worked.

You can't right click on the shortcut to a program and say, "Open with,"
something else.

I have never heard of anyone, prior to now, wanting web URLs to open
with anything other than the web browser of their choosing. If they
want to use another one then they can open the shortcut itself, copy the
URL, open the other web browser wanted at the moment, and paste it in.

Web desktop shortcuts have always opened with the default web browser
from day one.

Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I have seen it fowl up more than once, so I’ll keep it off thank you.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: 24 August 2018 13:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

I have a bit of a high-end computer, and I definitely notice a difference when Fast boot is on or off. I can come in and out of shutdown in about as  long as it takes me to lift the lid on my laptop with fast boot on as opposed to about 35 seconds with fast boot off. This feature is also very reliable and stable--I can go for weeks without a restart. I don’t think Microsoft would have spent so much in R&D for this feature to not notice a difference in boot time.  

 

JR

  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Robbins via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 3:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Agreed, if using a traditional mechanical drive. However, if one is using the new solid-state drive the increased time saved is not worth any possible inconvenience. I keep this turned off and all my solid-state drive computers and see virtually no difference in time whether it is enabled or not.


On Aug 24, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richards7@...> wrote:

I disagree. Fast Startup is a very useful time-saving feature of Windows. I use it on all my computers, and I’ve never experienced corruption.

 

JR

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

Just turn off fast startup, it’s a pain anyway.  Often your on-disk to memory transfer gets corrupted.  It causes more grief than it helps, in my experience.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 22 August 2018 15:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

 

While this is not directly JAWS related, the issue of lack of a "coming back from being shut down when using Fast Startup" sound, as well as the lack of the good, old-fashioned shutdown sound, under Windows 10 comes up repeatedly on virtually every screen reader related group I'm participating in.  

I have just created feedback related to both, and here's the click-through link to the Windows 10 Feedback Hub for it (which, of course, only works for Windows 10 users):

               "Fast Startup" sound akin to Startup Sound, could we get one?

If this is an accessibility issue for you, please review this feedback and upvote it so that it will garner more attention.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

          ~ Dorothy Nevill